Ok I’ll bite. Fully reclining my seat shouldn’t be something that’s looked down on. The person slamming their knees into the back of my seat preventing me from fully reclining should be more looked down on. The reason is that reclining doesn’t intrinsically interfere with anyone else, but pushing your knees into someone else’s seat absolutely does.
All passengers have the same and equal freedom to recline their seat if they choose, except for the people in the emergency exit rows of course. It’s part of what you’re paying for when you buy the ticket. If that interferes with the knees of the person behind me that’s not my problem. The designers of the seats should ensure that fully reclining the seat doesn’t reduce knee room for the person behind me. The airline constructed this scenario all by themselves and if there’s a problem with it they should solve it themselves. I shouldn’t be asked to sacrifice my comfort on a flight I paid for (just like everyone else did) because they failed to do that.
If we’re really insistent that this is somehow not 100% the airline’s problem, I’d next argue that if you don’t have enough knee room in a regular seat with the person in front of you fully reclined, then you’re literally too big for that seat. You should buy a “comfort plus” ticket. The airline should force you to do so.
I’m 6’5". I’d love to hear your suggestions for what I should do with my legs when you recline your seat. Do you think I can just take them off? Am I supposed to sit sideways with my legs in the lap of the person next to me? Am I supposed to do Yoga for a year before I get on a plane, so I can spread my knees out 180 degrees from each other and you can lay your head on my dick?
I’m not “slamming my knees into the back of your seat”. They simply exist where you’re trying to be, and the fundamental properties of matter are causing them to collide. You can be as pissed about your comfort as you want to be, but it’s not going to change my knees into ethereal ghost knees so your seat can lean back.
People of all sizes are entitled to use the facilities they paid for equally. The airline should provide a solution for you, not the other passengers. You should patronize airlines that fulfill your needs and not patronize the ones that don’t.
I actually like the ultra low cost carriers that have solved this by simply not allowing the seats to be reclined.
Probably best you instead get seats with more leg room rather than blaming it on people leaning their seats back. Just like larger people should be buying two seats per airline rules, it’s just easier to either get an exit row seat or pay extra for a row with more room.
there is a difference between something being the airlines responsibility, and you still having some form of etiquette and thought for others when said airline wont fix the issue.
just because it shouldn’t be your problem doesn’t mean it isn’t. absolute individualism is a curse
If we acquiesce and make up for the airline’s failures by taking matters into our own hands, that just enables the airline to continue to not fix the issue. It’s the same thing as tipping at restaurants. We have to tip because the staff don’t get paid enough otherwise. The restaurant is passing off their shortcomings to the customers. The system only works because we agree to participate in it.
Unless it’s 9pm on an overnight flight you shouldn’t be reclining you seat.
Anyone reclining their seat to take a nap on a 2-3 hour flight is a dick, because the nap is not necessary. It’s just preventing the person behind from being able to use the table tray or read or watch their movie or work on their project in their laptop because their already limited space becomes unusable.
It also does absolutely jack shit in terms of comfort or sleep. People are obsessed with their half centimeter of recline for the same reason they are obsessed with cutting through side streets to avoid a single stoplight - because it is a petulant display of pointless sovereignty for miserable henpecked assholes.
You clearly don’t have many health problems. Not reclining the seat makes my arthritis flare up so bad I can barely walk, due to many airlines making their seats pretty much vertical. And if it didn’t make things more comfortable then why in the world would people even bother leaning their seats back at all? Have you ever considered maybe you’re the outlier here?
Ok I’ll bite. Blocking the whole aisle at the grocery store shouldn’t be something that’s looked down on. The person rudely interrupting my conversation should be more looked down on. The reason is that having a conversation doesn’t intrinsically interfere with anyone else, but interrupting us and walking in front of us absolutely does.
All shoppers have the same and equal freedom to have a conversation if they choose, except for the people without friends of course. If that interferes with the shopping of the person trying to get by me that’s not my problem. The designers of the grocery stores should ensure that the aisles are wider so they can get by me. The grocery store constructed this scenario all by themselves and if there’s a problem with it they should solve it themselves. I shouldn’t be asked to sacrifice my conversation when I’m buying groceries (just like everyone else) because they failed to do that.
If we’re really insistent that this is somehow not 100% the grocery store’s problem, I’d next argue that if you don’t have enough room to get by in a regular row, then you’re literally too big for that store. You should go fuck yourself. The grocery should force you to do so.
Pretty sure the people saying this behavior is okay are the same people who like to slam their seats into people’s knees on airplanes.
have you tried saying excuse me and not being a whiny little shit
Have you tried getting out in the world and not trying to compensate for a micropenis by looking tough on Lemmy?
I’m not being tough… it’s literally just “excuse me” come the fuck on
Ok I’ll bite. Fully reclining my seat shouldn’t be something that’s looked down on. The person slamming their knees into the back of my seat preventing me from fully reclining should be more looked down on. The reason is that reclining doesn’t intrinsically interfere with anyone else, but pushing your knees into someone else’s seat absolutely does.
