• TheRealKuni@piefed.social
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    Why do you think Argentina decided to try to take the islands? It’s not like they were historically Argentine, right?

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      It has something to do with some popular Argentinian cowboy that was governor of the Falklands for a while a long time ago

      What the people that actually live in the Falklands want is obviously ignored by the “historical sentiment is more important than what living people want” crowd.

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      Navy seal copypasta style

      What the fuck did you just fucking say about Argentina’s claim to the Falklands, you little shit? I’ll have you know sovereignty passed from Spain to Argentina at independence in 1816 under uti possidetis juris, and Argentina formally claimed the islands in 1820, followed by confirmation and effective occupation from 1826 to 1833. You are nothing to me but another loudmouth denying that history. I will wipe out your arguments with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can toss around “self-determination” like it overrides territorial integrity? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am lining up decades of Argentine protests — 1833, 1841, 1849, 1884, 1888, 1908, 1927, 1933, 1946 and every UN complaint thereafter — and your weak rebuttals are being traced and exposed, so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that buries the myth that British de facto rule since 1833 was anything but an illegal act of force. You’re intellectually dead, kid. I can be anywhere in the argument, anytime, and I can dismantle your “transplanted population” claim in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just by citing principle: the islanders are a transplanted population of British character and nationality, not a separate people under external self-determination doctrine, and thus that doctrine does not apply here. Not only am I extensively trained in international law rhetoric, but I have access to the entire arsenal of historical facts — uti possidetis, effective occupation, the continental-shelf argument from the 1958 Convention — and I will use them to their full extent to wipe your miserable case off the face of the debate, you little bitch. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” dismissal of Argentina’s legal and historical claims was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over your shaky precedent and you will drown in it. You’re fucking argued out, kiddo.

      Jokes aside, Argentina has had a claim on it for ages and we’re slowly gaining influence for a long time until they decided to invade and actually take it. They though the Brits wouldn’t care about a rock on the other side of the world but turns out Thatcher needed a win and got everyone riled up.

      Nobody cared until Argentina invaded but now majority of the population is British military and British workers that support the military and whatnot. It was won with British blood that’s still in living memory so no way people are giving it up to Argentina.

      If Argentina would have just slowly settled the island, support it, have the government do a referendum about unifying with Argentina it would have probably worked but instead they just have the claim.

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        Ironically I think the British could have been persuaded to hand it over to Argentina at some point. Kinda like with Hong Kong (although part of that was under a 99 year lease, but notably that wasn’t the whole territory either. Also I think the British could have just told them they weren’t the Qing dynasty if they really wanted to keep it)

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          Q I mean it was literally what was happening. The military dictatorship acted like a bunch of fucking idiots and fucked it up completely.

          The Falklands are British. 1) Argentina lost them in the most recent war 2) The people living there and want to be British because at the moment, Argentina sucks.

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            One of the funniest things about the referendum is that the 3 who voted against British rule didn’t necessarily want Argentinian rule- they could have wanted independence.