Mr. Paxton filed the suit against Johnson & Johnson, which sold Tylenol for decades, and Kenvue, a spinoff company that has sold the drug since 2023.
The Texas lawsuit claims that the companies knowingly withheld evidence from consumers about Tylenol’s links to autism and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. The suit also claims that Kenvue was created to shield Johnson & Johnson from liability over Tylenol.
This lawsuit is the first by a state that seizes on Mr. Trump’s allegations that the use of acetaminophen products like Tylenol during pregnancy could cause neurodevelopmental disorders. The issue has been a longstanding concern among some followers of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the nation’s top health official, but the idea gained traction with Mr. Trump’s remarks.
And two days later Dr Brainworms publicly destroyed this claim.
Lmfao lmfao lmfao lmfao
Does anyone have an angle on the strategy here? Obviously Paxton, et al. know this is complete bullshit. Is it extortion of some sort? Get another above board bribe from a corpo?
I’m not buying it is purely optics. These fuckers don’t have to care about convincing anyone anymore so there’s gotta be a grift in there somewhere.
Additional conspiracy theory elements from this thread:
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J&J spun off Tylenol last year. Did they know this was coming? Are they complicit in the grift or did Kennedy know about evidence that actually indicated a link between autism and acet… aceta… what is it… Tylenol?
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Discovery is a part of the judicial process so will they discover there is no evidence that J&J knew anything? What then? Lie, of course, but to what end?
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Release the Epstein files.
Is it extortion of some sort?
It’s a shakedown. They want an out-of-court settlement.
From what I can tell they’ve got a few eggs in this basket:
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JF©K Jr. and trump and Dr. Oz and the gang are selling the “cure” for autism which is just a random supplement and trying to scare people into buying it.
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If they can tell the public that essentially the safest and most common medication is evil and everyone believes it, they can essentially say anything they want and define medicine for their own profit in the future.
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Lawsuits can be profitable even if they’re bullshit. If they hurt a company and invest in their competitors, they can make money even while paying for a frivolous lawsuit. Plus they might even win with how brainwashed everyone is these days.
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Autism and ADHD are scapegoats for conservatives and they can get people to follow them just by targeting these so called evil neurodivergencies. Kinda like Hitler targeting Jews and others for all of Germany’s problems, they target immigrants and neurodivergents and transsexuals (oh my lol).
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Distract from the Epstein files and illegal overhaul / takeover of the government for fascism as always
essentially the safest and most common medication
Acetaminophen is toxic at high doses. Its pharmaceutical ratio is kind of shit.
That’s fair, definitely not a true statement. Still pretty safe in low doses in almost every scenario but everything has it’s caveats and paracetamol can be nasty if taken in more frequent or higher doses. Same with most stuff though including some vitamins.
But yeah kinda surprising how close therapeutic dose is to lethal dose and how hard regular use can be on your liver. Kinda forget how some people pop this every day like clockwork
It’s the number one cause of liver failure. Americans pop them like candy.
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Does anyone have an angle on the strategy here?
Paxton’s in a heated primary with Cornyn over his Senate seat, so this could all just be about getting his name in the headlines on the eve of an ugly primary fight.
Also might be a classic Trumpian shakedown. Like, this can all go away if J&J throws Paxton a few million in campaign donations.
Release the Epstein files.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein_client_list
We have so many people dead to rights, from the Birthday Book to the Flight Logs to the Virginia Guiffrey testimony. You can only say this so many times before people stop giving a shit. Like, what does anyone think Kash Patel and Pam Bondi are going to do about it? What does anyone think the fucking NY or CA AGs are going to do about it?
Nobody is coming to take Elon Musk or Peter Mandelson away, even assuming you have them dick deep in a live boy and a dead girl on high resolution video with Epstein giving the double-thumbs up center frame.
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We’ve had two whole generations of people using acetaminophen during pregnancy. Why have we not seen a massive uptick in autism to match? After accounting for increased screening and changes in definition and attribution, there’s a slight rise in autism rates that doesn’t align at all with acetaminophen use.
And where are the J&J studies showing that the supposed link was known to that particular company?
They’d do much better targeting plastic and PFAS manufacturers, as their products are known to cause the cellular mutations that can lead to cancer and autism.
You are approaching this all wrong.
It’s not about evidence. It’s not about science.
It’s about what feels good
I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time – when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness
It’s about what makes some con artist money.
I will always upvote The Demon-Haunted World. Should be required reading for every adult.
If you’re in high school or college, read this book!
It would certainly result in a lot fewer so-called “adults” who have an Imaginary Friend in the Sky
What gets me is that studies show that autism is highly genetic.
In identical twins, ASD in one usually leads to a diagnosis of ASD in the other 96% of the time. Which lines up with a high affinity to genetic factors.
In fraternal twins we have seen, a 16% when a given sex ASD is diagnosed leading to an opposite sex ASD diagnosis. A 36% when a female ASD is diagnosed leading to a female ASD diagnosis. And a 31% when a male ASD is diagnosed leading to a male ASD diagnosis.
This lines up with genetic factors from a particular parent that are expressed with the gonosomes. That it affects higher in women is a hint that it may be within the X complex gonosomes. If Tylenol played a serious role in the development of those things then we’d see different data here. That opposite sex fraternal is nearly half the amount for same sex fraternal, really hammers home the notion that we’re dealing with something genetic. But at the same time we don’t know what genes.
The core argument with RFK is oxidative stress. But literally everything causes oxidative stress, not getting the correct amount of sleep causes oxidative stress. And that’s the bigger issue with the studies that RFK has forwarded about Tylenol. Their argument is a confusion of causation and correlation.
