(BadEmpanada Live: ) Talking about how Climate Change is now completely off the agenda for everyone and how grim this is for everything.

  • PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au
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    This fuckin’ guy again

    The last US president spent about half a trillion dollars making a really significant dent in US carbon emissions, it was one of the small handful of big things he actually was able to accomplish. Nobody knows that happened, because the entire media landscape is made up of idiot streamers who say things like:

    And by worse, I don’t mean like like the way that a lot of liberals who pretend to care about climate change frame things is like it’s all Donald Trump’s fault. Like Donald Trump is so much worse than Joe Biden on climate change, blah blah blah.

    I mean, that’s accurate. Donald Trump is so much worse than Joe Biden on climate change. You can’t just say it and then say “blah blah blah” at the end and make it not true. “We” forgot it in the sense of there no longer being any action at all by the US government on it, but don’t put that on me, man.

    When the fact of the matter is, if every single country in the world had Joe Biden’s climate policy, the exact same fucking shit would be happening practically.

    If every single country in the world had Joe Biden’s climate policy, the world would be on track for a 40% reduction in emissions by 2030. Is that enough? Fuck no. Is it better than what’s happening? You tell me man.

    I don’t know who the fuck the “we” is in this guy’s universe but I have certainly not forgotten about climate change. I do think it’s moderately likely, given his apparent hatred for any of the new crop of progressive candidates coming up, that he forgot about climate change during all his coverage of the 2020 election and how to look at it, and now he’s making his second video in five years about the topic saying how important it is and how “we” forget about it.

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      Trump’s trying to reinvigorate coal, trying to cancel nearly complete wind projects, removing the homeowner solar credit, took $1B (is that right number?) from fossil fuel companies during his campaign, pulled us from the Paris Accords, on and on and fucking on. I cannot fathom anyone comparing his climate record to Biden’s.

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        Yeah. I wasn’t even going to bring it up, just going to complain about BadEmpanada in general, but the instant I looked inside the video I saw this “BIDEN BIDEN BIDEN” stuff. Wtf lol? Why did things instantly go in that direction? Especially in conjunction with basically the only other thing I know about him (that he HATES Graham Platner and Mamdani and is willing to lie about them to encourage people not to support them) (edit: also Bernie Sanders), it seems like kind of a weird addition.

        I think The Man has gotten super-good at this point in smuggling “fellow leftist” propaganda streamers into the discourse to spread his messaging, and I’m disappointed that Lemmy seems so gullible to constantly post them as long as they make the right kind of noises about Israel to give themselves cover and credibility.

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          Lemmy believes anything that fits the zeitgeist around here and then makes fun of conservatives for doing the same. Someday I’m going to craft a perfectly fake post that fits prevailing opinions around here, bet it blows up.

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    We’ve really screwed the pooch when it comes to climate change, so far. Most of it is due to greed, corruption, and the incredible influence of the fossil fuels industry, but I think climate activists have hurt their own cause, in some ways.

    For whatever reason, climate activists have really focused on EVs, really trying to push rapid adoption through tax incentives and mandates. But the industry wasn’t ready. Profit margins at the lower end of the market, where most car buyers are, were too low due to the still relatively high cost of batteries, so the industry focused on the premium/luxury end of the market where margins were higher. The EV market became flooded with expensive vehicles that there just wasn’t enough demand for. It has resulted in people associating EVs with expensive luxury, and that’s the opposite of what we want for mass adoption. Also, the build out of critical infrastructure has been haphazard. The monopoly tactics of Tesla, and Elon Musk being an insane lunatic haven’t helped either.

    But passenger vehicles account for such a small overall percentage of global GHG emissions, I don’t know why so much of the focus was on EVs to begin with. We should have been focused on the real climate change culprit, and that’s electricity generation.

    We have shut down a lot of coal power plants, which is definitely a good thing, but most of them have been replaced with natural gas plants, which is not a good thing.

    And that brings me to the other big mistake made by many climate activists: they insisted that we focus only on renewables, and refused to support nuclear, even though nuclear is a zero GHG emission technology.

    The fact is, renewables are a very different electric generation technology, compared to coal, natural gas and nuclear. The latter can increase output in real time, in response to increases in demand. With renewables, whatever is being generated at any given time is what’s available, and if people want more electricity than what renewables are already putting on the grid, there’s nothing you can do. You can’t throw more solar panels on the fire, so to speak. Renewables just represent a complete paradigm shift in the way we generate and consume electricity. Renewables change the economics of electricity generation and delivery, and we did not adequately anticipate impacts of that.

    The question now is: will climate activists recognize these mistakes and change. We’ll see.

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      But passenger vehicles account for such a small overall percentage of global GHG emissions, I don’t know why so much of the focus was on EVs to begin with.

      When I last looked it up, it was around 6% of emissions.

      I have looked into your question intensively and I have a possible answer.

      My feeling is that humanity has focussed on corporate, product-based “green economy” / economic growth solutions where we had emerging technology waiting in the wings.

      Basically, these are painless transitions that don’t require any Herculean lifting and we don’t have to reinvent our societies.

