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    Good news. BEVs save the car industry, which is destroying cities, but it really hurts the oil industry, which destroys the world.

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    Although this is likely to never happen in the States, the fact that a large number of other countries like Canada and most of Europe are making these changes means it’ll become impractical to keep a separate line of ICE engines going as demand for electric vehicles grows worldwide.

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      This is happening in some of the States. California, Oregon and New York have bans for 2035 and Washington state even for 2030. The New England states seem to want to ban it too by 2035. Hawaii looks at a 2030 ban.

      That would be a third of the US population.

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        That is not quite settled. The development of a new model takes something like four years and the basic tech a bit longer. The more places ban it, the more brands will actually honor their fossil phase out.

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          Eh, I have a genuinely hard time believing that companies who rely on what’s going to eventually be ‘free’ and ‘clean’ energy aren’t going to capitalize on it and make bank. Especially with the cultural zeitgeist of younger generations hating on fossil fuels.

          It’s a fools errand to invest in fossil fuels. In the end, those fuels can just be shipped to your local power plant anyway until better nuclear comes along.

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            The Saudis have active plans to work with car makers to sell super cheap IC cars into the African market. Qatar owns a 17% stake in Volkswagen already. That might be used for similar purposes.

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              Africa is prime for solar in large swaths of the continent though. It’s really only rainy seasons when it gets sketch which can be supplemented.

              It takes that Chinese and Russian infrastructure first though aye.

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    Cars are a dead-end technology that leave too many people dead by collisions and even more from unsustainable infrastructure.

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    It’s crazy to think how far BEV range will be by then too.

    Unfortunately, I’m sure far right wing nutjobs will still convince themselves somehow that masculinity is dependent on owning a diesel/petrol engine

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    Zero-emission vehicles - which include battery electric, plug-in and hydrogen models - must represent 20 per cent of all new car sales in 2026, 60 per cent in 2030 and 100 per cent in 2035, the source said on condition of anonymity.

    So “plug-in” would be PHEVs I’m assuming?

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        phev should not be allowed. they’re not zero emission. Fuck Toyota for knowingly championing hybrid tech which extended petrol cars for decades.

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          Disclaimer: I don’t think PHEVs are zero-emission. And I don’t know why Canada thinks they are. With that said, let’s carry on…

          Since hybrid cars have less fuel consumption and the range of those vehicles don’t suffer as much in colder climates, I do think it’s a nice transitional technology between ordinary ICEs and full battery EVs.

          Once we reach the point where charging stations especially fast charging stations are commonplace (it still isn’t the case here sadly) though, it can go straight to the dustbin of history.

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      It’s not. It’s just acknowledging the reality that with a lot of countries (including the EU) and several states of their southern neighbour putting bans on combustion-engines in place for 2030-2036 that industry will simply be dead.

      Not banning them by 2035 would have the exact same result as you simply don’t buy anything but an EV when that’s the only option left by then.

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      It’s not a decade out though; it starts phasing in in 2026:

      Zero-emission vehicles - which include battery electric, plug-in and hydrogen models - must represent 20 per cent of all new car sales in 2026, 60 per cent in 2030 and 100 per cent in 2035, the source said on condition of anonymity.

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    The cold weather there is terrible for Lithium batteries. This plan will never hold with current EV tech

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      The cold weather there was terrible for gas engines too. It’s definitely viable with what we have.

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        This is great news to me. I have been thinking that they were doomed in cold weather. Maybe they are well insulated?

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          You would want one that has a heat pump. It does lose range in cold weather of course, but function is never a problem. Mine has a range of 400-500km in summer, and 300-350km in winter.

          That said, it doesn’t get colder than -15–20°c where I live.