The U.S is a terrorist state and now it’s a full on dictatorship. They’re not even hiding their illegal kills anymore
Terrorist attacks*
Extrajudicial murders using the same paltry level of evidence as most ICE operations. The word MURDER is the essential word.
It pains me to give trump the benifit of doubt greatly but I’d love to see some solid evidence of it not being drug smugglers so we can nail him the fuck down for it in the future.
Besides the fact that evidence doesn’t work that way, the Administration has options here if they actually believed those were drug boats. The 50BMG rifle exists to put a big hole in an engine block. There are snipers good enough to make that shot at a few hundred yards in a helicopter.
They choose to use a much more expensive missile that just so happens to obliterate any evidence.
They’re just killing random fishers.
A lack of evidence of innocence isn’t the same thing as evidence of guilt.
Even if they were guilty of smuggling drugs, using missiles to murder them is excessive force.
Also finding people outside your borders guilty, sentencing them to death and carrying out that sentence without even knowing their name might be just a tad excessive.
A war crime perhaps.
Kinda need a war for that, but yeah.
It pains me to give trump the benifit of doubt greatly
then don’t?
but I’d love to see some solid evidence of it not being drug smugglers
it’s pretty hard to get evidence from an exploded small boat, sunk in the ocean… not counting that proving negatives is fairly hard (which is why that’s not how evidence works)… how do you “prove” to me you are not a drug smuggler?
I won’t and I don’t, but it will be easier to convict with evidence that it’s not a drug smuggling op.
ok so I send my military to kill you and now it’s up to whomever to prove I did wrong… great deal for me
You know how in every court case the prosecutors being evidence?
wow you really don’t know? SCOTUS already ruled your president is king, they literally said it was ok for POTUS to kill political enemies without any due process (that was an example presented)
Yeah that’s not how evidence works. The onus is on him to provide evidence that they are drug boats, which should be trivial for the largest military in the world.
Why would you ever give him the benefit of the doubt here?
Would you trust any evidence coming from him?
I said I don’t want to give him the benifit of doubt.
But those courts might and it would just be more difficult to lock him up without evidence, but fuck me I guess lol.
Completely agree. I think that they’d be waving it about if they did.
Exactly what I would imagine haha
Updated the slogan.
Huh, it rippled backwards in time, too
They must be drug boats because there is no more drugs in the US anymore.
They can tell how many they killed, but no actual eviidence of drugs in the wreckage while counting bodies??
That’s the neat part! They can’t! No one is counting bodies in person, this is all remote us murder, as is tradition.
So how do they know how many victims were aboard?
Same way they knew about enemy casualties in any conflict, they “estimate” from observed data before they pull the trigger.
FYI did you know that the us claimed 1.1 million kills in Vietnam? The Vietnamese claim less then 500,000 where killed (with many many more civilians killed)
IR cameras are good at counting bodies.
If they claim they know that these boats have drugs on them, they could just apprehend them when they made port.
But then they would have to actually find said drugs to use as evidence to prosecute them.
This is just extrajudicial murder, plain and simple. I hope Trump and everyone who is involved with this dies an excruciatingly painful death.
But then they would have to actually find said drugs to use as evidence to prosecute them.
It’s not like those can’t be planted. They’re already killing civilians of another country, there’s no bottom in their games.
If they claim they know that these boats have drugs on them, they could just apprehend them when they made port
That would require due process, instead of a spectacle of Shock and Awe.
Also, let’s say, hypothetically that these aren’t drug boats. Let’s say they are boats moving medical supplies or fuel or building materials between Venezuela and Cuba. Let’s say they’re actually military units working on behalf of the Venezuelan Coast Guard or just fisherman who got caught in an international crossfire.
It’s just easier to say “Drug Gang. Killed them.” knowing no major American media source is going to publish a rebuttal. Nobody in the US has access to the details of the attack. Nobody is going to interview the families or investigate the wreckage. Nobody is going to contradict this regime when it comes to butchering citizens of the Global South.
