Look at here and the people who complain about it being too hard to figure out are the ones complaining about “I can’t use muh slurs, this is awful.”
“The left of today is very much in favour of censorship to avoid “harm.” This makes those of us in the middle very wary of signing up to any partisan media.” /u/decidedlysticky23
/u/misshapensteed claims he isn’t far right, but explictly only posts on PoliticalCompassMemes and TheLeftCantMeme and KotakuInAction.
If they are too stupid to figure out we know they’re lying, they’re too stupid to figure out lemmy.
That is the one thing that still makes me unsure of whether I should fully support Lemmy or not. I know how the federation works and that those communities can be easily excluded, but what is off to me is that the two main devs of Lemmy itself (and the Android app) are themselves tankies.
Even if that is true, it shouldn’t bother you I think. You have to let people have their convictions. The alternative is The Ministry of Truth. :)
I would generally agree, but tolerance should not extend to the point of accepting genocide denial and defense of clear-cut authoritarianism. See here for the general concept.
Tankies make the (imo) correct assumption that the US (or the west in general) engages in imperialism and is responsible for a huge amount of problems in the world, in addition to general atrocities, but then somehow decide the everything and everyone that opposes the US is perfectly fine and does no wrong. It’s baffeling.
Regardless, the whole point of a platform like Lemmy is that it’s creators have no control over it, by design.
Sure but look at some of the discussions in the US…they are also completely convinced that the US is the best country in the world.
It’s something with certain human beings it seems, that makes them want to join a team and defend it, no matter if it has flaws and is obviously incorrect at times. They connect their self confidence to their country I guess.
Fascists and red-Fascists have no place in discourse. In part because their engagement is never good-faith.
We are talking about developping open source software. To be clear, you’re saying you disagree with using copyleft software written by people whose politics you disagree with.
Not so much, more that I am concerned about ways they will use their influence for evil.
As authoritarians seem to all but inevitably do. I can’t say I’ve known any single tankie to every be involved in a community project for long without trying to purge or poison it.
There was some chatter somewhere about beehaw.org assessing kbin as an alternative. I don’t think kbin is ready for primetime in that way yet, but I would be supportive of Lemmy instances converting when the time is right given that the two main developers of Lemmy are the two main admins of the tankiest instance
I heard of kbin too and on paper, it looks like a viable alternative. But as you’ve said, Lemmy is (as of now) more robust, and getting Reddit users to switch to something even less mature seems like a hard sell. With the Reddit blackout coming soon, Lemmy is just in the prime position to grab all the refugees, most of which will probably never find out about the main devs.
I think there needs to be a diversification of who develops Lemmy to include more people who aren’t authoritarian apologists. You’re never going to agree with everyone you interact with, but sometimes you’ll agree with someone you generally disagree with. Architecturally, I think the concept of Lemmy is very sound, but there’s a very strong argument that programming is a form of communication, and the messaging that Lemmy is designed for is ungood
What does this mean exactly, what is kbin and how does it fix the problem vrojak is talking about? You’re still using code developed and maintained by lemmy admins, no?
No. Kbin is a completely different fediverse software entirely
Ohh, I see. I thought lemmy was the only one with the following-communities-over-people design.
It’s certainly the most mature, but there’s also KBin and Prismo. Prismo looks to be abandoned and kbin is super early in its development. It looks like there’s a few other link aggregator software programs for the fediverse, but none of them have that much documentation or servers
Can you reference who the main devs are?
@nutomic@lemmy.ml and @dessalines@lemmy.ml
Thanks. Dessalines is the one confirmed to be ‘problematic’.