The US market is such a weird one. Apple owns more than 80% of all teens over there and Android might struggle to expand there in the future. However, outside the US, Android is still prevalent in many markets (and will grow in many third world countries), iMessage isn’t that used, and blue/green bubble argument does not exist.
'Murican Android user here. I’ve never gotten any shit pertaining to iMessage compatibility or this chat bubble color thing. I think what we’re hearing about is just a few toxic circles being presented as the norm for everyone here.
That’s alright, you tried. Looks like people understood the intent and had a good laugh. One of my dyslexic wife’s better misspeaks was taking a guess at “Jormungandr”, and she went with “Juggernaut”. Gorilla warfare certainly is a more fun image to picture.
I used to think the same, until it happened to me twice…
I got playful groans both times for being the only person in a class group with an Android. I have an iPad so it ended up being a non-issue.
Heck, I was talking to a guy with a Pixel 7 who said the woman he was dating thought it was a red flag. She’s 28.
I’m not saying it should exist, but stuff like this very much affects people whether we like it or not and pretending like it’s a non-issue doesn’t help them.
I’m convinced that it’s purposeful sabotage on Apple’s part because if there’s one Android user in a group chat iMessage fucks up images/videos/effects for all recipients. So being the lone Android holdout gets you pressured to switch
It’s more than that. Apps used to take screenshots of the screen instead of trying to work their way through the camera apis in Snapchat for example, at least in the past. There’s also just bad camera out there. My Pixel 6 Pro is terrible for document scanning given its sensor size. The edges are always blurry.
Europe is a pretty similar situation with WhatsApp, where everyone is kind of forced to use that same platform, just luckily WhatsApp is available on iOS and Android.
Or Facebook Messenger, which I kind of have to use to talk to my relatives and some friends around the world.
Doesn’t have the same weird pressure to use one device manufacturer like in the US though, but trying to get someone (let alone everyone) to add you on Telegram or Signal can be a similar struggle, if they don’t see a value in the effort required to switch apps just for you.
Fair enough, but then it’s the same issue to try and convince them to add you on WhatsApp (or iMessage) if they use Telegram. The point is that these are all platforms that we similarly end up stuck on, depending on what most people in our community landed on. In that way it’s not so different to the situation in the US.
People only want to use one messaging client for all their contacts, and as long as the clients remain closed platforms, we are prevented from just using whichever client we individually prefer, we have to use the platform decided on by the community, or fight an uphill battle to get everyone to reluctantly install a second messaging app just for us.
I don’t want to call the kids stupid. It’s the Network Affect. Apple has a sleek design and like two phones. Android it really uneven in quality and capabilities between mid range end high end. I’ve been on Androids since 2012 and love them. I can however understand why iPhone caught on and then you’re friends are on they’re and you want to be. Social pressure doesn’t make kids stupid just human.
It’s not just the message color thing. It seems like more kids these days just can’t solve anything themselves. Like ok, they want to live their entire lives on their cell phone, but they have no knowledge of how the phones work or what any of the hardware inside does. Any problems with anything and it’s just “broke” and they have nearly unlimited information at their fingertips, but don’t know how to look anything up to try and actually solve a problem.
Generally, people like to chat to other people using their phones. And generally, people aren’t going to install a new messenger app just for you.
Sure, you could convince them to install Signal, after a couple of weeks. But most likely, they’ll just discuss things in the old iMessage group without you every now and then, because that’s what they use for literally everything else.
You could add an Android phone to an iMessage group, which disables encryption and forces everyone to fall back to MMS, a protocol that was bad at its job decades ago when it was first designed. Blurry, tiny pictures, and often lacks the ability to text while only connected to WiFi because of weird carrier stuff.
In areas where MMS has been disabled by carriers (like where I live), SMS groups are basically a copy of every message sent to every other person, and multimedia support is nonexistent. No GIFs, no attachments, only text, and it takes a moment for every message to get sent.
Most people I know are on WhatsApp. I dislike WhatsApp, but if I uninstall it, I just can’t chat to most of my family anymore. My previous attempt to try to get them to install Signal for me failed, and I don’t think my next attempt will succeed. At least WhatsApp is more secure than something like SMS or RCS (the RCS that iPhones will eventually get, not the RCS that only works between Androids) but the reality is that there’s just no getting around other people when it comes to chatting with them.
Crazy this is like needing Whatsapp on steroids. Literally needing such a crap locked down tracking device just because the US doesnt have the balls to force apple to open up
Mate, I’ve never once been pressured to use an iPhone in the states. Not sure what any of that has to do with international travel where chat platforms are phone-agnostic. No one using whatsapp cares about my Pixel.
It’s not international travel. I live with my wife in her country. International calling and texting is expensive.
So I can just get a use an iPhone with iMessage or convince my immediate and extended family and professional contacts to use a different chatting app.
or convince my immediate and extended family and professional contacts to use a different chatting app.
