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      May I introduce you to Christians? Or how about the GOP? MAGA would like to also have a word. I could go on…

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      “Part of my religion is forced evangelism. The government getting in the way of me forcing my religion on others violates my Freedom of Religion.”

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        The funny thing is that religion is sort of like a contagion in that sense. Religions that encourage their followers to proselytize spread faster and further, much like viruses that hijack cells and force them to produce more viruses.

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      Nope, but it does work toward balancing the scales of power, and christian cis white men hate that with a passion, and they conflate any perceived loss of power with oppression.

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    This is one of the things that bother me with people being anti-trans. Why the hell do they care? There is nothing, NOTHING that trans people are asking for that bother me, because it does not affect my life. I don’t see how it affects theirs either.

    There are two things I know little about when it comes to trans.

    1. How to make it fair in sports, but I really don’t care for sports. So I haven’t researched it. Don’t really care if they participate, but I don’t take sports seriously anyways.

    2. How to protect vulnerable people from themselves. This is probably contraversial, but I am for giving trans people the treatment they need to transition, or at least make sure it is possible at a later stage by giving hormones / blockers. So that they can transition a bit older.

    However (the controversial part) many trans people are vulnerable and also struggle with other issues and operations is often permanent. This is something that I don’t believe is easy to decide, I am ignorant here, I trust medical professionals, psychologists, psychiatrists and the trans community to come up with guidelines / practice here. It is however not something that I think politicians should decide, or is competent in deciding.

    The only reason I care about point 2 is to protect people from mistakes, not to stop trans people from transitioning!

    Thanks for reading my rant 😊

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      How to make it fair in sports, but I really don’t care for sports. So I haven’t researched it. Don’t really care if they participate, but I don’t take sports seriously anyways.

      I personally don’t think sports should be gendered, but people should be placed in different “leagues”.

      Similar to how chess players with similar ratings play with each other.

      Atheletes should be categorized by skill, regardless of gender.

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        Fun fact, a recent study reported that cis women have an advantage over trans women in sports due to their higher testosterone levels allowing them to build more muscle mass.

        You know, the same argument transphobes use against letting trans people be athletes because of their supposed “biological advantage.”

        Which is the same one that’s been used for almost a century now to ban black women from women’s sports due to their naturally higher testosterone levels when compared to white women.

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          As if they give a shit about science. They only use it when the results match their worldview. Otherwise they just ignore it.

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          Fun fact, a recent study reported that cis women have an advantage over trans women in sports due to their higher testosterone levels allowing them to build more muscle mass.

          It’s more nuanced than that. It depends on how long you’ve lived as a male before transitioning and how long ago you transitioned. Also not all trans people are taking hormones.

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            How long you’ve been taking hormones is the important part. How long you’ve lived as amab only really matters until a certain point, as it’s very difficult to maintain muscle mass from before you started hormones. And afab people have to build up muscle mass even when they start taking testosterone.

            And yes, not every trans person is taking hormones or even will. But I have yet to hear of a single example of a trans person in regulated sports who wasn’t competing in the division of their gender while on HRT. Even the preteen kids were on puberty blockers.

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        it’s already the case. nothing is stopping women competing in so called male leagues. I wonder why they don’t … must be the patriarchy.

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        Atheletes should be categorized by skill, regardless of gender.

        Radical feminists don’t want that kind of equality, and it could get the ball rolling for equivalent pay for male models / adult film actors. I lack any strong opinion on the subject but have no interest personally in watching men’s beach volleyball. -When you disregard the draw of the event when it comes to pay; you’re messing with the financials surrounding the event. -May as well go full bore communism then. Let people be forced to work and starve so they can learn that capitalism and the traditional ways (outside of religious influence) weren’t so bad.

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          Let people be forced to work and starve so they can learn that capitalism and the traditional ways (outside of religious influence) weren’t so bad.

          Do you really think people aren’t already being forced to work and starve under capitalism? How much do you think your job pays the janitor? What about fast food workers? Mailmen? Do you think they’re all living comfortably and can easily afford food and rent?

