This is why people say during elections that it doesn’t matter which partythey vote for
It made it easier for the Nazis to walk in the front door.
What about republicans? How did they vote?
Exactly the same as the Democrats. Uniparty strikes again!
I’m sure this is somehow Trump’s fault /s
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So our choices are Nazi’s or genocidal maniacs. Fuck the DNC.
No they’re both genocidal maniacs, one also dabbles on the homefront.
Do you guys think Jeffrey Epstein was the first or the only guy using videos of United States politicians engaging in pedophelia to blackmail them for Israel?
Do you think Tom Artiom Alexandrovich knew Epstein, or his associates/handlers in Israel?
To the surprise of no one.
Fucking shameful.
Captured Congress, doesn’t matter which side when it comes to Israel.
Sad but true. Democrats are slightly better, but not much.
They claim to be.
Their PR is better for progressives.
“Forming a task force” man, go fuck yourself. Do these assholes even know what’s going on over there?
Fucking dicks
The cartoonish evil is a feature, not a bug. The dems have held massive control over who’s in power for decades. I don’t care anymore if it’s evil or stupid to field candidates guaranteed to turn the population right, it leads to the same outcome. They gain enough from having a big persecutin’, government-controlling daddy like Trump that it doesn’t matter, they have zero intention to change.
“Oh noes, we can’t do all the things you poors and empathetic humans want, don’t you know Trump is in charge?” (Something Hakeem Jefferies has basically said, referencing the American people making a “mandate” for Trumpism.)
oh they’re well aware but like the majority of first world nations, heaven forbid you upset Israel. Just look at the UK. you get arrested for even mentioning or wearing a t shirt with the P and/or G word.
10 years from now the task force report comes out. “It was a genocide somebody should have stopped it. Let’s form a new task force to figure out who was at fault.”
The trusty 4 stage strategy.
Dems since the 1970s: “We need a two state solution”
Palestinians: “We’re applying for statehood”
Dems: “No”
What kind of a messed up headline is that?
Serious question, what is wrong with the headline? The article is only 4 paragraphs long and the headline basically sums what is written in the article. Id get it if you thought the article itself was shitty but I stared at the headline long enough without seeing anything wrong so I gotta ask, what am I missing?
The headline reads as if by voting against the embargo, they were recognizing a Palestinian state. Of course, with a bit of general knowledge about the situation, it should be clear that that is not the correct reading.
It’s an example of “headlinese”, the odd rules used to shorten headlines. It’s at least decades old and comes from newspapers where space was limited. In this case the comma subs in for “and”.
That said, I agree it’s old-fashioned and confusing, and wouldn’t be missed if news sites collectively agreed to stop doing it.
It just hit me that I use “headlinese” in pull request titles at work.
Fixed headlinese:
Democrats vote down resolution calling for arms embargo on Israel, Palestinian state recognition
The main problem with the headline is: which Democrats where? Which country? Is this an important bill with grave consequences or an opinion poll?
Come on now. For which Democrats and which country don’t be naive. Intellectual dishonesty is never been helpful for anyone ever and you should stop practicing it. As for the other two questions that’s not necessary for a title that’s what the article is for. That’s the context you’re supposed to get from reading articles not skimming titles.
Those are answered in the article.
Look, “Times of Israel” is not a source that I know or trust. So I’m not going to waste my time clicking through and reading the article, unless I’m convinced this is a really noteworthy story that’s worth reading.
So in that sense, the headline writers have failed to convert me into a reader. Because I can’t tell if this is the entire House Democratic caucus; or if it’s the Democratic party convention of Putnam Co., GA; or if it’s democratic reformers in monarchical Saudi Arabia.
A headline is supposed to convey a simple straight forward summary of the article, without any question or confusion about the content.
This headline is anything but straight forward … it can mean multiple things to multiple different groups of people … and the writer and news agency can feign ignorance and call it all a misunderstanding if anyone reading it questions the headline.
A sign of a bad news agency or an unreliable source is when they produce headlines that beg more questions about the presentation, journalist, writer, or news agency than the actual article they shared.
I thought it was straightforward.
Democrats voted on a resolution for an arms embargo, and the vote failed.
Your explanation isn’t straightforward though.
Democrats voted on a resolution for an arms embargo, and the vote failed
This could mean the Democrats voted for the resolution, but it failed. It could also mean the Democrats voted against the resolution, making it fail. All we know is the Dems voted, and the vote failed. The statement isn’t clear which way they voted.
My first assumption was that it was only the Democrats voting, which seems to have been the case, as it was a DNC internal vote. If there were more than democrats voting on it, then to say that it was the democrats who were voting would seem to me to be unnecessary or misleading.
They certainly could have mentioned the DNC in the title to make it more more clear, though.
That’s actually less straightforward
Yeah I still don’t understand the people having a problem with this?
The comma does the heavy lifting and is unfotunately ambiguous.