All passengers have the same and equal freedom to recline their seat if they choose, except for the people in the emergency exit rows of course. It’s part of what you’re paying for when you buy the ticket. If that interferes with the knees of the person behind me that’s not my problem. The designers of the seats should ensure that fully reclining the seat doesn’t reduce knee room for the person behind me. The airline constructed this scenario all by themselves and if there’s a problem with it they should solve it themselves. I shouldn’t be asked to sacrifice my comfort on a flight I paid for (just like everyone else did) because they failed to do that.
If we’re really insistent that this is somehow not 100% the airline’s problem, I’d next argue that if you don’t have enough knee room in a regular seat with the person in front of you fully reclined, then you’re literally too big for that seat. You should buy a “comfort plus” ticket. The airline should force you to do so.
I’m 6’5". I’d love to hear your suggestions for what I should do with my legs when you recline your seat. Do you think I can just take them off? Am I supposed to sit sideways with my legs in the lap of the person next to me? Am I supposed to do Yoga for a year before I get on a plane, so I can spread my knees out 180 degrees from each other and you can lay your head on my dick?
I’m not “slamming my knees into the back of your seat”. They simply exist where you’re trying to be, and the fundamental properties of matter are causing them to collide. You can be as pissed about your comfort as you want to be, but it’s not going to change my knees into ethereal ghost knees so your seat can lean back.
Recline yourself. It’s literally the only solution. Once one person reclines, everyone has to.
Until it gets to the fat person at least
Why would a fat person be unable to recline?
Recline yourself. It’s literally the only solution. Once one person reclines, everyone has to.
People of all sizes are entitled to use the facilities they paid for equally. The airline should provide a solution for you, not the other passengers. You should patronize airlines that fulfill your needs and not patronize the ones that don’t. I actually like the ultra low cost carriers that have solved this by simply not allowing the seats to be reclined.
Probably best you instead get seats with more leg room rather than blaming it on people leaning their seats back. Just like larger people should be buying two seats per airline rules, it’s just easier to either get an exit row seat or pay extra for a row with more room.
there is a difference between something being the airlines responsibility, and you still having some form of etiquette and thought for others when said airline wont fix the issue.
just because it shouldn’t be your problem doesn’t mean it isn’t. absolute individualism is a curse
If we acquiesce and make up for the airline’s failures by taking matters into our own hands, that just enables the airline to continue to not fix the issue. It’s the same thing as tipping at restaurants. We have to tip because the staff don’t get paid enough otherwise. The restaurant is passing off their shortcomings to the customers. The system only works because we agree to participate in it.
Unless it’s 9pm on an overnight flight you shouldn’t be reclining you seat.
Anyone reclining their seat to take a nap on a 2-3 hour flight is a dick, because the nap is not necessary. It’s just preventing the person behind from being able to use the table tray or read or watch their movie or work on their project in their laptop because their already limited space becomes unusable.
It also does absolutely jack shit in terms of comfort or sleep. People are obsessed with their half centimeter of recline for the same reason they are obsessed with cutting through side streets to avoid a single stoplight - because it is a petulant display of pointless sovereignty for miserable henpecked assholes.
You clearly don’t have many health problems. Not reclining the seat makes my arthritis flare up so bad I can barely walk, due to many airlines making their seats pretty much vertical. And if it didn’t make things more comfortable then why in the world would people even bother leaning their seats back at all? Have you ever considered maybe you’re the outlier here?
Just try to communicate with the person behind you if they’re okay with you reclining… Usually it’s no big deal on long flights .
I’ll go one step further.
it’s nice to talk to your friends when you see them out and about
even if you have children
I am ready for my downvotes now
That’s fine just have some sense of spatial awareness and move to one side of the fucking aisle
Counterpoint: the constant risk of seeing people I know every time I leave the house is why I developed an anxiety disorder living in a small town.
Move aside
But how will we stay outraged if people are allowed to talk?
It’s not the talking that’s the problem, it’s the flagrant disregard for being in other peoples’ way. Move to the side of the damn aisle.
Unfortunate to see the entitled assholes made the trip over from Reddit. I paid for the amount of space I have.
Ok I’ll bite. Blocking the whole aisle at the grocery store shouldn’t be something that’s looked down on. The person rudely interrupting my conversation should be more looked down on. The reason is that having a conversation doesn’t intrinsically interfere with anyone else, but interrupting us and walking in front of us absolutely does.
All shoppers have the same and equal freedom to have a conversation if they choose, except for the people without friends of course. If that interferes with the shopping of the person trying to get by me that’s not my problem. The designers of the grocery stores should ensure that the aisles are wider so they can get by me. The grocery store constructed this scenario all by themselves and if there’s a problem with it they should solve it themselves. I shouldn’t be asked to sacrifice my conversation when I’m buying groceries (just like everyone else) because they failed to do that.
If we’re really insistent that this is somehow not 100% the grocery store’s problem, I’d next argue that if you don’t have enough room to get by in a regular row, then you’re literally too big for that store. You should go fuck yourself. The grocery should force you to do so.
I 100% agree with you.