I’m sure at least your family will happily just install Signal, WhatsApp or so in order to avoid excessive monetary cost to you. What kind of family wouldn’t?
It very clearly does. If they can’t get all their contacts on other chat apps because they’re on iPhones then how could you possibly say it has nothing to do with iPhones?
But imessenger works over the internet. It’s not an SMS service so the carrier has nothing to do with it. im in tons of groupchats with imessenger recipients. never had a problem except with apple purposefully downgrading all media. my phone has wifi calling so I can receive my sms messages anywhere I can get service.
Their point was they don’t want to deal with the carrier so they want to message over data. However the people the wish to contact don’t have chat apps so they use iMessage. Yes obviously they should just download another app but you can’t force someone to do that.
I’m just pissed that apples dominance has neutered good competitive Android phones in the US. There’s only a few higher end Android phones to pick from and none have even a microsd card slot anymore. Let alone a headphone jack or replaceable battery. I have the ability to replace my note 20 ultra battery (current phone and last high end Samsung with a microsd card slot) but Samsung won’t sell the batteries and the aftermarket ones are hot garbage. I may have another tear or so before I’m forced to get a new phone just because of that.
Yeah. I don’t really want the Chinese backdoor secret data sending phones. It’s bad enough our own government is probably doing it to us. I really liked my LG V40. Wish LG stayed in the market.
The US market is such a weird one. Apple owns more than 80% of all teens over there and Android might struggle to expand there in the future. However, outside the US, Android is still prevalent in many markets (and will grow in many third world countries), iMessage isn’t that used, and blue/green bubble argument does not exist.
Really boggles us non-Americans about the allure of iMessage.
'Murican Android user here. I’ve never gotten any shit pertaining to iMessage compatibility or this chat bubble color thing. I think what we’re hearing about is just a few toxic circles being presented as the norm for everyone here.
I wouldn’t be surprise if it was a gorilla marketing campaign.
I believe you mean “guerilla marketing” campaign.
Dyslexia but thanks all the same
That’s alright, you tried. Looks like people understood the intent and had a good laugh. One of my dyslexic wife’s better misspeaks was taking a guess at “Jormungandr”, and she went with “Juggernaut”. Gorilla warfare certainly is a more fun image to picture.
It’s more fun the other way. And I wouldn’t be surprised if the possibly came up in some meetings when Harambee was trending.
It’s more common with teens (80% of which are on iPhones here). Teens will grow up, and become adult iPhone users.
As I recently former teen who never had an iPhone, the only place I’ve heard it talked about is California, but in Midwest/South nobody cares.
I used to think the same, until it happened to me twice…
I got playful groans both times for being the only person in a class group with an Android. I have an iPad so it ended up being a non-issue.
Heck, I was talking to a guy with a Pixel 7 who said the woman he was dating thought it was a red flag. She’s 28.
I’m not saying it should exist, but stuff like this very much affects people whether we like it or not and pretending like it’s a non-issue doesn’t help them.
What’s funny is thinking that’s a red flag is itself a red flag.
If I was dating someone who revealed they’re focused on petty shit like that, I’d be worried about a relationship full of drama.
It’s a kid thing, mostly.
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There’s a good chance you’re left out of separate chats.
I’m convinced that it’s purposeful sabotage on Apple’s part because if there’s one Android user in a group chat iMessage fucks up images/videos/effects for all recipients. So being the lone Android holdout gets you pressured to switch
It falls back to MMS which is terrible.
And specifically falls back to a very small mms, something like 100kb instead of 3mb for images.
That’s why you always hear crap about androids having terrible cameras - most people only experience them through excessive apple compression.
It’s more than that. Apps used to take screenshots of the screen instead of trying to work their way through the camera apis in Snapchat for example, at least in the past. There’s also just bad camera out there. My Pixel 6 Pro is terrible for document scanning given its sensor size. The edges are always blurry.
Remember that you’re often talking to teens on the internet, lol. And for them it’s more of a peer pressure thing. Apple got em good.
Europe is a pretty similar situation with WhatsApp, where everyone is kind of forced to use that same platform, just luckily WhatsApp is available on iOS and Android.
Or Facebook Messenger, which I kind of have to use to talk to my relatives and some friends around the world.
Doesn’t have the same weird pressure to use one device manufacturer like in the US though, but trying to get someone (let alone everyone) to add you on Telegram or Signal can be a similar struggle, if they don’t see a value in the effort required to switch apps just for you.
Not all of Europe, the further east you go the more telegram is used.
Fair enough, but then it’s the same issue to try and convince them to add you on WhatsApp (or iMessage) if they use Telegram. The point is that these are all platforms that we similarly end up stuck on, depending on what most people in our community landed on. In that way it’s not so different to the situation in the US.
People only want to use one messaging client for all their contacts, and as long as the clients remain closed platforms, we are prevented from just using whichever client we individually prefer, we have to use the platform decided on by the community, or fight an uphill battle to get everyone to reluctantly install a second messaging app just for us.
