I don’t think there’s gonna be a Nuremberg trials this time around
The trials will be home brewed.
Americans don’t like being told what to do by foreigners.
This time around though, there will be no appeasement that allows for a Southern Strategy again.
You can evade justice if your Reich lasts long enough.
It’s sad when old corrupt criminals just outlive any repercussions, and the systems that shields them becomes the norm.
Let’s see how long this one lasts against one of the most well armed civilian populations in history, who have been fed a steady diet of the Right to Bear Arms, and Stand Your Ground.
The regime will be fucked the first time their ICE agents try to scoop a Don’t Tread on Me type in the middle of the night, and get a bullet salad for their troubles.
By now, even the most fervent supporters can see that if one of them gets scooped by mistake, there is zero mechanism to correct it, and they’re as good as dead.
More violence is coming to USA, that seems a given, but daily shootouts just means more resources to the “militia” the gov uses/chooses to use. And that can get normalised. And the percentage of gun-owners killed vs ICE agents killed acceptable (basically nobody can reasonably fight off an armed force on their own, it’s logistics, not a shonen match). Good TV news tho.
There is no deterrent in ICE getting shot on the job (that doesn’t affect Washington at all), the deterrent would be gun owners grouping together & taking on the gov as a force.
They did it during Black Lives Matter. Would cover their faces, remove their badges, and use rental cars to pull people off the street and disappear them. It’s happening now with ICE.
To be clear:
ICE agents have home addresses. They have lives away from work. People in their lives, from family members to acquaintances, who have direct knowledge of them being ICE agents.
Start collecting identifying information, that will help apprehend them after this regime falls.
When this regime falls; they won’t permit being voted out of office.
We need a wiki where regular people can document and store evidence on the nazis, fascists and enablers currently destroying America. Not just ICE, but everyone. A place where sleuths can unmask and put a name on the worst of them. Where hackers can upload ICE payroll or employee databases. Perhaps even put together an interactive map showing where these people live so their neighbors can be safe.
Once the bastards see their names in print with proof of their crimes out in public perhaps they’ll realize how short their future is. Otherwise it’ll come in handy for the trials.
Can we do it playing card style like they did with the 9/11 terrorists and pick them off one by one for funsies?
Like these websites that HF made. BTW, it’s been a few months since I’ve seen these, and there is a new button at the bottom that says if you are on their site and want to be removed, click there. It takes you to a form where you can upload evidence that you have resigned or been fired before they will remove you.
Be the change you want to see.
Start documenting.
Something like that would have to be ultimately physically hosted by someone outside the US to prevent it from being shut down so… Anyone got any foreign friends u/Hexonxonx@lemmy.dbzer0 can talk to?
Could host it as a .onion on TOR.
Access is important. People should be able to easily read it without specialized browsers.
That doesn’t solve the problem of needing a physical server with the data stored on it existing somewhere.
Right, but it doesn’t necessarily need to be physically located outside of the US. There’s always risks when dealing with the resources available to state-level actors, but a VPN with a foreign endpoint and Tor over that VPN would mitigate most of the risk.
Personally, I’d rather be safe and assume that it would still only be a matter of time before they found the server and took it down if it was within their jurisdiction. Best to keep it entirely out of reach.
Consider hosting it over Tor
Isn’t this essentially WikiLeaks?
I don’t think it really falls in the same category, but I do think a similar wiki format would work.
Yes, make it digital and public so it can be easily hacked, infiltrated, seized, and deleted.
Brilliant.
How so? Masked men grabbed Rumeysa Ozturk off the street, caught on camera and even questioned by passers by. I haven’t seen their identites released, and I don’t see how it will happen unless the federal government wants it to happen.
The video of Rumeysa being disappeared is so chilling. The passers by asking why they are covering their faces. They say they are police, but they are not wearing uniforms. It’s hard to hear in the video for me, but they’re just wrangling her like an animal. Taking her bag off of her back while she is terrified and turning in circles. Where is due process for anything? (This question is rhetorical. Sad that constitutional enforcement is a rhetorical point now.)
You’re speaking of the now.
I’m speaking about after this regime falls, and it’s time to to account for the crimes against humanity.
That’s so bold of you to assume they’re making the high school bullies do their own paperwork.
We couldn’t even get them to fill out a single page card for the national crime database.
They will be found through their record of employment.
Most of their agents are too stupid to understand that they’ll need to go into hiding when this regime falls.
