• gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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    If we grow algae in a plastic bag directly under the sunlight and genetically modify these algae to be non-toxic (or at least contain only toxins that can be deactivated by cooking) and produce gluten, we could grind them to powder and use that to bake break.

    this could be useful for a future mars settlement, where conventional greenhouses would be expensive because they would have to be completely air-tight, but air-tight plastic bags might be cheap.

    I used AI (gulp) to generate an image of this:

    I hope you all won’t decapitate me for using AI to generate an image.

    Btw here’s a list of typical algae’s nutrient content:

    Source is Wikipedia IIRC.

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    the first guy to make bread must’ve been an utter psycho

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      i guess what you mostly need to make bread is the insight that grains taste better when they’re refined to a fine powder, which you could figure out by accident.

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      Not as much as the one who saw a cow and went, I’m having some of that. Then I’m going to leave the milk to go hard and put it on my bread.

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        meat has been eaten long before humans existed. iirc butter and cheese were developed by human’s efforts to preserve food long-time (for the winter). people knew that a high water content makes all kind of food spoil faster (that much is pretty obvious if you spend some time actually observing things), so the straightforward consequence is to try and remove the water from the milk, and that’s basically how you end up with cheese and butter.

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        It’s olives for me. Raw, fresh olives are absolutely disgusting. Insanely bitter. Straight up inedible until it’s essentially pickled, which is what we actually eat. Crazy that someone ate that shit off the branch and went “I can fix this” instead of just writing the entire tree off as junk.

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          That’s how basically all our fruits started. Do you think some ancient person just stumbled across a watermelon one day? Fuck no. They found something as disgusting as olives, decided it was good enough, then hundreds of years of selective breeding happened.

          Have you ever seen a wild banana? It’s bullshit. You’d peel it open and that’s what you’d say: “This is bullshit.”

          Meanwhile olives have been cultivated for olive oil for thousands of years, so that’s probably why people kept growing them in their bitter form.

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            Nah, olives are different. Most of our fruit are descendants of wild fruit that are bland, tasteless, poorly textured at worst. Stuff that’d make you say “meh I don’t care for this”, not “I’d rather taste my own vomit”.

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          Crazy that someone… tree off as junk.

          Have you ever been starving before, by any chance?

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          what you wildly underestimate is people’s time back then. they often had jack-shit to do for prolonged periods of time, and people are willing to mess around with things quite a lot, especially food-related

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        I always wonder how many people ate pufferfish sushi and died before getting it right. Like why would you even try again?

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          Not all parts of a pufferfish are poisonous, right? So I guess some made it and some didn’t and people eventually figured out why. Also I heard a little bit of the poison makes you high.

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        Not as much as the one who saw a cow and went

        that was a reference to that joke tbh, nothing too crazy about cooking grain

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      People probably had been eating cooked grains for a while at that point, so the main difference would have been that one person crushed the grains and found out that as dough it is easier to keep together than as individual grains.

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        Yes, to me there seems to be a natural progression to bread. Wild grains, dried grains, crushed grains, dough, wild yeast falls on the still wet dough, campfire bread.

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      Better an utter psycho tha an udder psycho. The guy who found out that cows give milk was never the same again.

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    show a map of the land area it takes up and you might actuality convince some people it’s not lol.

    it could be like milk lovers trying to call almond milk bad for the environment due to water usage. despite cow milk being infinitely worse. the propaganda machine did its job well. if you bring up non dairy milks to an American conservative in 2025, nine times out of ten they’ll feel the need to smugly tell you how terrible almond milk is and how we shouldn’t be allowed to waste all that water on it. if you try to tell them that cow milk is worse they’ll just tell you you’re wrong and that the data is lying.

    i straight to showed one of them the hard numbers on how much cows are putting out greenhouse gasses and she just said “that can’t be right”. it didn’t FEEL right to her so she just didn’t believe it…

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      Which is worse: greenhouse gas, or people without fresh water? Both :-)

      Point is, oat milk doesn’t have either problem. If you’re gonna fuck with non milk milk, pick a good one. There’s like ten options.