And this has been pointed out by a ton of concerned scientist. That’s not to dismiss the data that RFK has provided, it is pointing out that the data they are using doesn’t point to the conclusion they are indicating directly.
I can imagine that Texas could possibly prevail on their case given that even scientist, including the ones RFK cites, aren’t 100% sure that Tylenol has any role in any of this. This isn’t the first time some group or even a State sued over poor science, but it’s really frustrating because Texas has a duty to provide for their citizens and here they are using a poor conclusion to some data to do something that’s no in the interest of their citizens.
get outta here with your science. Drinking Mountain Dew prevents gayness.
There was alsoa few years in the 80s when acetominophen was recalled and no one used it beacuse of fear. No effect in autism rates. Just like lower vaccine uptake last decade has not affected autism rates. We let the idiots do the experiment.
All these issues already existed before acetaminophen was even discovered. This is the result of letting incompetence go wild
Many countries avoid this drug because of its strong liver toxicity. No differences in autism rates.
I hope Texans enjoy having their taxpayer dollars wasted. Because that’s what they’ve voted for, and that’s all this will do, because acetaminophen absolutely the fuck does not cause autism
Because that’s what they’ve voted for
The joke of Texas Politics is that we’ve got Reagan Republicans on the right and Dixiecrat Democrats on the ahem left. Then we’re told to pick our poison. If you’re waiting for Congressman Henry Cuellar and Mayor John Whitmire to save you, then you’ll be waiting a long time.
There are plenty of genuinely good and gracious people in my state. Come down to Houston and help “Food Not Bombs” hand out meals to the homeless as fast as we can, before the HPD can knock over our tables and drag the volunteers off in handcuffs. Come join the Women’s March that filled the streets of downtown. We have them ever year. Or join the local DSA that’s been crusading to unionize the retail sectors and boycott IDF-affiliated terrorist organizations for over a decade.
Or just stay for the electoralism, where you can wait in line for seven hours to cast a ballot and get arrested at the end of it. The idea that “this is what we voted for” is a fucking lie. We’re occupied territory. About as free to govern ourselves as any Hawaiian native protesting the United Fruit Company or Okinawa resident getting raped by a US serviceman.
Pretty much sums up TX politics. Criminals run the state
The joke of Texas Politics is that we’ve got Reagan Republicans on the right and Dixiecrat Democrats on the ahem left. Then we’re told to pick our poison.
I hear perfection is the enemy of ‘better’, but don’t let that stop you from incremental improvement more than it has.
I hear perfection is the enemy of ‘better’
Houston police called ICE on woman reporting crash, despite claims they aren’t cooperating
An event for GOP Congressman Dan Crenshaw will have a special guest: Democratic Mayor John Whitmire
Then-Sen. John Whitmire restored quorum in 2003, allowing mid-century GOP redistricting of Texas
:-/
they should go ahead with everything and disprove all this nonsense in court
I mean, you’d like to think courts are a place where evidence is reviewed and truth is ratified. But… glances at the US Fifth Circuit…
now im going to take more Tylenol so i get turbo autism and turbo ADHD
Oof… Just liver failure and kidney damage. Close, tho!
Yes that’s why I only use it if I need it
Let me start by saying, “Fuck Paxton”. It is very convenient that J&J spun off just Tylenol into a different company about a year ago. No real reason except corporate word salad. This could get interesting.
I like how corporations are people that can legally re identify as something else on a whim.
I went to my bank one time when there was an issue with my mortgage. They weren’t honoring part of their original terms, so I went in to talk to them.
They’d recently bought some other local banks and rebranded the whole thing.
I go talk to the mortgage manager and say you’re not honoring your terms, and the lady looks at me and says that deal was with the old bank.
I said you are literally the same person I made this deal with, and if you aren’t the same bank, why do I still owe you money?
They had been a really great local bank my whole life, and after that, I’ve never looked at them the same or trusted them all that much ever again. Nearly every business here is some mega chain, and it burns me to see the remaining local companies turn into something just as bad.
That argument is legal horseshit btw, they are 100% bound by the terms of the contract. If they fuck around, it’s time to you to seek out a good attorney and sue them if they breach the contract.
It thankfully wasn’t anything directly monetary. It was basically an administrative oversight in removing a portion of another property used as collateral. It resolved itself not too long afterward, just not on the originally promised timeline. All the more reason really I took it so personally.
Our whole family has banked with them for 3 generations, including 2 small businesses and back when they were cool we’d get greated by our names as we walked in the door, even for a few years after things went all direct deposit and I rarely had to go in. Then they got bigger and stopped doing all the nice things and events and such for customer appreciation, lots of the old staff left, and then they act crappy to me over something that really didn’t affect either of us in the grand scheme of things.
They’re still not a bad bank, but that day permanently changed our relationship to me.
It can void the mortgage in some cases, letting them walk away with a free house minus what they already paid.
“oh so we’re good then, I’ll catch you later”
A luxury not afforded to real people, too.
Is that why Paxton’s face is f’d up?
Doesn’t this mean that plaintiffs will need to demonstrate that there actually is such a risk?
Defense: Correlation is not causation.
What do you mean, “demonstrate”? Dept of
dieinghealth has said so, what more proof do you need?
So they hid the risks of insane conspiracy theories dreamed up by the delusional?
It’s a red Herring to shield all corporate wrong doing in the future.
Oh God this is where we are.
always champions of the dumbest fucking initiatives and scummiest bullshit
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