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      Yeah, I’ll be honest and say that I do not understand what it means to be transgender. And I will never understand. It doesn’t matter how many trans friends I have or how many times people try to explain it to me. I won’t ever fully get it.

      But why in the ever living fuck should it matter whether or not I get it? Just let people live how they want to live!! I don’t understand why it’s so complicated for Christian fundies to understand that. How in the world are trans people harming anyone by existing? You don’t have to “get it” to understand that people just want to live their fucking lives in peace.

      One of the biggest things people bring up is the sports issue, like you said. To people’s credit, I actually don’t think there’s a great solution to the sports problem. But pro athlete trans people make up only a tiny fraction of trans people so I don’t understand why it should randomly be used to invalidate all trans people.

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        Just let people live how they want to live!! I don’t understand why it’s so complicated for Christian fundies to understand that.

        What makes you think Christian fundies have ever been about “Just let people live how they want to live!!” which appears to be a 1970’s hippie inspired slogan?

        Almost the complete opposite of what Christians and Jews and especially Muslims are about.

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      Did you think about: They’re icky?

      … 🙄

      Also if someone could link where I could get one of these stickers that’d be great :)

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      I think you underestimate the degree to which late 2010’s pronoun compliance demands superceded the “live and let live” mantra the success of the LGBT movement depended on.

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      They only care because they were told to care. It’s a distraction and satisfies their desire to punch down on vulnerable people. They are spineless cucks who want daddy trump to tell them what to think.

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    It does something negative to my life- namely it makes me very scared for their safety. Especially in the U.S.

    But that is not their fault. It’s the fault of the bigots who hate them for existing.

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    Put it on your car and take another picture to show that you did. Being an ally for internet clout isn’t enough. Sorry for posting a bunch on a single thread, I guess I kinda care a lot about this.

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      If I could get by without putting the registration sticker on my car I would.

      I care passionately about a number of causes but my GTi doesn’t appreciate any extra weight and my fast wins every time.

      I do slap them on my rabbit beater that goes to the hardware store and dump though

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    Is the use of what looks like the Black Legion because they are trans humans? They are very much a danger to humans. Or is the Emperor here a symbol of intolerance.

    Even tho’ I agree with the sentiment of the sticker… Tbh in a real life situation I will side with the Emperor every time as it in the lore is the only thing that stops my soul from being devoured by warp spawn when I die. Fuck traitor space Marines.

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      Yeah, I take great offence at the use of Black Legions for this otherwise nice message.

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        Not even slightly offended. I have no issues with the trans community. Just pointed out the inconsistency in the use of WH40K related iconography. Would think a custodes (that now even have confirmed female members, much to the chagrin of the basement dwelling neck beards) would be a better choice.

        I love the 40k setting, but I am also wary when it is used outside of that setting as it is really not a nice place, and often the people who idolizes it are not nice people.

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    Oh wow I saw this bumper sticker in the wild yesterday and I couldn’t tell what the image on the left was.

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    I feel like I should tattoo the verses they seem to ignore on their foreheads backwards so they have to see it every time they look in the mirror: Love thy neighbor as thyself and Judge not lest ye be judged. Hypocrites.

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    I’ve never seen anybody IRL complaining about trans people. I think the whole thing is a media-powered storm in a teacup.

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      The US bible belt is real, and so is the spite for anyone who “threatens” their norms or traditions.

      Sit in a restaurant in rural SC for a day. You’ll see just how casual the racism and bigotry is.

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      My guy, I got yelled at at a stop light for having a “pedophile flag” (a pride flag) on my car. Those people do actually exist.

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        Do you think it’s a significant proportion of the population or is it a “loud minority” phenomenon?

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          only having 20% of the population wanting you dead instead of 50% for the incredible crime of… wearing a skirt, doesn’t make it any less of an issue

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          If half of a percent of the people who voted for trump are the same kind of violent crazy as the ones who stormed the capitol that’s hundreds of thousands of them across the US. I feel like that’s a pretty significant number one way or another.