      If you look at the LARGE sectors like: industry, heating, agriculture and building all dwarf the emissions of cars. Most of the technological development in feeding and housing people and making goods is nowhere near some widespread paradigm shift.

      We simply don’t have technical ability to get rid of the other emissions while maintaining our population and status quo. We have no inventions.

      In the absence of real progress, there has been this kaleidoscope of misinformation campaigns to obscure what is going on:

      • Sometimes people extol the possibility of some tech idea but don’t explain how much time and resources it takes to scale it.
      • Sometimes the accounting is fraud, like off shoring manufacturing, importing power across jurisdictions, counting biomass as green, not counting methane in agriculture, etc
      • Often there is focus on real issues that don’t even work within the solution space of reducing emissions
      • One of the biggest scams lately is to switch from talking about absolute emissions growth to speaking of everything in relative or percwntage terms. Eg. "New power generation went from 1% solar to 10% solar in just X years, but meanwhile in absolute terms fossil fuel use is actually growing at unprecedented rates in the background. ( Meaning that we are not actually making any kind of transition at all, the information is presented out of context to distort the picture and drive a narrative.)

      Etc etc.

      So in short, I think the answer is that we focus on EVs because we are in extremely big trouble. Everything external to that is devastingly bad and getting worse.

      This is a case of putting people to sleep and / or telling them what they want to hear.

      It’s actually a major obstacle in dealing with our problems. We have to become clear on what the stakes are before we can start to figure out a solution.

      . . .

      One thing that comes along in the grieving process is that there are different solutions.

      Many collapse aware people prefer we try to mitigate the damage from climate change, consumerism, etc.

      However, just crashing the Holocene biosphere actually solves all the problems. The human population will go way down or disappear and basically all the bad stuff will go away. Like, its entirely possible that this will be miserable / achingly bad but the “let 'er rip” approach to maximal human costs by doing nothing is actually probably the likely path. The hard pill to swallow is that most of our fellow humans are voting for this in terms of actions speaking louder than words.

      Humans, I believe, are essentially a kind of unacknowledged “pyrophyte” fire-needinf species where our ability to use fire (or, external abiotic energy, in general) is part of our essential biology. I don’t know that humans have any survival path without doing what we are doing on some level. You just have a lot of humans following their nature now.

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      Renewables also have their dark side that none of the proponents want to talk about, or if they do they use whataboutism to point out that at least it’s not as bad as X and Y. Even the name renewable is a falsehood to tap into the idea of some perpetual cycle that doesn’t harm anything.

      Although I agree with your point, the real loss of focus goes even further than energy production. It’s energy demand. What was the first R in the three Rs of the 70s that was quickly tossed for just Recycling? Reduce. We have done a poor, poor job of any type of reduction, in fact we’re done the opposite thanks to consumerism and population growth, both warned about long ago. And now the rest of the world wants to join in on the higher standard of living (which is understandable), and that can only push the line faster up.

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        Yeah, ultimately the problem is our infinite growth paradigm. Infinite growth isn’t sustainable regardless of the energy source. The paradigm will end, one way or another, probably when we hit some hard ecological or resource limit. The resulting crash will be hugely consequential for our species and the rest of the planet.

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        People like you are the problem. You don’t actually want to fix anything, you just want to be “right.” You just want your beliefs and preconceived notions to be reinforced and validated.

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    It was sucessfully politicized.

    I don’t talk about it IRL because its basically radioactive, and anyone even slightly Trump leaning is going to start crudely mocking you or think you’re nuts.

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      Even with people who support climate activism, it’s a toss up as to whether you’re going to be talking to somebody sane or somebody that thinks planting trees will make climate change worse because decomposing organic matter releases CO2.

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        Of course it’s political but I think you’re responding to someone saying it shouldn’t be, we should all be on the same page here.

        What no one ever addresses in these conversations is the stunning amount of money tied to fossil fuels. And I’m not just talking about Exxon’s quarterly profits. Everyone in the industry from the roustabouts to the office workers are making bank, and there are shitloads of those people. How are we to win the hearts and minds of these people by saying we intend to take their solid livelihoods?

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          The carbon footprint, like the ecological footprint, is an average proxy for wealth. Wealth is political.

          How are we to win the hearts and minds of these people by saying we intend to take their solid livelihoods?

          Yes, that is a good question. Here’s another:

          How are we to win the hearts and minds of these people by lying about their responsibility in the predicament? “Oh, it’s not you, it’s just this small group of billionaires which you admire want to replace!”

          You don’t work with the people who want in on the suicidal game. The optimists need to be brought into reality, that’s something to work on. But for the psychos, you work around them, you around against them, not with them.

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    It’s off the agenda because everyone is already fully entrenched. Either you’re concerned about it or you think it’s a hoax, and neither group is changing their minds, so debating it is a waste of time.

    It’s sometimes mentioned with a sigh around here when the weather is particularly extreme.

  • HasturInYellow@lemmy.world
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    It’s off the agenda like last month’s calamari that’s been sitting in the fridge is off the menu.

    It really just doesn’t matter now. We fucked it.