That’s underselling how racist Churchill was towards Indians. “Beastly people with a beastly religion”.
Though, to be fair, he was also racist towards african peoples, jewish people, arab people, the Chinese and the Irish.
Churchill’s racism has its own Wikipedia page! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Winston_Churchill
And Australia’s First Nations peoples
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Don’t ask Churchill about his undue sympathy toward captured Nazi soldiers either
The Brits committed horrific atrocities in India. They pillaged the country and engineered multiple famines.
I recommend the Anarchy by William Darlymple which covers the rise of the British East India company.
They were the Zionists of the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries, They wrecked the areas they colonised leaving lasting wars and instability up to the present day.
Why was china hit with a famine again?
Lysenkoism, Anti-intellectualism and other terrible terrible policies. But hey, Mao ate veggies uwu
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Lysenkoism had been the official scientific stance on evolution in China from 1946 to 1956. Sounds like he had fuck all to do with China, sure.
Several of the techniques employed on collectivized farms, such as sextupling the density of seeds or deep plowing, were solely based on Lysenkoist teaching and had a fatal impact on yields.
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Forced collectivisation of an entirely agrarian economy.
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Industrial policy that encouraged small scale iron smelting in homemade furnaces causing huge environmental damage.
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Agricultural policy that ordered the extermination of sparrows who then couldn’t keep insect populations down causing catastrophic damage to crops.
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Brutally cracked down on any dissenting voices, including scientists who happened to point out the potential flaws in Maos plan
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Contrary to OPs post, covering up the mistakes afterward and blaming outside influences and counter-revolutionaries rather than the failure of central policy.
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Why was India?
According to a Wikipedia article, “After the launch of Reform and opening up, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) officially stated in June 1981 that the famine was mainly due to the mistakes of the Great Leap Forward as well as the Anti-Right Deviation Struggle, in addition to some natural disasters and the Sino-Soviet split.”
The official statement is here, but I don’t read Chinese.
Ah. Google Translate comes through. I think the relevant part is where they say (machine translated): “Mainly due to the mistakes of the “Great Leap Forward” and the “Anti-Rightist Movement”, coupled with natural disasters at the time and the Soviet government’s treacherous breach of the contract, my country’s national economy encountered serious difficulties from 1959 to 1961, and the country and the people suffered heavy losses.”
No one knows and probably never will. It was not a great leap forward for China that’s for sure
Some actual Churchill quotes. This is who repeatedly gets voted the “Greatest Briton” by the British people.
- “It is, thank heaven, difficult if not impossible for the modern European to fully appreciate the force which fanaticism exercises among an ignorant, warlike and Oriental population. Several generations have elapsed since the nations of the West have drawn the sword in religious controversy, and the evil memories of the gloomy past have soon faded in the strong, clear light of Rationalism and human sympathy. Indeed it is evident that Christianity, however degraded and distorted by cruelty and intolerance, must always exert a modifying influence on men’s passions, and protect them from the more violent forms of fanatical fever, as we are protected from smallpox by vaccination.”
- “I think we shall have to take the Chinese in hand and regulate them. I believe that as civilized nations become more powerful they will get more ruthless, and the time will come when the world will impatiently bear the existence of great barbaric nations who may at any time arm themselves and menace civilized nations. I believe in the ultimate partition of China — I mean ultimate. I hope we shall not have to do it in our day. The Aryan stock is bound to triumph.”
- “I propose that 100,000 degenerate Britons should be forcibly sterilized and others put in labour camps to halt the decline of the British race.”
- “I think a curse should rest on me — because I love this war. I know it’s smashing and shattering the lives of thousands every moment — and yet — I can’t help it — I enjoy every second of it.”
- “One might as well legalise sodomy as recognise the Bolsheviks.”
- “I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.”
- “There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others.”
- “One may dislike Hitler’s system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.”
- “I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.”
- “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion.”
Fuck the British
Churchill was a racist piece of shit.
So are people who disparage entire nationalities for the actions of a few.
I’ve never done anything to you or India; So can you explain to me why I should get fucked?
It was more than “a few”. You can get fucked for downplaying the scale of the atrocities the british committed. The entire european economy is based on the exploitation of the global south. You can get fucked for tone-policing the anger that causes.
Ah gotcha, so a newborn in the local hospital is responsible for the atrocities committed by a man who died 60 years ago, seems logical.
I’m not downplaying anything, I’m pointing to the fact that your anger is misdirected. There are many British people that have had absolutely no say or action in any of what you’ve stated, yet you claim they should get fucked for no reason other than where they’re born.
He is 100% responsible for the actions of his ancestors because he benefits from it. If Indians have to bear the fruits of the sufferings of their ancestors, so do the British.
Return all the money and artifacts, adjusted to current valuations. Apologise in UN. Execute all your monarchy in public. Then we will start to get even.
There are many British people that have had absolutely no say or action in any of what you’ve stated, yet you claim they should get fucked for no reason other than where they’re born.