The difference is at least Telegram seems to care a bit more about privacy than Meta
Stupid kids decided it was a status symbol and no one in the states really uses third party message apps.
I don’t want to call the kids stupid. It’s the Network Affect. Apple has a sleek design and like two phones. Android it really uneven in quality and capabilities between mid range end high end. I’ve been on Androids since 2012 and love them. I can however understand why iPhone caught on and then you’re friends are on they’re and you want to be. Social pressure doesn’t make kids stupid just human.
It’s not just the message color thing. It seems like more kids these days just can’t solve anything themselves. Like ok, they want to live their entire lives on their cell phone, but they have no knowledge of how the phones work or what any of the hardware inside does. Any problems with anything and it’s just “broke” and they have nearly unlimited information at their fingertips, but don’t know how to look anything up to try and actually solve a problem.
iMessage does not exist in Europe. I have never ever seen someone use it.
I hate that it’s used so heavily in the states. It’s the biggest reason that I’m still using an iPhone over Android.
I live internationally and it’s too difficult to convince my contacts to switch. Just not worth the trouble.
Why you let people decide for you what phone you use? I moved here and every single one of my friends have WhatsApp even though they use iPhone.
Generally, people like to chat to other people using their phones. And generally, people aren’t going to install a new messenger app just for you.
Sure, you could convince them to install Signal, after a couple of weeks. But most likely, they’ll just discuss things in the old iMessage group without you every now and then, because that’s what they use for literally everything else.
You could add an Android phone to an iMessage group, which disables encryption and forces everyone to fall back to MMS, a protocol that was bad at its job decades ago when it was first designed. Blurry, tiny pictures, and often lacks the ability to text while only connected to WiFi because of weird carrier stuff.
In areas where MMS has been disabled by carriers (like where I live), SMS groups are basically a copy of every message sent to every other person, and multimedia support is nonexistent. No GIFs, no attachments, only text, and it takes a moment for every message to get sent.
Most people I know are on WhatsApp. I dislike WhatsApp, but if I uninstall it, I just can’t chat to most of my family anymore. My previous attempt to try to get them to install Signal for me failed, and I don’t think my next attempt will succeed. At least WhatsApp is more secure than something like SMS or RCS (the RCS that iPhones will eventually get, not the RCS that only works between Androids) but the reality is that there’s just no getting around other people when it comes to chatting with them.
Crazy this is like needing Whatsapp on steroids. Literally needing such a crap locked down tracking device just because the US doesnt have the balls to force apple to open up
Mate, I’ve never once been pressured to use an iPhone in the states. Not sure what any of that has to do with international travel where chat platforms are phone-agnostic. No one using whatsapp cares about my Pixel.
It’s not international travel. I live with my wife in her country. International calling and texting is expensive.
So I can just get a use an iPhone with iMessage or convince my immediate and extended family and professional contacts to use a different chatting app.
It’s just easier to use an iPhone.
I’m sure at least your family will happily just install Signal, WhatsApp or so in order to avoid excessive monetary cost to you. What kind of family wouldn’t?
It’s more about professional contacts.
Use email
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What you said has nothing to do with an iphone.
Ok
It very clearly does. If they can’t get all their contacts on other chat apps because they’re on iPhones then how could you possibly say it has nothing to do with iPhones?
What does a contact list have to do with a phone? Does the iPhone lock you out of even proper contact management?
No, contacts as in the people they want to contact.
It does when it is one person trying to get a group of people trying to switch platforms.
But imessenger works over the internet. It’s not an SMS service so the carrier has nothing to do with it. im in tons of groupchats with imessenger recipients. never had a problem except with apple purposefully downgrading all media. my phone has wifi calling so I can receive my sms messages anywhere I can get service.
Their point was they don’t want to deal with the carrier so they want to message over data. However the people the wish to contact don’t have chat apps so they use iMessage. Yes obviously they should just download another app but you can’t force someone to do that.
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I use Google Voice to text people
It’s definitely prevelant in the UK. Although not as much as in the USA by far.
I’m just pissed that apples dominance has neutered good competitive Android phones in the US. There’s only a few higher end Android phones to pick from and none have even a microsd card slot anymore. Let alone a headphone jack or replaceable battery. I have the ability to replace my note 20 ultra battery (current phone and last high end Samsung with a microsd card slot) but Samsung won’t sell the batteries and the aftermarket ones are hot garbage. I may have another tear or so before I’m forced to get a new phone just because of that.
Agreed. The fact that Samsung S phones lack memory card slots leads me to getting A phones instead.
A lot of people tell me that Chinese phones also have memory card slots but I am not touching these phones at all.
Yeah. I don’t really want the Chinese backdoor secret data sending phones. It’s bad enough our own government is probably doing it to us. I really liked my LG V40. Wish LG stayed in the market.
Wen i see those post about a fuking color bubble and some are shamed for that it’s juts pathetic to see honestly .