The 1% how much taxes they pay
You’re too generous for not making it a yes/no question
Don’t ask OP about the use of prepositions
The US about indigenous Americans.
Oh wait, they made hundreds of movies about killing them.
That really is one of the most absurd things about the American Empire. They’ll come and destroy your people, taint and corrupt your land with bones and blood, bomb you back into the stone age, and then make a trillion dollar budget film about how it made them feel sad. The othering is so powerful that emotions only exist within the walls of capital
But I wouldn’t blame this. The people making the movies hasn’t been in common with the crime.
You can tell the poster is American because they blame the government involved for all of these except the US, where they blamed the CIA.
You’re right, as an American I knew the specific government agency that overthrew foreign governments. But I don’t mean to imply that the U.S. government is blameless.
I mean the CIA is the us government
No you see it was just a few bad apples.
The CIA is part of the US government.
“Was there a massacre in Tiananmen Square?”
—“No.”
“Were people killed elsewhere in Beijing?”
—“…Ermh…”
“Ahem. I am asking you if people were killed in the area immediately surrounding Tiananmen Square, even if nobody was killed in the square itself.”
—“The protesters in Tiananmen Square left after negotiations with the PLA. There was no bloodshed in Tiananmen Square.”
“I understand that, but were people killed elsewhere in Beijing?”
—“Nowhere in Beijing were student protestors specifically targeted.”
“Well, were non-students targeted, and were any students injured or killed without being targeted?”
—“Hey did you know that the Three Gorges Dam is the world’s largest—”
“Gongchandang, my friend, I am begging you.”
—“…Force may have been used when provoked by attacks.”
“May force have also been used unprovoked? Could it have been that the protesters felt like they were provoked first, because you were sending tanks past the barricades that they’d put up?”
—“I mean… you know… uhh…”
“Gongchandang. Were you scared that the occupation of Beijing and the potential of a workers’ revolt would threaten the survival of socialism in China, by presenting a still-socialist alternative to your rule, because societal division particularly among the less politically literate could be (and was) exploited by outside forces?”
—“OUR YOUTH ARE VULNERABLE TO IMPERIALIST PROPAGANDA, OK‽ ALSO, TANK MAN DIDN’T GET RUN OVER. SEE. HE WAS PULLED AWAY BY A PASSERBY. NOT RUN OVER.”
The Australian’s about their treatment of
aboriginesfirst nation AustraliansThe Irish about mother and baby homes.
China about Uyghurs
Didn’t a bunch of Muslim countries actually ask China about Uyghurs (and even visit Xinjiang) and they left unanimously content with the response?
Yes. The only country worried about it is the same one that’s actually killed millions of Muslims over the last 20 years
Israel or America?
Yes
They only did it to bring them democracy!
Well yeah, of course I’d trust the experts in genocide over countries that have no experience.
should be easy enough for you to provide a legitimate source to this claim.
please note the word “legitimate”
The other reply to this post provides a pretty legitimate source.
But, well, it’s not exactly hard to Google.
I bet they did according to Xi and the CCP, but not in reality.
Even if they did, they’re probably faking it because trade with China is more important to them than human rights, just like the US and Saudi Arabia or the other Western countries and the US…
Russians about Crimea and Donbass
“aborigines” is not a great word to use these days. It’s generally seen as pretty offensive to Indigenous Australians as it’s a bit dehumanising and comes from colinisers who treated people like animals.
Better to go with “First Nations people”, “Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people” or “Indigenous Australians.”
But yes, they’ve been treated (and in many cases continue to be treated) pretty horribly.
Thanks. I kinda knew it wasn’t great, but didn’t know the correct term.
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australia has much more shit going… like storing asylumseekers in some far away islands
The one that confuses me, is the statement about the Irish.
I guess you could say ask the Catholic church about Irish mother and baby homes. But the meme was doing nations.
Blaming the Catholic Church is a good way to start but the argument that Irish people were led astray by the Church is pretty much the same argument as those who seek to divorce the Wehrmacht from complicity in SS atrocities. In both cases the answer is that they shared vital infrastructure with each other and ranking officials could have stopped the excesses, which they had full knowledge of, if they’d have disagreed with it.
Ask them about their tax avoidance schemes for big tech
Never ask a Lemmy user where they’ve hidden the good posts.
Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.
The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 (translated here) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.
Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.
What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?
The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.
Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.
Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.
And just a reminder. In communist China, you can be a pain in the ass by obstructing tanks trying to exist a parade, argue with the commander, then get rushed away by other normal people going “dude what the Hell’s your problem”
Lmao was just about to say, one of these is not like the other.
You useful idiots are going to be among the first against the wall to find out about China’s mercy I imagine. You’ll demand to fellate the firing squad beforehand.
idgi what are you trying to say here?
China hunts down useful idiots? All their firing squad members have penises? The Great Wall is used for executions?
Useful idiots believing CBS, NY Times, Reuters and BBC?
When the People’s Liberation Army makes landfall on the western shores of North America, I will be here to greet them as heroes
I do appreciate skepticism wherever applicable, but China keeps getting handed from one Dictatorship to another so it’s hard to see them as victims unless they make some effort to change in more ways than just economically. It also sounds like complete bullshit that the “armed and dangerous protestors” died in equal number to “unarmed and unhelmeted military personnel.” Like, for real? Those tanks in a line were made of cardboard?
