Having a separate, open source JavaScript engine is in everyone’s interests even if they don’t know what they’d lose without the Mozilla Foundation and Firefox. I’m a web developer and Mozilla has protected the open web for all of us and if people understood what they’ve done, they’d all donate.
Google and Microsoft cannot and should not control standards. Mozilla is the conscience of the industry. Support it or you won’t know what you lost.
I was donating until I got an email telling me to donate more signed by their CEO or something who earns a couple hundred thousand a year.
Mind, I wasn’t opted into communcation like that. Only updates and news this was neither. If their new CEO cleans house and refocuses as they said they will, I will consider renewing my donations again.
She earned 7 million and then asked for 3.5 million in donations iirc.
A couple hundred thousand is a pittance if he’s keeping shit together. When CEOs push 500 to over a million at a nonprofit, that’s absurdity.
She received 6.9 million dollars in 2022 and 5 million in 2021, 3 million in 2020.
CEOs are scum who do not earn anywhere near close to that. They should be lucky to get a couple hundred thousand.
And fuck Firefox having the nerve to ask for donations.
She.
And how are they keeping anything together. Market share isn’t substantially better than before and rather than focusing on the product mozilla was created for they keep pivoting to weird BS like this AI grab. I actually think market shares gone up recently… cause google pushed through manifestv3. That would’ve happened even if mozilla did nothing. I think mozillq is still the better browser but that sure as hell doesn’t seem to be because of whose in charge.
When CEOs push 500 to over a million at a nonprofit, that’s absurdity.
If any CEO should make this much, I think it’s the one helping to keep browser choice a thing
The CEO of the Mozilla Corporation shouldn’t be asking for donations. It’s the non-profit Mozilla Foundation which collects donations (and owns the Mozilla Corporation). It is a bit confusing, yes…
…and, more importantly, none of the donations go towards Firefox development. Instead they go towards “causes” that Mozilla Foundation finds worthy, and usually they have nothing to do with the open web.
@amju_wolf @Ephera _Exactly right_
Support it or you won’t know what you lost.
Note that the best way to support it is to actually use its products, Firefox in particular. That’s what gives Mozilla the ability to influence the direction of the web and web standards.
They actually have money in the bank, they just aren’t profitable on their own in any way, and rely on search partnerships for yearly funds. I think they are just being responsible here and cutting people who aren’t working on relevant projects going forward.
I’m not saying they are the right size. Just that if we lose Mozilla and Firefox, it’ll be almost as bad as losing Wikimedia for certain things. We need to protect the open web.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think Mozilla (the foundation) is still involved with Firefox, so chance that your donation won’t go toward maintaining the engine. https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/what-we-do/
Mozilla (the company) manages Firefox and doesn’t seem to accept donation. They do accept manpower contribution: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Contribute
Yeah, employing this many employees, the donations would not cover it and you can hardly guarantee a stable job position. It might take just one scandal (whether it’s true or not) for everyone to stop donating.
The Mozilla Foundation uses donation money rather for political activism and they’ve also often distributed money to important open-source projects which are too small to collect donations.
@Ephera @redcalcium I don’t mind them using funds on activism directly related to privacy and an open web but they have been blowing huge amounts on far left political causes unrelated. That’s why I ignore donstion requests.
The problem is that the vast majority of end users prefer apps over websites. They have no clue whatsoever that 99% of all apps are essentially just wrapped websites.
Since Mozilla has been unable to find a viable business model (No, relying on Google handouts is not a viable business model) I fear that there is only one possible future and a free web is not part of it.
This is the only realistic answer. Corporations have effectively decided that the future of the web is closed source proprietary javascript bloatware apps that are all functional skinner boxes. Many people, especially young people, have no clue how to use an actual computer. It’s “click the bubble to make it pop and give us your mom’s credit card number to unlock super premium bubbles.” That’s the future of the internet. But probably worse.
@mindlight @ShittyBeatlesFCPres When they took away SSB’s (aka PWA) in Firefox 86 and utterly refused to reconsider, that was the end for me. Idiots
In a memo sent to employees Mozilla says it wants to bring “trustworthy AI into Firefox”. To help it do this sooner it’s merging its Pocket, content, and AI/Ml teams.
Yeah, I’m not sure this is the “renewed focus” we’re looking for, chief
Hmm. Yeah might be a big mistake if they add more bloat.
