Which treaty are you specifically referring to, here? Ukraine had been a hotbed of far-right Banderite influence before they committed the Maidan massacre and couped the state in 2014, and that wasn’t because of Russian influence.
The Budapest Memorandum was explicitly stated to not be legally binding. It wasn’t guarantees, but assurances, and the US broke these assurances first:
“Although the Memorandum is not legally binding, we take these political commitments seriously and do not believe any U.S. sanctions, whether imposed because of human rights or non-proliferation concerns, are inconsistent with our commitments to Belarus under the Memorandum or undermine them. Rather, sanctions are aimed at securing the human rights of Belarusians and combating the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and other illicit activities, not at gaining any advantage for the United States”.
This was the reasoning given for sanctioning Belarus in 2013. The west backing the far-right Banderite coup in 2014 was an even greater violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. Ukraine also did not give up “its” nukes, but returned the soviet nukes Moscow had stationed there prior to the dissolution of the USSR that were a part of the multi-national nature of the soviet union.
The Budapest Memorandum was neither binding nor respected by the west to begin with.
Also, if you want to have a conversation please try to restrain yourself from banning your interlocutor. I know it’s hard to justify an homicidal regime but at least don’t make me wait 4 days to show you how wrong and stupid you are.
If it’s not me doing so someone else or life itself will do so in due time, you cannot run away from truth your whole life (◠‿◕)
Nah, you got banned for good reason, you’re an incredibly racist, homophobic, far-right Euronationalist. Your attitude towards the global south is straight out of the colonial era.
You got me right on euronationalist, the rest of your comment shows how little you understood about me. But that’s normal, you cannot fathom a left position which is not for a totalitarian regime based on an idea of communism which should have been terminated once the USSR fell ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I understand you perfectly well, you’re an open book. You’re an anti-communist, homophobic, racist Euronationalist, ie a fascist. It’s pretty clear-cut. Nationalism in the global north perpetuates imperialism, fascism is anti-communist, you think people in the global south are ethnically inferior and you tell queer people that they need to not be offended by your homophobia. There’s no possibility you could be anything other than far-right, be it socially or economically.
The worst kind of cope, as soon as you are presented with the truth of the matter, that Russia is a rogue state breaking international treaties by moving an unnecessary war to a neighbouring country, you immediately cope out by comparing fiscal sanctions placed by a completely different state not even on Russia directly to an all out war and, at the same time, you use the same reasoning presented by the USA you seem to reject to justify the atrocities of the Russian regime.
Moreover, it was the USA who “broke the treaty” (I’d love to see exactly which points of the treaty were broken by imposing sanctions, as the treaty was to avoid armed conflicts and does not mention sanctions as far as I am aware), by imposing sanctions over Belarus, why isn’t Put-it-in attacking the real villain of this story (in your eyes) but an innocent country and people instead?
Your kremlin-loving justifications never make any sense as long as one can think about them for more than a second; it’s astounding how wrong can a human being be on such an easy issue to understand
Ukraine’s government isn’t innocent, they have been ethnically cleansing ethnic Russians post-Euromaidan coup. Ukraine is not all Nazi, the Nazis in Ukraine are largely in the government of Ukraine and in fascist groups now folded into the government and millitary officially. I’m not wrong here at all, you still haven’t explained how Nazis committing ethnic cleansing is okay.
And you still haven’t provided neutral evidences of what you call “ethnic cleansing” while I’ve provided you a report showing a steady decrease in violent deaths between 2014 and 2022 produced by the UN while Russia was still sitting in the board and confirmed the numbers cited.
Also, how is Ukraine still capable of fighting against Russia if the majority of its people are not nazi and should be against their government according to you? Wouldn’t they be fighting alongside the russian should they want to be freed from their “tyrannical” government? And yet they are still fighting almost 4 years into this war. Unbelievable how much they love tyranny in that country
I gave western sources that are biased against Russia and pro-Kiev still admitting to the ethnic cleansing campaign. Secondly, war in Ukraine is unpopular! They have to rely on forced conscription to keep the war going. There’s a decent amount of nationalists in Ukraine that support the Banderites just like there are a decent number of MAGA supporters outside of the government in the US Empire, but by and large the war is unpopular. That’s also why Kiev is finally trying to concede and reach a peace deal.