I didn’t see anyone rejecting the spoils of the plunder.
This is the same bullshit argument that is being made by the British right now about Gaza - being complicit the whole time and then trying to PR your way out of it by all of a sudden planning to declare Palestine a state.
Ah so thats your basis for responsibility, not action, but circumstances.
What if that British newborn was born to Indian parents? are they now both responsible and a victim of their own doing?
I didn’t see anyone rejecting the spoils of plunder
There are plenty here who agree with you, unfortunately they’re too busy trying to survive the same persecutions you’re angry at them for supposedly perpetrating. The working class in the UK have absolutely no say in any of what you’re campaigning about; but your narrative of “fuck British people because they were born British” does nothing but alienate them from your cause.
It becomes a case of “damned if I do, damned if I don’t”
Yes, the same working class who was not starved to death because they got food from a famine struck India. They could have easily denied eating the food and let their children starve, be the bigger person.
Ethics have never mattered to the British (and most of the world to be fair) when it benefits them.
I can’t speak for the actions of people that died a century before I existed of course, but I can near enough guarantee that neither I, nor any of my fellow working class citizens have caused any famines in India. (I say near enough; because for all I know there could be some obscure despot running around who just so happens to be from a working class village in Scotland or some shit).
I wholeheartedly agree with the last statement. It is a human condition ultimately; we’re seeing the same situation out in the states, where a lot of immigrant families voted in favour of tighter immigration (the “fuck you I got mine” mentality). I suppose you could argue it’s due to Americanisation of the people who have migrated, but to me it just highlights the fact that morality isn’t based on nationality. I believe brandishing any nationality/ethnicity or race as anything other than human only perpetuates ‘us and them’ mentalities, and I believe it’s by design.
Until the world wakes up and realises it’s not north Vs south or east Vs west; but rather rich Vs poor, nothing will change.
Currently alive English people are responsible for not prosecuting Tony Blair after the Chilcot Report. Tony Blair is still alive. Get on it.
Yeah your right, Scotland, Ireland and Wales had no say, not fuck Britain, fuck England
You gonna pretend your entire life hasn’t been built on a framework that raped 90% of the planet?
The irony of an Aussie saying this is palpable.
When are you going to stop the rampant and ongoing persecution of the aboriginal population and the intentional erosion of their way of life?
There’s nothing I can do about my ancestors’ actions; but you have a real opportunity to enact the change you feel our ancestors should have done at home.
Actually doing quite a lot in my capacity. Sovreignty was never ceded.
What are you doing to press for the return of cultural items illegally acquired and held in the UK?
I mean you’re demanding i do my bit to dismantle a system (which I actually very definitively did in a recent vote), surely you can write the British museum a nasty letter.
Or did it simply never occur to you?
I’m glad to hear it. I am doing everything in my capacity to help with the repatriation of the empire’s illegally pillaged artifacts.
Admittedly that’s not a great deal currently though, most of my spare time is spent helping out at the local food bank, as there’s a bit of a malnourishment crisis going on in the UK ATM (as I’m sure there is most places tbh. The disparity between rich and poor seems to have grown exponentially since covid and the job market is only compounding the issue).
You guys should have ceded from the crown eons ago; if I had the choice I certainly would. You won’t find much love for the monarchy among the working class in Britain.
We got ourselves an old fashioned nice off! Keep it going!
Virtues have been signaled. Two saints enter, one lemming leaves.
Trying, but the monarchist cucks keep drowning out the voices of those of us who want out.
Sadly I suspect the US implosion means more and more are going to cling to mummy britain to save us defensewise despite the fact that historically does not work out so well for us…
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If only Churchill had grown vegetables and issued meaningless scolds to his own administration, he would have been a true working class hero
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Grok, is this true?
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Yes? When do you think liberalism came to be?
40.5s /s
People very much do not think churchill was a saint, he was precisely the monster required at the time during WWII
Churchill repeatedly gets voted the greatest briton of all time by the British people.
It’s actually fucking insane Churchill and his policies killed 4 million Indians while he was in office and you call it “precisely the monster required at the time” fuck if you think so lowly of brown people I guess Hitler was the monster required for the time too, he broke the western European colonial empires to the point their empires crumbled not long after. So 6 million Jews, makes Hitler the most evil man on earth but 4+ million south Asians dying under Churchills watch is “precisely the monster required for the time” you fucking dunce
Literally referring to his lionisation during wwii as anyone who had the barest conception of history would grasp.
Yes, everybody understands that was your perspective. You just happened to share that perspective on a post talking about a man-made famine in India. So, uh, you failed at context.
Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic
The U.S. military launched a clandestine program amid the COVID crisis to discredit China’s Sinovac inoculation – payback for Beijing’s efforts to blame Washington for the pandemic. One target: the Filipino public. Health experts say the gambit was indefensible and put innocent lives at risk.