Take the opportunity now to get their names and faces, so that it’s harder for them to slither away later.
We have meticulously kept personal records for the majority of all SS,SD,Gestapo and for a fair share of Wehrmacht soldiers. And due to the way German records work (mamdatory resident recording offices) and the fact that almost everyone was “involved” (almost all men were either with the SS, the Wehrmacht or other organs or belonged to the small number of people in jobs though important enough to be needes on the home front)the chances for people to actually evade were rather slim. Claiming you were not “not doing anything” wasn’t feasible and claiming you were with a unit that was “not doing anything wrong” was rather hard as well and could easily be disproved when none from that unit knows one. (Not to mention the SS tattoo)
The issue never were the few guys that made it to South America. The issue was never that people did not know who was a member of the SS or the Gestapo. The issue was that none fucking cared. The US couldn’t care less as long people were staunch anticommunist or helped them otherwise,the UK were a bit more involved but mainly wanted to get their own economy back up so the empire didn’t fall in shambles. The French did have a bit more vigor,but not for long. And the Germans just wanted to “leave shit behind them”.
And unlike the US we are talking here about a post -facism occupation period. This won’t happen. It will be, if the US will be able to overcome it within the lifetime of the current perpetrators(which, given the technology advances in mass suppression is not necessarily a given) a democratic revolution more like what happened in Spain or Chile. Look how it went there.
And… unlike paper which is harder to get rid off than people think, data can be deleted within short notice. Just as the last Trump administration did.
You’re having a fundamental misunderstanding of how effective crowd-sourced data collection can be.
And you fundamentally misunderstand how post- totalitarian societies work. It’s not about data availability but will to pursue these things. Which to some degree can be necessary to avoid final decomposition of civil cohesion.
Besides: Crowd sourced data collection is rarely viable as judical evidence. Very rarely. And then it becomes either a witchhunt or a nice to know thing but nothing more.
Whelp, best of luck to you and your contrairianism.
Then they’ll still need border guards, soldiers, police, judges. The “good German soldier” myth was created because if every Nazi were to be prosecuted, the nation would be paralysed.
They can just scrub everything before they lose power. Remind me what happened with the phones of the Secret Service when they were investigating Trump?
They are using Signal as we’ve seen with Leaky Pete. Signal deletes all the info automatically after some time. Since it’s an end to end encrypted messaging app nobody can recover those messages. Not even Signal themselves. Who’s to say they aren’t using in other instances as well.
And finally, Trump can pardon the lot of them and they will never see justice.
ICE agents have lives away from work.
There is a zero percent chance that any particular ICE agent does so without someone in their own social sphere know8ng about it.
Compile the lists.
The regime will fall.
They are using Signal
I just had a thought: are the Signal people MAGA? I don’t think these paranoid criminals would be using something outside of their control if they weren’t certain wouldn’t be compromised. I also don’t think they’re competent enough to self-host and distribute up-to-date app binaries to everyone on the team.
…and if Signal is supporting of MAGA, doesn’t that mean they’re a risk for anyone critical of them? Even if the app is end-to-end encrypted, anyone just downloading the app from an appstore is one automatic update away from being compromised.
Weren’t the Nazis meticulous about their records? The new crop know better than to leave a paper trail
They’re as skilled and aware as the January 6 insurrectionists.
They’ll all be found, and all will be ratted out by the communities that they’ve harmed.
The problem is exactly that. They were ratted. They got pardoned.
Human traffickers need to be dealt with only one way, and that’s in Yomi.
At the same time though, now that things like that are already out in the open it’s going to be a lot harder. I’ve already seen videos of people yelling at cops that are harassing and questioning alleged immigrants.
I doubt next democratic admin will do anything about it.
Y’all got too much faith in the regime.
If maybe if AOC gets it, but they will neuter her
We haven’t had a real president since JFC… Just useful regime whores
Jimmy Fucking Carter? John Fitzgerald Christ?
JFK*
But the irony is palpable
John fried chicken. It’s a southern term that you yankees wouldn’t get, don’t ya know. It refers to John, of the johnathan name, who first fried chicken. He did it a long time ago, don’t ya know.
Jesus fucking Christ.
I mean… This is also correct IMHO
These are going to be an easy Nuremberg Trials once we get past this
Are you saying that USA will find itself in Germany again?
How is the WiFi in Argentina these days
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