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      I’ve had some people in friend circles who’ll start going off on weird anti trans tangents when they’ve been drinking a tad too much. They exist, I think most are just less vocal outside of the internet.

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      Years ago, my mother told me she wasn’t opposed to gay people, she just didn’t like “how they have to be so in your face about it.” Wtf? Do gay men at the grocery store accost you and make you watch them make out?!

      That’s why I believe that trans people are being attacked in real life. Also, I know that what we see on the internet and television bleeds into real life.

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      My father tries to make jokes about trans people in public. I have brought over two trans friends who I felt like I couldn’t have around because of my parents views. They wonder why I’m trying to move away from them.

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      Far from the most egregious example, but I was hanging out at a buddy’s place one day, and given the parking situation, a couple of our cars were awkwardly parked on the side of the road. It wasn’t much a problem for drivers, but we were both illegally parked according to the law, both taking up similar amounts of road space, with both cars being roughly the same size.

      The only car that was ticketed was the car with the trans flag bumper sticker.

      Cops are certainly bothered by their existence, at least here in the southeast.

      Ask a trans person, they’re going to have at least one story of somebody taking issue with them existing while trans. Usually multiple.

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        I worked with my (trans) ex for a bit as an after school instructor. We were contracted out, didn’t have our own spaces so we borrowed classrooms. The teacher we were borrowing from really didn’t like us (the company, not individuals. At least at first) so she liked to hang out and watch us to make sure we didn’t mess up her classroom.

        At one point, I was making friendly conversation with her and my, at the time, partner came over and started chatting as well. They mentioned being trans, and then shocker this greying mound of filth started misgendering them, despite getting it right before they knew they were trans.

        I think we only lasted like 3 more days in that classroom before I got into a yelling match with this woman for constantly making my job as hard as she could, which resulted in us getting moved into a different room

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        I’ve been harshed for each of : wearing shorts, having long hair, being white and walking in the dark. Among others.

        None inspire me the way you are inspired. Maybe it’s a social media thing.

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      Wow, lucky you.

      While I won’t argue that the media is causing a number of problems thinking it’s a storm in a teacup is your privilege showing. Even though I live in one of the most trans accepting places on the planet I have had the unique experience of having to sneak past protesters who are trying to remove people like me from public life, using slurs over megaphones and openly marching hundreds strong in the streets… And again this is rated one of if not the most trans friendly place in the world. There is no safer place to go.

      It’s a lot harder to see it as a storm in a teacup when the world is dramatically becoming a smaller place for us personally because laws keep passing that people do not understand or do not care how they actually impact us. The media doesn’t report a lot of us who are murdered even when it’s a hate crime. This year in the US there was 41-ish such hate motivated crimes which is near double 2023’s total… But we can’t be sure of the actual number because a lot of the time the transness of the victim and the nature of the motive is obscured by the media reporting. Some of the media shenanigans only gets caught only by loved ones as media frequently uses vagueness and dead names that friends and community members don’t recognize because that person hasn’t gone by that name for decades.

      Your opinion comes from the fact you don’t personally have a horse in the race so whether you engage with it or not is a choice. The safe places are radically shrinking. The next government projected to win federally here is known to be openly hostile to trans people and I know that at least one of my friends will die directly as a result from them removing the supports currently in place. So enjoy the storm you aren’t living friend but realize saying it doesn’t exist is really crass to those who cannot find shelter.

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      I’m not going to try to change your mind here. Changing someone’s mind means taking care to massage their emotions, make them feel good about themselves and you, and get them to make the decisions on their own for their own reasons. It’s a lot of work. I’m going to skip it.

      Have you considered that you might be stupid? I’m not joking. Seriously. Because “I haven’t personally seen it, so I don’t think it’s real” in this kind of context, maybe most contexts, is weapons grade stupid. What else don’t you believe in? Bacteria? France? Submarines?

      When you’re done being mad about being insulted, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_transgender_people might be a good entry point.