• CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    I am not going to vote for trump, but I can see which party is using the government to attack him and how terrible the current admin has been doing.

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      Yes, holding a person accountable for their crimes (maybe, jury is still out) is attacking them…

      Unless you’re talking media coverage. Cause we all know that the media is an arm of the government…

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        maybe, jury is still out

        Actually, for the New York civil fraud suit, Trump forgot to ask for a jury trial. But the judge very much found him guilty. In the E Jean Carol case, he was found guilty by not cooperating with discovery, and the jury was pretty clear on the 92m damages.

        So nah, the jury has made up their minds.

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          Fair, I intended that more as an idiom really. I mean whether or not the punishment goes through. He’s so damned slippery I’m not taking anything as truth until the buildings have been seized/ he’s in jail.

          But yeah, they did make up their minds there.

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        Yes I am aware of the line “TRUMP BAD CRIMINAL!!!” so you guys cant see when malicious prosecution is happening. The facts are right in front of you, you can either follow your team to the countries destruction, or call out injustices. I already know you are going to just be a team player.

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            It’s terribly rude to force rich white people to deal with the consequences of their illegal actions.

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            I suppose I might have used the word malicious wrongly because I am not a lawyer, but what i was referring to was all of the cases. I am in real estate and know the real estate one very well, and that is absolute bullshit, and he did nothing wrong. That is what I meant by the words malicous prosecution.

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          Is this not the point of a trial? To ascertain fact and adjudicate appropriately? Hell, this is explicitly the point of a grand jury, to determine if a trial is merited in the first place. And they’ve found, several times, that taking the charges to trial is justified. Not even that he’s guilty, but that it’s worth looking into.

          Additionally, what facts am I missing? He wasn’t exactly subtle with seeking to commit crimes (“Only stupid people pay taxes” comes to mind as a softball, but the fact that he was never held to the emoluments clause also stands out. Plus all the fraud and rape). Where is the misunderstanding in all this? He was found to be a rapist by a judge. He was found to have committed fraud by a different judge.

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            The misunderstanding isn’t yours, it’s the general publics understanding of the legal system and it’s processes. Which has been misinformed by decades of American criminal dramas like Law and Order, CSI, and NCIS. No one in this thread will go to rich people court like Trump gets to, we all get regular court if we get the privileged right to a court date. So when misinformed Trump supporters hear the judge ruled from the bench they see an overreach. When Trump’s legal team presented such a bad defense and showed a complete disregard for the court and it’s ruling in their opinion it wasn’t his team who did a bad job, but a judge who never gave him a chance.

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              I imagine the mental gymnastics are way easier if you’re uninformed about how things work.

              Does it qualify as bad faith if I ask my previous questions knowing that he had nothing and/or complete unhinged nonsense?

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        Palestinians are literally starving to death because this administration gave your tax dollars to the AMIC to arm Israel for a genocide. The entire world sees what we’re doing and abhors it. I don’t pretend it would be somehow better under Trump, but this is not good by any definition.

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          The only things that the Biden administration has done that’s bad is genocide obviously, but a little genocide never hurt anybody… I guess you could try blaming him for inflation or gas prices, or the fallout of COVID-19, but that would be kind of dumb

          You can, of course, say he hasn’t done enough, which wouldn’t be wrong, but the things he’s done have had a pretty positive effect on the country and have brought us at least a little closer to the left – even with an opposing congress. I can’t say I like how he treats, say, nationalism and the Middle East, but he’s at least somewhat redeemed himself from just being a “moderate Republican” I would say. At least his administration has brought in officials who are tougher on corporations, even if he’s still a corporate Democrat.

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            See the problem I have with the Israel argument is that a Trump admin would go even harder on supporting Israel, soooo

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              From a humanitarian perspective I think he’s already shown how he would act.

              Palestinians - they’re great people but not for America, it’d be a shame if someone were to…

              We don’t need his rhetoric :(

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            The Biden regime still routinely kidnaps immigrant children from their families and puts them all in concentration camps.

            “A little bit left” my whole ass.

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              I don’t remember a time where kidnapping people and putting them into concentration camps away from their families made something not left, actually it seems pretty common in former and current communist countries lol…

              but actually i meant “slightly more left” in the sense of economic-social matters, not… killing or kidnapping people matters. he has done quite a lot to improve social services and lessen the financial fuckedness of many government programs, for example.

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                I don’t remember a time where kidnapping people and putting them into concentration camps away from their families wasn’t left, actually it seems pretty common in former and current communist countries lol…

                The funniest part of this shitty rhetoric is you thinking that former communist countries are left wing. No, when the US overthrows your left wing government and installs a right wing dictatorship/psuedodemocracy thats actually a right wing system now.

                What an incredible admission to not knowing shit about dick and still being ignorant enough to think your opinion matters.

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                    You used present tense for former communist countries.

                    Also, your whole thing is literally just repackaged blood libel about those “judeo-bolsheviks”. Which is less funny but even more pathetic.

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              Could you give me a recent source about these kidnappings? And if it’s the unaccompanied immigrant children which haven’t been kidnapped, then please don’t even bother.

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                  “The Supreme Court ordered Abbott to let Border Patrol remove the razor wire barriers. Instead—acting in defiance of the president, the Supreme Court, and federal authorities—Abbott installed more.” … Then some stuff about congress blocking decisions… dunno… Doesn’t sound like it’s all on Biden. Especially since, like most of the stuff that people are complaining about, it stated with Trump. And it’s been getting better just not fast enough. Which, again, not saying Biden is doing his best, but it doesn’t sound like it’s all his fault, does it?

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                    You literally didn’t read the full article did you

                    like most of the stuff that people are complaining about, it stated with Trump

                    Oh, well if it just started under Trump, that’s fine then. As long as Trump did it first, it is okay if Biden continues doing it.