You’ve got this thought terminating ideology where if something disagrees with your far-right narrative, you immediately disagree with it, even if the sources are from outlets that share your world view.
Western sources that are bought and paid by the kremlin like Pim Tool, Benny Johnson and all those involved in the Tenet Media scandal? Thanks but I prefer official sources instead of unverified and biased blog posts.
The war is so unpopular that russian hasn’t been able to conquer no complete control on those regions still under its occupation. They are so beloved by Ukrainians that they cannot even have a stable form of government due to the lack of administrative personnel. What a support from the common population!!!
Another thing are the eventual crimes committed during the war. Both Ukraine and Russia are doing terrible acts in this war and indipendent tribunals should be able to keep the perpetrators of such acts accountable once the war will end. But, ask yourself, had Russia not started this war would these war crimes ever been committed? The answer is no, of course, so in my eyes Russia still is the root cause for all the needles suffering both these countries are going through
Sources like the BBC, New York Times, The Guardian, The Hill, Jacobin, Reuters, The Natiob, and Al Jazeera are “paid by the Kremlin?” I know fascists like you thrive on irrationality, but there’s a limit to denying reality.
Ukraine ethnically cleansing the Donbass region, which popularly supports Russia, is what started the war. The Euromaidan coup is what kicked off the war in 2014, Russia entered in 2022 after the Minsk agreements failed. Had NATO not couped Ukraine, the war would have never happened.
I didn’t delete shit, I was banned because there weren’t any counterarguments to the points I was presenting in my replies (which were also removed as well, would you look at that!).
The best part is that the moderator who banned me is being kept anonymous, what a courageous bunch we got on lemmy.ml (≧▽≦) (≧▽≦)
Which treaty are you specifically referring to, here? Ukraine had been a hotbed of far-right Banderite influence before they committed the Maidan massacre and couped the state in 2014, and that wasn’t because of Russian influence.
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The Budapest Memorandum was explicitly stated to not be legally binding. It wasn’t guarantees, but assurances, and the US broke these assurances first:
This was the reasoning given for sanctioning Belarus in 2013. The west backing the far-right Banderite coup in 2014 was an even greater violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. Ukraine also did not give up “its” nukes, but returned the soviet nukes Moscow had stationed there prior to the dissolution of the USSR that were a part of the multi-national nature of the soviet union.
The Budapest Memorandum was neither binding nor respected by the west to begin with.
Also, if you want to have a conversation please try to restrain yourself from banning your interlocutor. I know it’s hard to justify an homicidal regime but at least don’t make me wait 4 days to show you how wrong and stupid you are.
If it’s not me doing so someone else or life itself will do so in due time, you cannot run away from truth your whole life (◠‿◕)
I can’t ban anyone, lol, and I’m absolutely correct here. The communists, as usual, are correct.
Then tell the admins to at least show their names when banning someone from their instance. Cowards
Nah, you got banned for good reason, you’re an incredibly racist, homophobic, far-right Euronationalist. Your attitude towards the global south is straight out of the colonial era.
You got me right on euronationalist, the rest of your comment shows how little you understood about me. But that’s normal, you cannot fathom a left position which is not for a totalitarian regime based on an idea of communism which should have been terminated once the USSR fell ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I understand you perfectly well, you’re an open book. You’re an anti-communist, homophobic, racist Euronationalist, ie a fascist. It’s pretty clear-cut. Nationalism in the global north perpetuates imperialism, fascism is anti-communist, you think people in the global south are ethnically inferior and you tell queer people that they need to not be offended by your homophobia. There’s no possibility you could be anything other than far-right, be it socially or economically.