Democrats vote down resolution calling for arms embargo on Israel, recognizing Palestinian state
This could easily mean:
Democrats vote down resolution that is calling for arms embargo on Israel and recognizing Palestinian state
Democrats vote down resolution that is calling for arms embargo on Israel while recognizing Palestinian state
In the case the resolution is unnamed in the headline:
Democrats vote down resolution thus calling for arms embargo on Israel and recognizing Palestinian state
Democrats vote down resolution thus calling for arms embargo on Israel, recognizing Palestinian state in the process
What things? How are you reading it that’s what I’m not understanding either. You say it can convey multiple things but I’m not seeing it.
I replied to someone else with this but I’ll post it here as well.
The comma does the heavy lifting and is unfotunately ambiguous.
Democrats vote down resolution calling for arms embargo on Israel, recognizing Palestinian state
This could easily mean:
Democrats vote down resolution that is calling for arms embargo on Israel and recognizing Palestinian state
Democrats vote down resolution that is calling for arms embargo on Israel while recognizing Palestinian state
In the case the resolution is unnamed in the headline:
Democrats vote down resolution thus calling for arms embargo on Israel and recognizing Palestinian state
Democrats vote down resolution thus calling for arms embargo on Israel, recognizing Palestinian state in the process
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You will also forget about all the damage republicans and trump does when they are no longer in control. Topical stupid cultist logic
OK, let’s break this down.
a) Democrats are not in control
b) They didn’t signal support for a two state solution, even when there were 0 real costs because they are not in control
c) there’s 0 reason to believe they would have voted differently if they were in control
ergo, this is very relevant, even if Republicans are worse.
Most incumbent Democrats need to be primaried out.
I voted for Harris despite being a progressive social democrat with many preferred ideal candidates. I wasn’t a couch sitter or part of the uncommitted vote.
But this comment is beyond absurd, lol.
This is exactly the time to be critical of the terrible oppositional leadership. Best time in fact to reform the Democratic party since we’re powerless to do anything else.
Either you recognize this, or I’ll tag you as a Trump supporter because believing otherwise literally only helps Republicans in 2026 and 2028.
These people just don’t believe in or don’t want the world to be better. I voted Harris and will probably still vote for whatever presidential ghoul the Democrats push on us, but I’m done providing an ounce of support to team blue beyond that.
The party needs to be undermined for things to get better, because the party has done jack all to prove themselves. They have not been allies, but feudalistic opportunists exploiting the fascist takeover rather than doing anything productive. Unless we force them to share power with the left, they’ll just take our support to line their pockets
However, people hear my criticism and only hear me as an anti-voter who will hurt their precious saviors. It’s infuriating that they love the blue boot so much that they’ll shit on anyone who refuses to deepthroat it.
Do they ever want to be in charge again? Then it matters.
If no, are they going to stop obstructing progressives?
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IGNORE THE TROLL
Your membership in the Democrats cult is more important to you than literally opposing genocide on your dime. If they flipped on abortion tomorrow, you’d be telling “abortion one issue voters” to fuck off too, as long as you get your comfort we should all put our heads in the guillotine and vote for your genocidal party because you insist your concerns are more important than children being starved shredded to pieced.
You seem like fun at parties.
I tell you this is the most overused nonsensical nothing comment I see posted ad nauseam. If you don’t have a point to make then don’t respond.
Heard it one too many times, have you?
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Have you done literally anything in the past six months?
Or did you do literally only one thing, vote one time, and now you think you’re absolved of all responsibility?
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By voting for the same two terrible parties on the usa and the world for 50 years?
Are those voters responsible for the terrible positions the candidate voluntarily took, which alienated not only their base but also uncommitted voters? No. No they aren’t.
If you can’t convince most people that you’d do a better job at something than Donald fucking Trump, that’s a ‘you’ problem. Miraculously, Democrats did this three presidential elections in a row, which changes it from “mistake/oversight” territory into “we’re doing this shit on purpose.”
If you can’t convince most people that you’d do a better job at something than Donald fucking Trump, that’s a ‘you’ problem
Lmao. It’s not. Democracy requires informed voters. Americans have shown they’re anything but.
Have fun blaming the democrats while republicans burn down the country.
Genocide voters deserve a bullet in the head asap as far as I’m concerned. Their supporter too
We blame both unlike you immoral cultists
The phrasing is just bad. Vote them out in the primaries, that’s it. After the primaries you vote against the Republicans.
Raging at imagined problems doesn’t seem like a tranquil way to go through life.
Maybe it’s time to be less tranquil … and stop the aholes of the world fucking it up.
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So… liberals need to continue attacking progressives for things that didn’t happen? Tranquil or not, seems like a bad idea.
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Tankies and MAGA. An unholy alliance that benefits Trump.
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Tankies are anyone who prioritizes ending material support for genocide? Call me a tankie if it makes you feel better, then. The thing is, it’s not my “single issue”, but it is at the top of the fucking list, yes. The bar literally doesn’t get any lower.
I’m sure Gaza appreciates the moral superiority instead of votes that can prevent an actual genocidal president. But you do you.
Well, the former US ambassador to Israel recently declared in an interview that killing children is okay, because they are Hamas children and Israel said so.
Also the former Biden team admitted that they deliberately lied about Israel sabotaging any ceasefire attempt and instead lying blamed it on Hamas, all while providing further arms shipments, without which the Genocide would have been over within a few weeks.
