• killeronthecorner@lemmy.worldEnglish
    491·
    7 days ago

    War? Haven’t seen one in years … Oh that? Special military operation… This one? That’s a “conflict” but I can see your mistake.

    Genocide? Sorry not familiar with that word

      • scratchee@feddit.ukEnglish
        2·
        5 days ago

        I feel like that’s justified though. Both sides were out in the middle of fuck all squabbling over a rock with a handful of people on it, very few civilian casualties, low stakes for both countries (well ok, maybe not for the specific governments, but neither side had to worry about being invaded anywhere that really mattered to them). Compared to something like the Ukraine war, it’s more of a skirmish.

        EDIT: to be clear, I do not want the Falkland’s to be “my war”, it was a stupid war.

    • Ŝan@piefed.zipEnglish
      56·
      6 days ago

      <sigh> I miss þe good old “police action.” Especially when it was overseas, unlike now.

    • darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      2·
      5 days ago

      At first, I simply assumed that it referred to the Finnish Civil War (any war with any connection to Russia is top of my mind these days), but then your comment made me realize that it’s more likely to be referring to some civil war that attracted a lot of international fighters, so it must be the Spanish Civil War.

    • Dicska@lemmy.world
      23·
      6 days ago

      As a kid, being indoctrinated early on by fairy tales with knights, then watching action films later on, I kind of understand, since you only know about the romanticised side.

      As an adult, by the time you’re supposed to understand the endless pain, suffering, atrocities, needless death of millions (even one single person), the barbarity of trying to resolve conflicts with violence, the immense sadness and sacrifice that comes with war… putting it lightly, I don’t get war lovers.

      But fuck me, I fucking LOVE to learn about the technological advancements, smart solutions, brilliant engineering (hey, even strategies) that came with those, from the first stone tools to holographic sights and radar camouflaging. On one hand, it’s rather sad that we could only develop technologies due to threatening violence or trying to crush others. On the other hand, without wars, we would probably still be amputating limbs due to infections we can either prevent or treat now (thanks to field medicine development), and a civilisation that doesn’t develop its own weapons (since why would they, they are peaceful) won’t have fun when running into one that isn’t as friendly.

      (And for that reason, YT already thinks I’m a WW2 nerd)

      • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        4·
        6 days ago

        Mm, I’d dispute that we developed technology only as a result of war. Humans are naturally curious. We would develop technology no matter what

        But it is true that the trajectory would be different, and there’s be differences in investment levels as well, but that’s more of a symptom of what our societies value

        • andz@lemmy.world
          1·
          5 days ago

          Not because, but it does help things progress faster. In many cases several different firms or even individual inventors worked on the same problem and came up with several different solutions. They were able to do this because of governmental contracts asking for that solution and tended to get materials, ammunition etc.

          Not only firearms or related stuff either. The groups who worked on things like breaking the enigma or the Manhattan project were large with many small but important breakthroughs from many different people.

          The thing they all have in common is that they worked under immense pressure due to the war effort.

    • chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      5·
      6 days ago

      I think there are some ways that are defendable (like those obsessed with WW2 only because they don’t want it to happen here, like Robert Evans of Cool Zone Media), but I can’t think of a war I was obsessed with… maybe if you include Star Wars? I was a huge fan as a child and I do consider myself still a fan now, though I’ve grown to know what I like about it is just a standard hero saves the day against stronger enemy fantasy. The people who like and defend the empire has always worried me. Felt pretty fascist apologetic.

      • Vespair@lemmy.zipEnglish
        3·
        6 days ago

        Allow me to say upfront that my upcoming example is gross extreme hyperbole, but I sort of feel like that’s saying sex is wonderful and feels good and that’s why people are drawn to rape. I do understand your point, but like, there are other ways to bond than institutionalized bloodshedding?

        Y’all ever heard of fishing?

        • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
          1·
          5 days ago

          Not much forges a bond like facing potential death together. And in this case, we are answering why guys get interested in war. So technically this is without bloodshed today, as the blood was shed lomg ago.

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          1·
          5 days ago

          Wouldn’t it be more like “… And that’s why people are drawn to bdsm pornography”?

          We’re talking about watching documentaries and reading books and shit, not actually going to war. Well most people at least.

          • Vespair@lemmy.zipEnglish
            1·
            5 days ago

            I don’t think kinky but ultimately entirely wholesome and consensual BDSM is at all comparable to the bloodshed of war. At best the better analogy is being into actual rape porn (as opposed to CNC content), imo.

      • potoooooooo ☑️@lemmy.worldEnglish
        23·
        6 days ago

        Consumption, sir! I first served in Easy Company, in the 101st Mushroom Regiment in Amsterdam back around 2015. It changed me.

        Redeployed to push back the creeping evils of Marihuana and LSD domestically, but no matter how much I consume, I seem unable to make a dent in their availability to these craven loons and their insatiable and dark appetites.

        I’ve grown very concerned lately about the effects of DMT. I’m hoping to volunteer soon to try to collect as much as I can find and ingest here locally, before it falls into the hands of a drug user.

  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    101·
    5 days ago

    I wonder if anyone could analyze education about war (and fascism) and how it correlates with the downfall of the History Channel.

    It used to be wall to wall WW2 documentaries. And prior to streaming, sometimes there was nothing else on. So the channel was on A LOT while I was growing up.

    Then they started with the Ancient Aliens and Ice Road Truckers shit and eventually phased the actual history out entirely.

    Now it seems like the people who grew up during that period know nothing about this shit.

    • Boing@lemmy.ca
      1·
      5 days ago

      I didn’t need the History channel when I was a kid to learn about fascism. I had a Grand Father that was in Europe and he didn’t talk much about the war a few of his buddies did and I read/looked at books. We were taught history in school as well. I had a teacher whose family had escaped from East Germany and she was an amazing teacher, a little left wing but that’s understandable. I grew up during the Cold War, when we still had Nukes on Canadian soil. Now we were always called “peace keepers”. That bothers me because during both wars Canadian soldiers were feared on the battlefield. The peace keeper name started with the UN missions but it was also the beginning of the end of our once great military.

    • rozodru@pie.andmc.caEnglish
      7·
      6 days ago

      I must have gotten Warhammer 40k because I know all about the lore, I can tell you all the details of the Horus Heresy, I can give you all the info on Lorgar and Erebus (fucking asshole), everything.

      I have no clue how to play the actual game, I don’t own any miniatures, I’ve never painted one. I just read the books and watch hours long lore dump videos.