I’m pretty suffering comes more from social stigma around sex and policies implemented around it creating gray spaces that people use to harm them.
Example: SESTA FOSTA lead to bans on social media centered around sex workers so their jobs became less safe without networks of people who can distribute warnings about violent johns or track down missing persons.
Would you enjoy doing sex work? Would you enjoy having sex with men that you were not attracted to, and needing to pretend that you enjoyed it? How do you think it would affect your relationship with your body? Put all of the legal stipulations you want for safety, etc, in this scenario. Do you think you wouldn’t experience harm to your mental health?
How would you measure mental health harm? Suicide rate by job?
Intimate jobs like dentists, doctors and vets have high suicide rates. Jobs that stress people’s bodies like construction workers and farm workers have high suicide rates. Jobs with exposure to violence like police and military have high suicide rates. Jobs with high chemical exposure rates like chemists and manufacturing. These kind of jobs have risks. Sex workers tend to deal with the first three.
Should we start banning jobs based on mental health outcomes? Or should we just make sure whatever jobs people have they are treated with respect and recieve the healthcare they need to function. What we should be doing is making sure such jobs are conducted as safely as possible for everyone involved.
The supposed “concern” about sex workers mental health without concern for similarly mentally stressful jobs is usually a sign somebody is actually operating from a bad faith position about how sex work is “icky”.
This reminds me of how white collar office workers bemoan to physical labourers how “at least you get to be outside, it’s just so soul crushing to be in a cubicle you know” lol
What kind of well taken care of prostitutes are you getting? I’ve only talked to one my entire life and she was offering pussy for $20 as I was yelling at her to get out of my car because I was picking someone up as an Uber.
Have you ever talked to the old trans sex workers? Some of them enjoyed the work, but plenty were in a position where they could either do sex work or they could not work at all. I knew one lady who uh I don’t think had been ok ever since. If you’ve got the time there’s a podcast called Making Gay History, it’s the host playing old recordings he made for the book of the same name. You can hear Sylvia Rivera talk about their childhood in their own voice. Our liberation didn’t come from sex workers because sex workers are these awesome people, our liberation began with sex workers because that’s the only job a lot of people would let a trans person who wasn’t stealth or exceptional pre transition do back in the day.
From my experience as a circus and burlesque performer in nightlife, most safety practices were created by sex workers. They also set the styles that then evolved into drag and burlesque. Sex work is also historically a part of the circus. I owe a lot of what I do to them.
You just made me miss my days photographing the BDSM and alt scene. Some of the most genuinely caring people I ever met who were truly concerned for everyone’s happiness and safety.
I was always torn between my love for preserving these incredible moments and my desire but unwillingness to participate and it became exhausting. Looking back on it, I’m sad that I decided to step away.
Long story short, I’m eternally grateful to people like you and appreciate your contributions to mental health, safety, community, and the arts.
Message me if you’re ever in south Texas! I love a good reason to get behind a camera, and will often make a deal if given a challenge that’s interesting enough.
Not really kink, but look up the three legged dog sideshow. It’s a Texas based circus troupe but they travel a lot. Fantastic people. Dan Block in particular is one of my friends and mentors
In the latter case it’s a correlation not causation situation. When a group of people is disproportionately pushed into either hiding or sex work, then yeah the major pushes for liberation for that group are gonna come from sex workers.
Idk sex work is a job, no good in trying to make the people doing it into working class heroes. Just because I think their job should be safe and legal and I can find them fun to hang with doesn’t make it anything other than that.
I wasn’t the person you were arguing with. Ime most sex workers are doing it either for desperation or as a side gig that meets their capacity. I almost did it once when I was in a bad spot before deciding I wasn’t desperate enough to do sales, and I have an ex who sold nudes before it was cool. In fact I’m pretty sure I tried to make it clear I don’t think of them as community heroes and was more agreeing with you, just explaining one of the person you were arguing with’s points.
Edit: Odd how so many retards are down voting me for asking a simple question.
Might not be, but your comment sounds like sealioning. You insulting those who downvoted you—especially with that term—doesn’t help your credibility in claiming it was just a simple question.
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They provide sex for people that want it.
Which is good for mental and emotional health
Not speaking of the sex worker mental health buddy. It’s good for societies. See Europe.
So you are okay with an underclass of people suffering because you think it might be good for society?
I’m pretty suffering comes more from social stigma around sex and policies implemented around it creating gray spaces that people use to harm them.
Example: SESTA FOSTA lead to bans on social media centered around sex workers so their jobs became less safe without networks of people who can distribute warnings about violent johns or track down missing persons.
Would you enjoy doing sex work? Would you enjoy having sex with men that you were not attracted to, and needing to pretend that you enjoyed it? How do you think it would affect your relationship with your body? Put all of the legal stipulations you want for safety, etc, in this scenario. Do you think you wouldn’t experience harm to your mental health?
How would you measure mental health harm? Suicide rate by job?