They justified this with the claim that it wouldn’t have helped Israel, so the goal was always clear. The Democratic presidency under Biden was in full support of the genocide. Unlike Trump they merely cared about creating a slight appearance otherwise, but they have been salivating at the continued slaughter of women and children, the ethnic cleansing, the deliberate starvation, the rape and torture of Palestinians taken hostage by Israel.
By punishing them for supporting Genocide at least there was a chance that the party would reform as it identifies Genocide as a loosing issue. However now we see that supporting Genocide is more important to them even than preventing Trumps full takeover. This only leads to one conclusion. They are not only pro Genocide, they are also pro Fascist dictatorship.
Doesn’t change the fact that support of Trump through non voting or protest voting ensured their extinction.
You have no moral. Palestinians want a president that will stop sending billions to israel and provide diplomatic cover
Palestinians should want a lot of things. Peace. No Hamas. Israel not participating in genocide. Not trying cause uprisings in Lebanon and Egypt.
Minor things.
Prevent? I thought the lib line was that “genocide wasn’t on the ballot”.
It was the DNC, not House or Senate. Wouldn’t have been binding in any sense of the word … so why not vote it through?
The article answers that question.
The chairman of the DNC wanted a more hardline bill,, and when he didn’t get that, he withdrew the resolution and vowed to build a coalition behind it for next time.*
While I wouldn’t say it in quite the same terms as you, I feel what you are saying. I still have Young Turks in my podcast feed, and even as Taco is sending storm troopers into the country and flooding the zone with awful stuff meant to dismantle this country and completely end voting and end all freedoms, most of the content on TYT seems to be…raging at Israel and much of the time raging at Democrats over it. You’d think it was the only thing happening right now given the amount of episodes dedicated mostly to Gaza/Israel. I haven’t caught up on Useful Idiots podcast either, but they suffered the same problems.
Yes, it’s not great. But they should really consider the priorities here. Being a single issue person on Israel?
We have a fascist in the WH right now. Flogging the Democrats over Gaza and Israel is just performative bullshit at this point.
Side quest - anyone have any good progressive podcasts to recommend? One that has not been taken over by scolds obsessed with Oppression Olympics and tone policing and shaming white men? One that addresses the problems of oligarchy and is not obsessed with talking about Israel and Gaza all the time? One that is actually looking to bring people into the fold, rather than coming up with criteria on filtering them out?
Supporting Genocide abroad and allowing, often supporting even, the Fascist takeover at home aren’t separate issues. They are two sides of the same coin and we see with this decision again, that supporting the Genocide comes with supporting the Fascist takeover rather than fighting it.
Have you ever considered that maybe ignoring the anti genocide criticisms contributed to the Democrats’ loss in 24? Have you ever considered that telling much of their base to stop complaining about it was not wise electoral politics? Have you ever considered that banning social media popular with the youth for doing the same spying that all corporate social media does was a bad idea? Did you even notice that they downplayed the severity of economic suffering, allowing Trump’s anti solutions to be the only electoral voice to real pain? (it’s the economy stupid!!!)
Trump won because the Democrats lost. They suck at being popular because corporate allegiance ties their hands from providing a populist alternative to fascism. They made so many tactical errors and have done nothing to course correct. I don’t need to talk about the substance of Gaza to explain why the Dems fumbled it. They ignored and rejected voices that mattered, not only on that, but on countless other issues.
They backed away from supporting trans people in the campaign, lost, and only continue to distance themselves from us. They don’t need to put up that distance; they could just ignore the issue and focus on the economy and violation of human rights by fascists, but they don’t; they choose to complain about kids who just wanna play sports, because they never really wanted to be our allies. We didn’t push them away; they did.
You just ran through a litany of other things that weren’t Gaza/Israel.
It’s kind of my point - treating Gaza and Israel as if it is the only issue was likely set up intentionally as a wedge issue and it only helped Taco get in. And he’s going to be even worse on it, and he’s very likely to completely end America, possibly killing millions in the process. Right now his lackeys are putting up gigantic Big Brother/North Korean style banners of his visage…and getting set to occupy more cities with the military.
When I don’t see the morally pure people getting into a circle jerk over their superior ethical system, I mostly now see them silent on this. Maybe the occasional drive-by. Certainly I have not seen them say one cogent thing regarding this since the election. I guess they are just on a higher moral plane than all the rest of us mere mortals trying to wrestle with all the other existential crises at play here. Or it could be many/most of them were just paid actors meant to divide the opposition, kill morale, and drive down the election turnout.
Yet again, the rational voice is downvoted. Clearly no one bothered to read the article.
The resolution was not expected to pas.
‘Allow no nuance, logic, or common sense get in the way of our manufactured outrage!!”
“Nuance” sure sounds a lot like denialism when talking about a genocide.
Ah but I forgot, if you didn’t vote for the genocider you’re literally a genocider. War is peace, water is dry, I stopped eating crayons, I’m a dumbocrat
People should only vote for things that they think are going to win, rather than voting their conscience?
And what nuance, logic, or common sense do you have to offer exactly?
Wasn’t expected to pass because the Democratic politicians are so removed from their base on this issue.
