Those things aren’t mutually exclusive. Yes, they are dumping massive resources into SMIC. Yes, they also want to maintain imperialism over Taiwan, and TSMC is a part of that. Some of it is fear-mongering sure, but China is consistently confrontational in the South China Sea and beyond. There’s a reason they enforce an abrasive naval presence there and continue to press against the Philippines.
they also want to maintain imperialism over Taiwan
Not to deny the realities of the tensions there, but liberals are relatively loose with term imperialism. There is a difference between an imperialist state like the US and an anti-imperialist — and until recently imperialized — state like China.
China is consistently confrontational in the South China Sea and beyond
The US state department doesn’t decide which countries own or control which territory, now does it? How exactly can you say territory you don’t control (neither legally nor militarily) and likely will never control is part of your own country? Furthermore, why would the US risk ruining trade relations with China over unnecessarily pointing out reality, when it doesn’t benefit the US to recognize Taiwanese independence?
I’ll say it again: Why would countries risk ruining trade relations with China, one of the three most important trade powers internationally, over unnecessarily pointing out reality and thus contradicting China? And how can you seriously say territory a country doesn’t control in any capacity at all theirs? Why do you think a majority of world powers are independently trading with Taiwan if Taiwan isn’t independent from China?
Don’t you think China would, you know, not be constantly complaining about not having control over Taiwan for the past few decades and making bluffs about invading if Taiwan were already part of China? That’s a pretty obvious sign that “no, China doesn’t own Taiwan in any capacity”.
What you’re doing here is called sophistry. Taiwan being part of China is a fact that’s recognized by international law. It’s really that simple. The reality is that China could remove US sponsored regime in the rogue province any time they want. However, they realize that it’s much better to remove burgerland influence in a peaceful way, and that’s what will happen. It’s incredible how people have trouble grasping such basic things.
edit: I aboslutely love how utterly enraged lemmy radlibs get when faced with reality
What you’re doing here is called sophistry. Taiwan being part of China is a fact that’s recognized by international law.
Tell me you have no idea how the UN works without explicitly saying so. A majority of countries not recognizing Taiwan doesn’t mean it’s “international law” that Taiwan isn’t independent.
It’s really that simple. The reality is that China could remove US sponsored regime in the rogue province any time they want.
LMAO this is such a cope. Yeah I’m sure the extremely aggressive all-bark-no-bite and constant “you better not do <x diplomacy with Taiwan or military action in Taiwanese strait/South China Sea> again or we’ll do something about it, I swear!” empire is suuuper capable of taking Taiwan. They know if they tried full-out war against the US or its allies (Taiwan), the US navy would cut off their international trade and turn their country upside down – it’s why they’re trying so hard (and failing) to seize full control of the South China Sea.
However, they realize that it’s much better to remove burgerland influence in a peaceful way, and that’s what will happen.
Again, absolute cope. They’ve been at it for over 75 years and haven’t made any progress, considering Taiwanese have developed significantly more national identity and even more people in Taiwan support the country participating in international relations under the name “Taiwan” (80%) and consider themselves primarily Taiwanese (90%), and only 6% consider themselves more Chinese than Taiwanese (more people considered themselves primarily Chinese many decades ago but that has long since dwindled).
It’s incredible how people have trouble grasping such basic things.
It’s incredible how you have trouble grasping the situation and think China is going to “peacefully” absorb Taiwan when Taiwan is farther from China than ever in terms of national identity and international participation.
Several polls have indicated an increase in support of Taiwanese independence in the three decades after 1990. In a Taiwanese Public Opinion Foundation poll conducted in June 2020, 54% of respondents supported de jure independence for Taiwan, 23.4% preferred maintaining the status quo, 12.5% favored unification with China, and 10% did not hold any particular view on the matter. This represented the highest level of support for Taiwanese independence since the survey was first conducted in 1991. A later TPOF poll in 2022 showed similar results.
Tell me you have no idea how the UN works without explicitly saying so. A majority of countries not recognizing Taiwan doesn’t mean it’s “international law” that Taiwan isn’t independent.
I think you just told us that about yourself.
LMAO this is such a cope.
Proceeds to write a bunch of cope. 😂
. They know if they tried full-out war against the US or its allies (Taiwan), the US navy would cut off their international trade and turn their country upside down – it’s why they’re trying so hard (and failing) to seize full control of the South China Sea.
You losers can’t even prop up Ukraine against Russia, and think you can take on China. The sheer delusion here. Burgerland economy would collapse overnight. Go check where all your shit comes from sometime. 😂
It’s incredible how you have trouble grasping the situation and think China is going to “peacefully” absorb Taiwan when Taiwan is farther from China than ever in terms of national identity and international participation.