Intimate jobs like dentists, doctors and vets have high suicide rates. Jobs that stress people’s bodies like construction workers and farm workers have high suicide rates. Jobs with exposure to violence like police and military have high suicide rates. Jobs with high chemical exposure rates like chemists and manufacturing. These kind of jobs have risks. Sex workers tend to deal with the first three.
Should we start banning jobs based on mental health outcomes? Or should we just make sure whatever jobs people have they are treated with respect and recieve the healthcare they need to function. What we should be doing is making sure such jobs are conducted as safely as possible for everyone involved.
The supposed “concern” about sex workers mental health without concern for similarly mentally stressful jobs is usually a sign somebody is actually operating from a bad faith position about how sex work is “icky”.
Not sure about their own mental and emotional health though
The same could be said for working in retail.
Somehow I don’t think it’s quite on the same level
No indeed.
Sex workers are at least allowed to decline customers.
This reminds me of how white collar office workers bemoan to physical labourers how “at least you get to be outside, it’s just so soul crushing to be in a cubicle you know” lol
Lets be honest that will change when the stigma is removed.
If it was removed
I mean I do that too
And roughly where are you located?
At my house bro
Whoa! I’m at my house! Are you me???
There’s no way to know for sure.
Don’t most people provide a service in return for a payment
Yes, that’s good for society and the economy.
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Do people need to do things out of their own kindness for it to be valuable?
I am great at my job. I don’t do it for free or out of the kindness of my heart.
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you bring too dumb to use the correct there/their/they’re is just perfect. It puts that extra zing to how dumb you make yourself look.
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They’re not making fun of you for having a different belief, but for having a stupid belief.
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I could?!?! Why did no one tell me this before now?!?!?!
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What kind of well taken care of prostitutes are you getting? I’ve only talked to one my entire life and she was offering pussy for $20 as I was yelling at her to get out of my car because I was picking someone up as an Uber.
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So I’ve got this new business idea…
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Sex workers laid the foundation for so much of nightlife. They also did a ton for trans rights.
Brothels were also critical foundational businesses in most towns in the developing western US.
Have you ever talked to the old trans sex workers? Some of them enjoyed the work, but plenty were in a position where they could either do sex work or they could not work at all. I knew one lady who uh I don’t think had been ok ever since. If you’ve got the time there’s a podcast called Making Gay History, it’s the host playing old recordings he made for the book of the same name. You can hear Sylvia Rivera talk about their childhood in their own voice. Our liberation didn’t come from sex workers because sex workers are these awesome people, our liberation began with sex workers because that’s the only job a lot of people would let a trans person who wasn’t stealth or exceptional pre transition do back in the day.
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From my experience as a circus and burlesque performer in nightlife, most safety practices were created by sex workers. They also set the styles that then evolved into drag and burlesque. Sex work is also historically a part of the circus. I owe a lot of what I do to them.
You just made me miss my days photographing the BDSM and alt scene. Some of the most genuinely caring people I ever met who were truly concerned for everyone’s happiness and safety.
I was always torn between my love for preserving these incredible moments and my desire but unwillingness to participate and it became exhausting. Looking back on it, I’m sad that I decided to step away.
Long story short, I’m eternally grateful to people like you and appreciate your contributions to mental health, safety, community, and the arts.
Name definitely checks out haha
I feel so validated right now! Most users who find out or guess my username meaning get upset that it has nothing to do with cartography.
Feel free to come back. As a leatherwoman we still love good and respectful photographers.
Message me if you’re ever in south Texas! I love a good reason to get behind a camera, and will often make a deal if given a challenge that’s interesting enough.
Not really kink, but look up the three legged dog sideshow. It’s a Texas based circus troupe but they travel a lot. Fantastic people. Dan Block in particular is one of my friends and mentors
Thanks for the recommendation! I’ll have to check them out the next time I’m up in Austin.
Carmen Getsum has gotta be one of the greatest names I’ve ever heard.
Thanks for the offer but with any luck I will never go to Texas. Good luck!
Yeah, that’s probably the safer option… Thanks for the well-wishes!
Stay safe out there
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In the latter case it’s a correlation not causation situation. When a group of people is disproportionately pushed into either hiding or sex work, then yeah the major pushes for liberation for that group are gonna come from sex workers.
Idk sex work is a job, no good in trying to make the people doing it into working class heroes. Just because I think their job should be safe and legal and I can find them fun to hang with doesn’t make it anything other than that.
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I wasn’t the person you were arguing with. Ime most sex workers are doing it either for desperation or as a side gig that meets their capacity. I almost did it once when I was in a bad spot before deciding I wasn’t desperate enough to do sales, and I have an ex who sold nudes before it was cool. In fact I’m pretty sure I tried to make it clear I don’t think of them as community heroes and was more agreeing with you, just explaining one of the person you were arguing with’s points.
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You don’t seem to like the topic so any example anyone provides will be something you don’t like
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Might not be, but your comment sounds like sealioning. You insulting those who downvoted you—especially with that term—doesn’t help your credibility in claiming it was just a simple question.
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Then be prepared to wear your downvote count as a badge of honor.