So why not call them a drug gang? Call them human traffickers. Call them roving nautical pedophiles. Call them Islamic Jihad.
American audiences won’t hear anything different.
Imagine if they’ were actually human traffickers, and these assholes have been blowing up the victims as well.
They were probably poor people somehow indebted to the cartels and had no choice to do what they were told.
Israeli tier foreign policy
The USA stooping to a new and shitty level of low.
The fact that the people involved went to the JAG for legal cover clearly demonstrates that they know that what they are doing is following illegal orders. Mens rea. They are going to be charged when this is all over.
The fact that the people involved went to the JAG for legal cover clearly demonstrates that they know that what they are doing is following illegal orders.
Despicable. Did they really go to JAG to ask “I’m covered if I do this right?”?
Rather than “There’s no way in hell this is legal and you’ll cover me if I refuse, right?”?
Evil at worst. Shamefully spineless and devoid of honor at best.
“Just following orders” is not a valid defense in carrying out increasingly heinous crimes against humanity.
Apparently they went to the JAG asking for legal cover and they have been asked to sign NDAs.
It’s murder for political optics plain and simple.
Exactly.
Yeah, but that is the case for a LOT of murder done by both states and individuals. I’m in no way saying that to lessen how bad it is, if anything it should give people pause to reflect on how bad many things they don’t see as bad are.
It’s insane that they aren’t, at worst, intercepting and searching these vessels. As with everything Trump does, cruelty is the point.
This man is a convicted felon that is sloppily trying to cover up the fact he sexually abused children (Epstein Files), along with the full support of the republican party. And the GOP (politicians and voters alike) are complicit with these crimes as long as they agree he should not be punished.
We, the sane people in this world, will never forget these facts.
Can you feel it? This is how all great democracies are born! Just a few more dead, Venezuela, and we’ll bring you democracy! Prepare your parades and ribbons and floats!
Murder
People that say he is murdering are next on the list.
He does say it might be illegal for late night show hosts to criticize him…
He talks and acts exactly like a dictator. Can people actually NOT see that?
Yes but they like what he’s doing.
This is terrorism.
I would make the case that the people being directly killed here by the state, while atrocious, pale in comparison to the number of deaths that will be directly attributed to the cutting of USAid internationally and the loss of healthcare, jobs and environmental regulations in the US. And of course the gutting of the US health department and ending vaccine programs/requirements.
We will likely see a death-toll directly tied to Trump and his administration in the range of seven figures in the next decade.
We will likely see a death-toll directly tied to Trump and his administration in the range of seven figures in the next decade
You could apply this to any US president. The US + EU murder half a million people abroad yearly just through economic sanctions and blockades, as shown in a recent study in Lancet.
the number of deaths that will be directly attributed to the cutting of USAid internationally and the loss of healthcare, jobs and environmental regulations in the US
Hey now, we didn’t cut USAID. We just sent $40B to our good friends in Argentina. And now Milei’s party has won the midterms, which means he can continue his War On Leftism inside the state and along the borders.
We’re also helping to arm and secure Guyana, in a Kuwait-like project to drill into neighboring Venezuelan oil fields. That’s not happening for free. Lots of Latin Americans and US government contractors are absolutely getting their palms greased. It’s been a bonanza for NATO aligned mercenaries since the Bush Era, thanks to all the money we’re spending on freelance military.
We’re saving lives, man. All that money is putting food on the tables of any number of cocaine snorting, whore house frequenting, tacti-cool sunglass wearing Afghanistan washouts and their Guasano peers.
Are you just going to ignore that?
How could we ever let that poor oil stay down in the ground where it can’t be loved and cared for? It’s cruel NOT to destroy countless lives in exchange for this act of kindness and empathy.
Not recognizing ICC, regime change, illegal killing of foreign civilians, supporting genocidal regimes, invading other countries, carpet bombing nations, incarcerating their own population, killing eachother in mass shootings, biggest per capita contribution to climate change.
American exceptionalism isn’t doing us any good.
But ooh nooo China, please Europe, fear China… We are your ‘allies’.