You’re like the living embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
I’ll keep this short since you already seem extremely unhinged and half the stuff you wrote is basically empty insults.
You losers can’t even prop up Ukraine against Russia, and think you can take on China.
Remind me how long that “10-day special operation” is taking again? Seriously, how can the “2nd best military in the world” falter so hard against their tiny neighbour with 1/4 of the population just because they got weapon donations from other countries? It shouldn’t be that hard to counter right, I mean Russian military technology is allegedly so advanced and totally not stuck in the 80s. I would understand if it were half-way across the globe or something, but they’re LITERALLY ON THEIR DOORSTEP. It’s also concerning that China has repeatedly failed Russia when it comes to Ukraine and has caved into international pressure quite a few times, maybe it’s because China also realizes that the war is completely embarrassing Russia?
The sheer delusion here. Burgerland economy would collapse overnight. Go check where all your shit comes from sometime. 😂
The US navy has a larger airforce than the entire Chinese airforce, and the US has a larger and more advanced air fleet than the next 5 countries (Russia, China, India, SK, Japan) combined, and invests 3x as much as China into the military (and that’s what, 13% of the US’ budget?). The US navy also has over 2x the displacement of the Chinese navy. Spending is DEFINITELY not a problem considering that.
I literally said that exact same thing in my original comment, it goes against your point lmao. The status quo is defacto independence and “Taiwan, not China”. Notice how unification is by far the least popular response in what you linked, and has decreased in popularity significantly over decades. And of course, gaining independence eventually has increased in popularity over multiple decades. Is this part of China’s grand plan, to make unification with them less popular over time?
LMAO, China can just blockade the province and the economy there would crash overnight.
The only real metric to determine whether Taiwan is part of China is to ask the people who live there. And guess what, this is what they say:
Yeah, I agree, especially after all the NED sponsored propagandists are kicked out. Meanwhile, even despite US having a massive presence in Taiwanese media, the only reason DPP got in power was using first past the post mechanic.
Latest polling shows that vast majority of people want to maintain the status quo:
You have an island governed by a democratically elected government, with a population that from what I remember mostly doesn’t want to be assimilated into the PRC. The PRC taking it by force would, in my eyes, be rather imperialistic.
democratically elected? arguable and only for the last few decades at that. it was run as a brutal single party dictatorship backed by amerikkka until fairly recently. And last time i checked the vast majority of people in Taiwan want to maintain the status quo which is that Taiwan is part of China.
And then China popping their head out claiming Taiwan is part of China because they want to seize TSMC
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Those things aren’t mutually exclusive. Yes, they are dumping massive resources into SMIC. Yes, they also want to maintain imperialism over Taiwan, and TSMC is a part of that. Some of it is fear-mongering sure, but China is consistently confrontational in the South China Sea and beyond. There’s a reason they enforce an abrasive naval presence there and continue to press against the Philippines.
https://www.ft.com/content/b4ee2e18-3256-4371-8369-9a3118959fca
Not to deny the realities of the tensions there, but liberals are relatively loose with term imperialism. There is a difference between an imperialist state like the US and an anti-imperialist — and until recently imperialized — state like China.
Yeah why so confrontational, China?
Foreign Policy, 2013: Surrounded: How the U.S. Is Encircling China with Military Bases. And that article is a decade old; it’s only gotten worse.
The US has over 750 overseas military bases around the world, and is building more to further encircle China. Meanwhile China has one anti-piracy base in Djibouti.
Buddy, that’s literally what US state department claims on their official website:
The US state department doesn’t decide which countries own or control which territory, now does it? How exactly can you say territory you don’t control (neither legally nor militarily) and likely will never control is part of your own country? Furthermore, why would the US risk ruining trade relations with China over unnecessarily pointing out reality, when it doesn’t benefit the US to recognize Taiwanese independence?
the us has literally asserted taiwan is part of china for decades now.
under the kissinger term, no less.
This is also the position of the UN, and vast majority of countries in the world. Taiwan is part of China, get over it.
I’ll say it again: Why would countries risk ruining trade relations with China, one of the three most important trade powers internationally, over unnecessarily pointing out reality and thus contradicting China? And how can you seriously say territory a country doesn’t control in any capacity at all theirs? Why do you think a majority of world powers are independently trading with Taiwan if Taiwan isn’t independent from China?
Don’t you think China would, you know, not be constantly complaining about not having control over Taiwan for the past few decades and making bluffs about invading if Taiwan were already part of China? That’s a pretty obvious sign that “no, China doesn’t own Taiwan in any capacity”.