Absolutely. I suppose the AI stuff could be disabled in config but it would still be more dead weight to download with every update, like Pocket and the other shit they built into the browser.
Despite Firefox’s declining marketshare on desktop the browser is in use health. It’s fast and feature enough to hold its own against its rivals
Huh?
AI
No AI writes this badly
No, they usually write this worse. If this is Mozilla’s AI they’re fucking up something fierce.
And a bad one too. Modern LLMs can write flawless English at 7B.
Yeah that’s badly written, but Firefox is actually gaining de desktop marketshare now!
(According to gs.statcounter.com)
Yes, focus on your main thing. It’s the thing that makes you matter. I want your browser to stay competitive.
In a memo sent to employees Mozilla says it wants to bring “trustworthy AI into Firefox”. To help it do this sooner it’s merging its Pocket, content, and AI/Ml teams.
That’s pretty concerning. It could go either way but I assume they are going to try to shove more sponsored content in an effort to further monetize Firefox in spite of getting hundreds of millions of dollars a year in donations. Maybe I’m just cynical about Mozilla though.
Yes, the change of focus is good news overall but there’s still reasons to be concerned about Mozilla. It’s good that they are moving focus back to Firefox from struggling ancillary projects.
But what they want to do with that additional focus could be a problem. Another round of gimmicks with some newer buzzwords isn’t likely to help Firefox.
The actual news is “renews focus on AI bullshit”.
I want an API to control firefox with ny own text gen open source AI. Locally and offline.
I don’t understand what this is for or how it applies
Edit:
Oh wait… ok I think I get it. Maybe tjis is what I need then. If I can just, list tab titles, read tab content, move tabs around, close tabs, open tabs from the console cli, then that coyld be it.
There are paid APIs that make this simpler, but I didn’t look them up because the OP is about self hosted software.
And this only just after they enabled a whole raft of add-ons in their mobile browser that have already stripped away so much shit from my daily browsing experience.
I switched last year when Google entered their new phase of ad tracker evil and I bet I wasn’t the only one. Feels to me like Firefox fucked with the money and they’re being brought to heel.
What? They’re laying off people working on a metaverse platform, mozilla.social, and other assorted products nobody cares about. They’re doing exactly what everyone said they should do, slimming down and focusing on Firefox
fediverse*
I’m sorry but what word are you trying to replace? I can’t tell
They misinterpreted “metaverse platform, mozilla.social” as a single item in the list, not as two items.
For anyone who isn’t aware, Mozilla has a thing called Mozilla Hubs that could be considered a metaverse product
A I see, thank you for clarifying,.I was genuinely confused
Grammatically it can be properly read either way, but I think you’re right that’s probably how they meant it.
Metaverse. mozilla.social is the fediverse
I know, they had also opened a thing called Mozilla hubs, something I consider metaverse product, like the other person said, I am aware mozilla.social is a fediverse platform
Cool, I’m liking this new Mozilla already! …NOT!!!
Why? Isn’t it good that Mozilla is focusing on Firefox instead of a host of random shit?
That’s some serious spin there in the title.
In a memo sent to employees Mozilla says it wants to bring “trustworthy AI into Firefox”. To help it do this sooner it’s merging its Pocket, content, and AI/Ml teams.
Eww.
I’ll need to switch browsers soon. I do not want AI crap.
Edit - There is also the reduction in their privacy services (VPN, Relay etc.). This could be the start of a trend in that direction too. Only time will tell.
When they say ai, I think they mean stuff like the tra elation feature in Firefox, not those stupid obnoxious ai sidebars
Use librewolf
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Where’s saving a page as pdf on mobile
Menu -> Print -> Save as PDF
ALSO: Menu -> Share Icon -> Save PDF
One method is built-in, the other uses the system’s PDF saver. You have the choice on which to use.
Damn, when did they add the print function in android. I remember when you couldn’t print a year ago.
I found it, it was added at the end of last year Firefox for Android ver 118. I can finally disable chrome on android.
I think the big thing is for them to get company to actually make money.
Fuck Pocket with your AI dick Mozilla, just leave me a toggle in about:config to turn it off or I’ll find a fork that has none of that shit.
I think you might enjoy Librewolf
They finally woke up
I hope to be optimistic too but I’d hold on to the cheers for a bit still personally
