I think it works pretty well in real life too. Nevertheless, I’d be thrilled to see an emergent economic simulation game that was serious enough that you could imagine it reflecting reality. That you could test out real economic politics and see how they work out.
I don’t think there’s such a thing. And also, economics is hella boring so it could be that an accurate game like this would also necessary be a bit boring.
Reading an actual book on economics makes it impossible for a benevolent individual to be a communist, at least without a physically painful amount of cognitive dissonance.
Do you feel angry or depressed often? It’s cognitive dissonance. ;)
Reading an actual book on economics makes it impossible for a benevolent individual to be a communist, at least without a physically painful amount of cognitive dissonance.
Oh, you sound really informed on this. What books of marxist economics have you read to come to this conclusion? What theory of subjective value based economics books?
I mean, I’ve just spent over a decade studying various schools of economics, maybe you have much more insight than me on this topic.
You’re literally a self described libertarian lmao
Anyway, stop dodging the question. What economic writings have you read from Marx that you’re basing your opinion of Marxist economics on? What problems did you have with them?
You’re literally a self described libertarian lmao
Yes, well, some people are braver than others, and are thus able to declare what they believe in. What do you believe in?
Anyway, stop dodging the question. What economic writings have you read from Marx that you’re basing your opinion of Marx on? What problems did you have with them?
There’s a bit of a “oh, you like economics? Describe all economic theories then.” vibe here but I guess I started it. Sorry about that.
I don’t know why you would bring Marx into this. He was a philosophist, not an economist or a politician. As a philosophist, he was correct in many of his observations, the problem comes from trying to actually implement in the real world some of the things he said.
Historical materialism & class struggle for instance. He describes the change from feodalism to capitalism as it happened but then goes deep into conjecture land in fantasizing the future change to socialism and communism. When this was violently experimented with in 1900s, it didn’t go at all as he described. The class struggle is not inevitable at all, and only happens with a combination of bad leadership and agitation (check lemmygrad.ml for practical modern examples of latter). His idea of classless society was basically speculative science fiction, and still is.
I disagree with many points of his critique of capitalism. For instance, the value of a product or service is not derived from the labor put to it, but the value of the product or service to whoever is buying it. Thus surplus is a valid concept.
I disagree that wealth concentration is a fundamental problem. In the grand scale, more individual wealth leads to more individual happiness, so the important thing is that everyone’s wealth increases. If my neighbor gets 100x richer in real wealth in the time I get 2x richer, I will still be 2x richer. It only becomes a problem if those figures are 100x and 1x or worse, or if he uses his 100x wealth to buy an army to take my stuff, and my claim is that this is not happening in most of the capitalist world.
I think it works pretty well in real life too. Nevertheless, I’d be thrilled to see an emergent economic simulation game that was serious enough that you could imagine it reflecting reality. That you could test out real economic politics and see how they work out.
I don’t think there’s such a thing. And also, economics is hella boring so it could be that an accurate game like this would also necessary be a bit boring.
Privileged, child, or petite bourgeois aspirations?
Asshole, stupid or communist? Oh wait, that was redundant.
Yeah, to be a communist you have to be stupid enough to read books on economics.
Reading an actual book on economics makes it impossible for a benevolent individual to be a communist, at least without a physically painful amount of cognitive dissonance.
Do you feel angry or depressed often? It’s cognitive dissonance. ;)
Oh, you sound really informed on this. What books of marxist economics have you read to come to this conclusion? What theory of subjective value based economics books?
I mean, I’ve just spent over a decade studying various schools of economics, maybe you have much more insight than me on this topic.
Of course you have, dear.
You’re literally a self described libertarian lmao
Anyway, stop dodging the question. What economic writings have you read from Marx that you’re basing your opinion of Marxist economics on? What problems did you have with them?
Yes, well, some people are braver than others, and are thus able to declare what they believe in. What do you believe in?
There’s a bit of a “oh, you like economics? Describe all economic theories then.” vibe here but I guess I started it. Sorry about that.
I don’t know why you would bring Marx into this. He was a philosophist, not an economist or a politician. As a philosophist, he was correct in many of his observations, the problem comes from trying to actually implement in the real world some of the things he said.
Historical materialism & class struggle for instance. He describes the change from feodalism to capitalism as it happened but then goes deep into conjecture land in fantasizing the future change to socialism and communism. When this was violently experimented with in 1900s, it didn’t go at all as he described. The class struggle is not inevitable at all, and only happens with a combination of bad leadership and agitation (check lemmygrad.ml for practical modern examples of latter). His idea of classless society was basically speculative science fiction, and still is.
I disagree with many points of his critique of capitalism. For instance, the value of a product or service is not derived from the labor put to it, but the value of the product or service to whoever is buying it. Thus surplus is a valid concept.
I disagree that wealth concentration is a fundamental problem. In the grand scale, more individual wealth leads to more individual happiness, so the important thing is that everyone’s wealth increases. If my neighbor gets 100x richer in real wealth in the time I get 2x richer, I will still be 2x richer. It only becomes a problem if those figures are 100x and 1x or worse, or if he uses his 100x wealth to buy an army to take my stuff, and my claim is that this is not happening in most of the capitalist world.