What you’re doing here is called sophistry. Taiwan being part of China is a fact that’s recognized by international law. It’s really that simple. The reality is that China could remove US sponsored regime in the rogue province any time they want. However, they realize that it’s much better to remove burgerland influence in a peaceful way, and that’s what will happen. It’s incredible how people have trouble grasping such basic things.
edit: I aboslutely love how utterly enraged lemmy radlibs get when faced with reality
Tell me you have no idea how the UN works without explicitly saying so. A majority of countries not recognizing Taiwan doesn’t mean it’s “international law” that Taiwan isn’t independent.
LMAO this is such a cope. Yeah I’m sure the extremely aggressive all-bark-no-bite and constant “you better not do <x diplomacy with Taiwan or military action in Taiwanese strait/South China Sea> again or we’ll do something about it, I swear!” empire is suuuper capable of taking Taiwan. They know if they tried full-out war against the US or its allies (Taiwan), the US navy would cut off their international trade and turn their country upside down – it’s why they’re trying so hard (and failing) to seize full control of the South China Sea.
Again, absolute cope. They’ve been at it for over 75 years and haven’t made any progress, considering Taiwanese have developed significantly more national identity and even more people in Taiwan support the country participating in international relations under the name “Taiwan” (80%) and consider themselves primarily Taiwanese (90%), and only 6% consider themselves more Chinese than Taiwanese (more people considered themselves primarily Chinese many decades ago but that has long since dwindled).
It’s incredible how you have trouble grasping the situation and think China is going to “peacefully” absorb Taiwan when Taiwan is farther from China than ever in terms of national identity and international participation.
I think you just told us that about yourself.
Proceeds to write a bunch of cope. 😂
You losers can’t even prop up Ukraine against Russia, and think you can take on China. The sheer delusion here. Burgerland economy would collapse overnight. Go check where all your shit comes from sometime. 😂
read and weep ignoramus https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4657439-china-doesnt-need-to-invade-to-achieve-taiwanese-unification/
You’re like the living embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Latest polling shows that vast majority of people want to maintain the status quo, and very few people want independence, but do go on child https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7801&id=6963
I’ll keep this short since you already seem extremely unhinged and half the stuff you wrote is basically empty insults.
Remind me how long that “10-day special operation” is taking again? Seriously, how can the “2nd best military in the world” falter so hard against their tiny neighbour with 1/4 of the population just because they got weapon donations from other countries? It shouldn’t be that hard to counter right, I mean Russian military technology is allegedly so advanced and totally not stuck in the 80s. I would understand if it were half-way across the globe or something, but they’re LITERALLY ON THEIR DOORSTEP. It’s also concerning that China has repeatedly failed Russia when it comes to Ukraine and has caved into international pressure quite a few times, maybe it’s because China also realizes that the war is completely embarrassing Russia?
The US navy has a larger airforce than the entire Chinese airforce, and the US has a larger and more advanced air fleet than the next 5 countries (Russia, China, India, SK, Japan) combined, and invests 3x as much as China into the military (and that’s what, 13% of the US’ budget?). The US navy also has over 2x the displacement of the Chinese navy. Spending is DEFINITELY not a problem considering that.
Damn, an opinion piece news article. Guess that destroys the entire American military and truly shows that China numba one.
I literally said that exact same thing in my original comment, it goes against your point lmao. The status quo is defacto independence and “Taiwan, not China”. Notice how unification is by far the least popular response in what you linked, and has decreased in popularity significantly over decades. And of course, gaining independence eventually has increased in popularity over multiple decades. Is this part of China’s grand plan, to make unification with them less popular over time?
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LMAO, China can just blockade the province and the economy there would crash overnight.
Yeah, I agree, especially after all the NED sponsored propagandists are kicked out. Meanwhile, even despite US having a massive presence in Taiwanese media, the only reason DPP got in power was using first past the post mechanic.
Latest polling shows that vast majority of people want to maintain the status quo:
https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7801&id=6963
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has been part of china for 2000 years, anglo imperialism wont change that
Pretty sure China has actually been a part of Taiwan for 2000 years
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It just writes itself lmao
Tankees. Tankees everywhere.
the angry wasp nest has spoken
You have an island governed by a democratically elected government, with a population that from what I remember mostly doesn’t want to be assimilated into the PRC. The PRC taking it by force would, in my eyes, be rather imperialistic.
democratically elected? arguable and only for the last few decades at that. it was run as a brutal single party dictatorship backed by amerikkka until fairly recently. And last time i checked the vast majority of people in Taiwan want to maintain the status quo which is that Taiwan is part of China.
Yeah, fuck the KMT. But as you have recognised, they aren’t a dictatorship anymore.
And the status quo is that they are de facto a small independent island nation, that is de jure claiming mainland China.