The worst kind of cope, as soon as you are presented with the truth of the matter, that Russia is a rogue state breaking international treaties by moving an unnecessary war to a neighbouring country, you immediately cope out by comparing fiscal sanctions placed by a completely different state not even on Russia directly to an all out war and, at the same time, you use the same reasoning presented by the USA you seem to reject to justify the atrocities of the Russian regime. Moreover, it was the USA who “broke the treaty” (I’d love to see exactly which points of the treaty were broken by imposing sanctions, as the treaty was to avoid armed conflicts and does not mention sanctions as far as I am aware), by imposing sanctions over Belarus, why isn’t Put-it-in attacking the real villain of this story (in your eyes) but an innocent country and people instead?
Your kremlin-loving justifications never make any sense as long as one can think about them for more than a second; it’s astounding how wrong can a human being be on such an easy issue to understand
Ukraine’s government isn’t innocent, they have been ethnically cleansing ethnic Russians post-Euromaidan coup. Ukraine is not all Nazi, the Nazis in Ukraine are largely in the government of Ukraine and in fascist groups now folded into the government and millitary officially. I’m not wrong here at all, you still haven’t explained how Nazis committing ethnic cleansing is okay.
And you still haven’t provided neutral evidences of what you call “ethnic cleansing” while I’ve provided you a report showing a steady decrease in violent deaths between 2014 and 2022 produced by the UN while Russia was still sitting in the board and confirmed the numbers cited.
Also, how is Ukraine still capable of fighting against Russia if the majority of its people are not nazi and should be against their government according to you? Wouldn’t they be fighting alongside the russian should they want to be freed from their “tyrannical” government? And yet they are still fighting almost 4 years into this war. Unbelievable how much they love tyranny in that country
I gave western sources that are biased against Russia and pro-Kiev still admitting to the ethnic cleansing campaign. Secondly, war in Ukraine is unpopular! They have to rely on forced conscription to keep the war going. There’s a decent amount of nationalists in Ukraine that support the Banderites just like there are a decent number of MAGA supporters outside of the government in the US Empire, but by and large the war is unpopular. That’s also why Kiev is finally trying to concede and reach a peace deal.
You’ve got this thought terminating ideology where if something disagrees with your far-right narrative, you immediately disagree with it, even if the sources are from outlets that share your world view.
Western sources that are bought and paid by the kremlin like Pim Tool, Benny Johnson and all those involved in the Tenet Media scandal? Thanks but I prefer official sources instead of unverified and biased blog posts.
The war is so unpopular that russian hasn’t been able to conquer no complete control on those regions still under its occupation. They are so beloved by Ukrainians that they cannot even have a stable form of government due to the lack of administrative personnel. What a support from the common population!!!
Another thing are the eventual crimes committed during the war. Both Ukraine and Russia are doing terrible acts in this war and indipendent tribunals should be able to keep the perpetrators of such acts accountable once the war will end. But, ask yourself, had Russia not started this war would these war crimes ever been committed? The answer is no, of course, so in my eyes Russia still is the root cause for all the needles suffering both these countries are going through
Sources like the BBC, New York Times, The Guardian, The Hill, Jacobin, Reuters, The Natiob, and Al Jazeera are “paid by the Kremlin?” I know fascists like you thrive on irrationality, but there’s a limit to denying reality.
From davel’s compilation:
Ukraine ethnically cleansing the Donbass region, which popularly supports Russia, is what started the war. The Euromaidan coup is what kicked off the war in 2014, Russia entered in 2022 after the Minsk agreements failed. Had NATO not couped Ukraine, the war would have never happened.
…And they deleted their July 2023 account.
I didn’t delete shit, I was banned because there weren’t any counterarguments to the points I was presenting in my replies (which were also removed as well, would you look at that!). The best part is that the moderator who banned me is being kept anonymous, what a courageous bunch we got on lemmy.ml (≧▽≦) (≧▽≦)
Wow, that’s certainly a reaction.