Does this threaten “international security”, liberal?
The anti-vax campaign wasn’t all that clandestine, though. It might have initially been, but Trump sure let the cat out of the bag with his nonsense.
So what is a clandestine propaganda campaign if not this kind of shit:
Oh no, I agree, it was definitely aimed at the Chinese vaccine at first, but then it turned broadly anti-vax because Trump is too incompetent to keep private things private.
Okay. So you see what I’m saying then. Imperialists do this stuff.
Okay. So you see what I’m saying then. Imperialists do this stuff.
Except what you have linked was already US State department propaganda
Could you please define imperialism in anywhere between 20 and 1000 words?
Imperialism is when a country (or any political group, I guess) pushes their worldview onto others. That’s without looking anything up so I may have forgotten some aspect.
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Okay, I looked it up. I agree with the definition I found that says it’s more about exerting power than just “worldview”. That seems like a better definition.
? imperialism is when a country or group exerts power?
Yes? I don’t know where this thread is going.
This thread is going towards the conclusion that you’ve adopted a definition of imperialism that is so broad as to be unworkable, because it treats all political violence as being the same thing.
What a bizarre definition. Apparently any activist group is an empire.
House passes $1.6 billion to deliver anti-China propaganda overseas
Somehow it’s a crime when Russia does it to us, but good ‘information ops’ when we want to discredit Beijing’s Belt & Road initiatives worldwide
Hey I know you’re getting a bunch of responses so I don’t want to be unhelpful and pile on, but I am curious if you actually dispute either of the claims this meme makes (Churchill blaming the famine on India, Mao personally taking steps to cut his consumption during a famine and being critical of his own policy). Because if you don’t think it’s wrong I’m not sure why you are posting this response. The Chinese don’t care if you vote for Churchill or Mao, neither are even candidates for election in the United States. This could not be less about what you’ve posted.
Wowie, so you post empire-sanctioned liberal propaganda on a meme about the propaganda of liberal media. Wow so big brain!
There is literally no link I could have found that would not have triggered your criticism. There is literally no Western media outlet that would not be labeled “empire-sanctioned” by you.
There is literally no Western media outlet that would not be labeled “empire-sanctioned” by you.
Right
The PBS articles only source seems to be the American government, that seems very much “empire sanctioned”.
The other one has a little more diversity, it cites the American government, national defense think tank analysts, and a company who’s primary customer seems to be the American government.
Would you trust an article exclusively citing oil companies, their associated think tanks, and companies that they are closely linked with money-wise?
On a tour in late September sponsored by Beijing, the 22 journalists from 17 countries visited bazaars [in Xinjiang] and chatted with residents over dates and watermelon slices. They later told state media they were impressed with the bustling economy, described the region as “full of cultural, religious and ethnic diversity,” and denounced what they said were lies by Western media.
The trip is an example of what Washington sees as Beijing’s growing efforts to reshape the global narrative on China. It’s spending billions of dollars annually to do so.
In a first-of-its-kind report, the State Department last week laid out Beijing’s tactics and techniques for molding public opinion, such as buying content, creating fake personas to spread its message and using repression to quash unfavorable accounts.
You are deeply unserious. Even the lack of evidence is clandestine by your thinking.
What sources would you consider trustworthy?
Anything that doesn’t fall under the empire umbrella, as was clear:
So if I make an official-looking website on my home server, slap a fancy sounding domain on it, and send it to you, you’ll trust it?
Answer the question. You answered the opposite question of “what won’t you trust?”
And if you don’t have an answer, it’s okay to say you need to reconsider what your criteria are. That’s okay. That’s how we figure things out
So theOnion.com is trust worthy?
Kidding aside, I was hoping you could give some specific examples.
At least you know you’re being lied to with the onion
Internet memes
China, however, has taken a more cautious, nuanced approach. Beijing sees little advantage in supporting one presidential candidate over the other, intelligence analysts say. Instead, China’s disinformation efforts focus on campaign issues particularly important to Beijing
Oh no if we can trust unnamed “intelligence analysts”, you know, probably the same people who manufactured russiagate, spend billions on foreign desinformation campaigns and are famous for toppling democratically elected officials around the world, then China is accused of meddling in the elections! Allegedly, they do it by providing, well… impartial and relevant information without favoring any candidate. But they cunningly limit their evil public relations campaign to issues pertaining to their own country, which is… bad for some reason.
And even more wicked: by pretending to be Americans, they evade the natural American defense mechanism against r̶e̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ outside influence: racism. How will we know to ignore their logic and their pleas for peace and cooperation, if we don’t know their skin color?! Heavens! If this is allowed to continue, the rampant preparations for a nuclear apocalypse inducing war against China might continue to accelerate in a somewhat less feverish frenzy! Better crank internet cencorship up to eleven stat, that’s the only way to protect democracy. /s
Seems like a boring rerun of russiagate which was just declassified as an op.
Lmaoooooooo
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