Why not educate yourself instead of just regurgitating nonsense
ha, “rumble”. is it ever going to dawn on you that all your grayzone, jimmy dore, glenn greenwald, caitlin johnstone, et cetera bullshit that claims to be leftist is funded by right-wing billionaire peter thiel, and run out the same offices as trump’s “truth social”?
useful idiots indeed.
What does the site the content is hosted on have to do with the actual content which you obviously did not watch. Utter brain rot on display here. It’s an interview with the US puppet who started the protest and what she herself is saying about it. The fact that you didn’t address that and went off on an idiotic rant about rumble really says all we need to know about your intellectual capacity.
Did you even read your own articles or did you just cherry-pick quotes? For instance the conclusion of the BBC article:
There was no Tiananmen Square massacre, but there was a Beijing massacre.
The shorthand we often use of the “Tiananmen Square protests” of 1989 gives the impression that this was just a Beijing issue. It was not.
Protests occurred in almost every city in China (even in a town on the edge of the Gobi desert).
What happened in 1989 was by far the most widespread pro-democracy upheaval in communist China’s history. It was also by far the bloodiest suppression of peaceful dissent.
Thank you, very frustrated that I had to scroll so far down to find this with regard to the so-called Tiananmen Square “massacre”
Great job comrade, president XiJing Ping will personally give you an offer to be an officer in Uigyur internment camps.
WuMao.
What do you mean don’t ask the UK about African interment camps?
Our lovely Tory government spent most of last year proud of trying to deport asylum seekers to fucking Rwanda. Like it was some sort of vote winner.
I think it’s unfair to suggest that the UK Government doesn’t like you asking about African internment camps.
They also don’t like you asking about:
- the conditions under which refugees are currently housed, give you a clue it kind of rhymes historically with internment camps
- Various Indian famines that were caused or exacerbated by colonial rule
- role in slave trade. Yes they ended the slave trade… by compensating slave owners. Also started the fucking thing.
- That time we basically stole an entire island from its people to put an airbase there.
- linked to the internment camps, pretty much anything Churchill did prior to the Second World War and after it also.
- the undercover activities of the police investigating environmental groups e.g. having children by the people they were surveilling.
There’s probably several pages of this but I’ve only just woken up.
The British Empire once covered over a quarter of the Earth’s land area. Even the Mongols never managed that.
And by “once”, it’s not ancient history. It was 1920.
It’s horrifying, and we’re almost certainly responsible for more suffering than any other country on Earth, but also kind of impressive. There are just 22 countries we never invaded.
We could also blame UK for the existence of USA
Don’t look at us, it was the Spanish that found it.
Well, after all those people that were already on it, obviously. But they hardly count. They weren’t white. But according to Americans, neither are the Spanish, so…
What about the boers?
And the Kenyans. The English developed concentration camps in South African and used them in Kenya during the Mau Mau rebellion.
I mean they were great as footballers but honestly both don’t cut it as managers
In Thailand:
- 6 October
- Bloody May
- The K–g Never Smiles
- The Devil’s Discus
- “Unfortunately Some People Died”
Didn’t they do some Jakarta shit with repressing Hmong radicals?
Don’t ask the French (Police) what happened in 17 October 1961
TIL !
One of these is not like the other
You’re right, asking a woman her age is not an atrocity
How a person reacts to being asked about the version of these things most close to them is telling. If they get defensive and deny the event happened, I would hesitate to trust their opinion on other things. Clearly that person bases their opinions on what they want to be true rather than reality. That’s the kind of person whose ideology would likely lead to another event to be ashamed of. If, on the other hand, they admit it was a horrible thing and agree that people should be educated on it and that steps should be taken to prevent it from ever happening again, then I’m more likely to take their opinion seriously and believe that they can be part of the conversations we need to happen to create a better world.
Was about to comment “the germans about ww2” but then remembered that we are quite open about that time. Wouldn’t have made much sense either as there would be no use in evem trying to hide it
Genocide of the Ovaherero and Nama peoples in Namibia by Germans.
That’s why it’s so abhorrent that voices from the right but not only from the right get louder, that demand an end to the relatively good remembrance culture here in Germany. I hate the: “it was so long ago, it wasn’t us” talking points. It’s the first step towards forgetting, historic revisionism and possibly repeating the things that were done.
“Germany about colonialism” would be a better fit.
Also the german sentiment about WW2 is something that survivors for ever, students in the 60s/70s and antifascists right now fought for / are fighting for. Considering we have parts of thr country that vote 30%+ for members of a nasi party the sentiment could shift really fast and atleast from my perspective considerably shifted already
“Denazification” would be another solid choice. For example, the post-war career of Hans Martin Schleyer
Colonialism is not a controversial topic and covered in school books
covered in school books
Thats not really my standard. I would like Germany to actually do stuff like returning stolen cultural goods and paying reperations instead of dodging responsibilty
i think you are wrong here. had colonialism in school…you can talk to ppl about it.
Well, we can add French and Brits about Munich agreement.
The Ukrainian Government, OUN.
The Lithuanian Government, what happened to the Jews.
