Hot take, schools should be geared towards accommodating the smartest kids, not the dumbest. There should still be safety nets like summer school, but the smartest kids should be able to learn as much as they want to
My hot take: schools should be geared to everyone. Have advanced classes, normal classes, and below average classes. The teacher can teach according to each class. Everyone should get an education.
Even calling those students Below Average others them. They probably have other forms of intelligence. Or they just don’t learn well in the one exact neurotypical classroom that we offer in the US. Or maybe they have issues at home, economic issues, or social issues that are keeping them from succeeding in school. Kids in other top countries are never asked to worry about these things.
My kid now has to sit in classrooms where kids scream, threaten people, throw things, and break shit. The teacher has had to evacuate the classroom until these kids calm down. Barely any teaching or learning takes place because these poor teachers are far too busy trying to manage these students.
My kid went from top student in every single grade to an anxious wreck because he now has to deal with kids who threaten to hurt both other students and themselves.
I’m very much for “education for all”, but this ain’t the way to do it. It’s a fuckin’ mess out there. I don’t envy the kids of today in the slightest.
That’s horrible. Yeah, I think the misbehaving kids would fit better elsewhere. I didn’t have such disruptive issues in my school, more that the students of retired engineers took all of the fucking opportunities. Our AP classes were full, and the game to getting in was not about grades. And when I was a young child I kndw why: George Bush’s No Child Left Behind laws. And I think that crap is still in effect, as public schools continue to fail American kids.
Thermonuclear take; the kind of work it takes to perform well in school is exactly the kind of work society is preparing kids for, so good school performance can still be a strong indication they’ll be good employees.
Wether or not our society and schools are right for that is a much more interesting topic of debate. Kids who crush it in school (and continue to crush it all the way through college) will go on to make their companies loads of money for cheap.
Yes, school is a soul crushing amount of mindless busy work to earn a pieces of paper with shit printed on them. What you will do until you die. Welcome to society, it sucks here.
Those smartest kids can go test out of everything with AP, take SAT courses privately or for free. Those kids who need more helo have no fucking other chance. Experiences like these tilt them away from education entirely.
Hot take, schools should be geared towards accommodating the smartest kids, not the dumbest. There should still be safety nets like summer school, but the smartest kids should be able to learn as much as they want to
My hot take: schools should be geared to everyone. Have advanced classes, normal classes, and below average classes. The teacher can teach according to each class. Everyone should get an education.
Even calling those students Below Average others them. They probably have other forms of intelligence. Or they just don’t learn well in the one exact neurotypical classroom that we offer in the US. Or maybe they have issues at home, economic issues, or social issues that are keeping them from succeeding in school. Kids in other top countries are never asked to worry about these things.
Whatever you want to call it, it won’t be the normal class. You have to teach according to ones ability.
As for the other factors: I’m in Canada, and yes we do have to worry about all that.
It takes immense resources and more teachers, which is hardly achievable of you want it across the whole country
… it takes the exact same amount of resources and teachers. You already have multiple classes (unless you are in a tiny school), split them up.
You forget that quantity of “Super clever” pupils is not equal to the quantity of the rest.
…it’s not hard to fill out an advanced class. And if the school is tiny, they don’t get one. This is pretty standard stuff.
Implying the described behavior is actual learning and not farming for a GPA bump.
My kid now has to sit in classrooms where kids scream, threaten people, throw things, and break shit. The teacher has had to evacuate the classroom until these kids calm down. Barely any teaching or learning takes place because these poor teachers are far too busy trying to manage these students.
My kid went from top student in every single grade to an anxious wreck because he now has to deal with kids who threaten to hurt both other students and themselves.
I’m very much for “education for all”, but this ain’t the way to do it. It’s a fuckin’ mess out there. I don’t envy the kids of today in the slightest.
That’s horrible. Yeah, I think the misbehaving kids would fit better elsewhere. I didn’t have such disruptive issues in my school, more that the students of retired engineers took all of the fucking opportunities. Our AP classes were full, and the game to getting in was not about grades. And when I was a young child I kndw why: George Bush’s No Child Left Behind laws. And I think that crap is still in effect, as public schools continue to fail American kids.
Fiery take, doing good in school does not make you smart
I think it does, but this works only one way: a smart kid will always do well in school, but a kid who does well doesn’t necessarily have to be smart
Thermonuclear take; the kind of work it takes to perform well in school is exactly the kind of work society is preparing kids for, so good school performance can still be a strong indication they’ll be good employees.
Wether or not our society and schools are right for that is a much more interesting topic of debate. Kids who crush it in school (and continue to crush it all the way through college) will go on to make their companies loads of money for cheap.
Damn you must have a very good school/ed system because mine is glorified memory training, thankfully my memory is great.
Yes, school is a soul crushing amount of mindless busy work to earn a pieces of paper with shit printed on them. What you will do until you die. Welcome to society, it sucks here.
Those smartest kids can go test out of everything with AP, take SAT courses privately or for free. Those kids who need more helo have no fucking other chance. Experiences like these tilt them away from education entirely.