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        For the planet? Doubt it, the amount of primary forests being razed to grow soy, displacing local wildlife be it flora or fauna, and especially with locals, usually already living in difficult situations before being forced to move, is horrid.

        I am glad college gave me the habit of fact checking myself, turns out I was wrong as fuck. True, soy is a water intensive but not as water intensive as many other crops or meat. And a lot of companies buy cheap land, raze what was there, “poison” the soil with specific fertilizers that change the properties of said land so the soy can prosper, while also alienating the local plants, however most companies that do this, do it to feed livestock, since soy is very efficient and resilient when compared to most livestock feed.

        Plus, only about 6% of soy is destined for human consumption, about 90% of it is used as a cheap livestock feed. I still oppose to veganism from a moral standpoint, and consider that buying local would make a far greater impact, but now I can go back to buying tofu without feeling guilty.

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          It is great that you could bring up the curiosity to bust the soy myth.

          There is no moral consumption of animal products. Many people a lot smarter than both of us (or at least mor dedicated / funded / in their jobs) have made the research and come to this conslusion as well.

          The most people who oppose this fact feel attacked at first because it can’t coexist with their own behaviour. It is the same as with every debate where emotion gets brought up as a reasoning though (e.g. refugees, climate change, homeopathy, etc.).

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            I like how you engage politely, and nourish discourse. Part of the issue is the fact that time and money are not commodities that I sadly posses, and when the behemoth of the meat industry has bribed their way into massive subsidies, to the point where they can sell oven-ready beef patties for a dollar each, which sure, I can go cheaper and more tasty with lentil patties, but the time and effort they take, that is time that thanks to capitalism and exploitation, I don’t posses.

            And the added inconvenience of having to carry your food everywhere, be hungry or pay for the outrageously overpriced vegan options out there, when one can instead just buy a hot dog without even breaking a stride.

            Personally I don’t have a moral issue with killing animals for food, but the industrialization of the practice is immoral and dehumanizing. I have raised chicken and goats for food, and when you do it in a sustainable, cruelty free way, I am fine with their deaths, but capitalism and the race for profits make it impossible to do, due to the competition being a soulless, entirely for profit, global machine.

            Thanks capitalism.

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    This is why I generally don’t like most vegetarians and vegans.

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      To poor for vegetables, lentils, beans, grains, and tofu? Meat imitations are currently expensive, but aren’t at all necessary.

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        No dude, to poor to even buy food sometimes. I have to eat with the money that I have at the time. If there’s a promo on the frozen burger tha’t what I’m eating. Yes too poor for vegetables. I’m sorry if some of us are poor. You may not think so but being vegan or even only vegetarian IS a luxury

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      I feel what you mean. But if you are willing to change, i woukd suggest to exchange meat with other protein sources when ever possible. I can highly recommend saitan!

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    I don’t have anything against vegans/vegetarians etc. but the old joke: How do you know a vegan? they are going to tell you. Really is just true, huh?

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      Not really. I avoid telling people unless it comes up because I don’t want to be harassed or interrogated. I’m sure I’m not the only one who does that.