• MotoAsh@piefed.social
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        Relative to what? My dog might drag his ass across the floor, but at least he can be taught not to do something, and would never vote for Turnip…

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          Relative to every other lifeform we’re aware of. You’re confusing intelligence for wisdom, which we’ve proven to be really, really bad at as a whole.

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            I’d argue wisdom is the defining feature of “human intelligence”, so if you say we’re pretty devoid of that… then we’re not so different from the other animals. It is only our lifespans and the ability to communicate complex ideas that really differentiates us.

            The hardware those thoughts operate on hasn’t changed nearly as much as the cultures it produced.

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        Considering we have genetic similarity of 96% to a chimpanzee, and obviously a lot of that is NOT intelligence, I will venture the guess that we are merely one evolutionary step above other intelligent life on this planet. With many species trailing merely a single step behind like Elephants, dolphins and Chimpanzees that are somewhat equal to each other.
        That one step may be very significant in implications of more sophisticated language ans abstract thinking, but imagine an alien species that has taken a few steps more, and are several steps higher to us than what we are to the chimpanzees.

        I would absolutely reserve the term super-intelligence to something way more intelligent than humans.
        Maybe AI will be such an intelligence in a few decades?

        If you map the limitations of the human mind, and consider things that can be very hard that shouldn’t be, you can take peoples inability to remember names, or inability to remember a 10 digit number for just 5 seconds, how hard we find it to learn foreign languages properly despite they are a construct of our own species specifically for communication with each other. How hard some people find it to understand basic boolean logic etc. etc.
        We are only barely intelligent, and definitely not super intelligent.

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        If AI doubles in intelligence every 2 years, it will be 32 times smarter in 1 decade, 1024 in 2 decades and 32768 in 3 decades.
        Even if the rate is less dramatic, I’m sure we soon will see intelligence way above ours.

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          Genetic similarity is a terrible metric. We also share 80% with a banana slug. I’d bet most of it is evolutionary baggage.

          Evolution doesn’t reward compact code. Probably the opposite.

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          We’re the most intelligent species that we know of, so at that scale saying we’re “super-intelligent” is reasonable. It’s extremely likely that there are far, far more intelligent life forms out there, but until we know about them this is what we have to work with.

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            If a class all flunk an exam, but one is slightly better than the others, would you call that pupil super intelligent?
            As far as I can tell that is where humans are right now, humanity is flunking the most basic of exams extremely badly, with wars pollution and even destroying the planet. We are essentially undermining our own existence as a species. And by that comparison, almost all animals are more intelligent than us.
            But you could argue the way we are committing suicide is very very clever, because lots of money is being made on it.

            As mentioned above, our intelligence is extremely limited in many many ways, so calling it super-intelligence is just weird.

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              There’s nothing to flunk. Intelligence is simply how effectively a being can acquire and apply knowledge and skills. You’re describing wisdom, which is not the same thing. God didn’t say he made humans super-wise.

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                There’s nothing to flunk

                There absolutely is, we are flunking our own survival and undermining our own well being by doing harm to ourselves, and that is absolutely lack of the most basic evolutionary intelligence.
                Also remembering a number with just a few digits for just a few seconds most definitely has NOTHING to do with wisdom, but everything to do with basic intelligence.

                I am most definitely using basic examples of intelligence, and not of wisdom.
                To claim for instance not committing suicide is a form of wisdom, is moronic.
                What part exactly do you think reflect wisdom? What exam have you seen that test wisdom over intelligence?

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      The potential is there. We just turned it off and replaced it with delusions because it’s easier.

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        The potential is there.

        I used to think that too, but honestly Trump/MAGA and the fact they won the American election with an actual majority vote, a country of hundreds of millions of people, that is not a minor fluke, it’s a symptom that humanity is very very sick. If it was an isolated incidence it might have been a fluke, but it is very far from.
        Israel/Gaza and Russia’s war mongering against a peaceful neighbor are also symptoms. China’s claim to Taiwan, and undermining of Taiwan in international relations is also a symptom by a major power with 1.4 billion citizens.
        Together with the fact that the global effort to slow down climate change is completely failing, and we continue to pollute ourselves to death. In great part due to USA not participating according to their ability, but has been dragging their feet in every administration since Jimmy Carter lost the office.

        If we can’t figure these things out, we will not survive, and we don’t deserve to survive, because we will kill not just ourselves but all life on the planet. So we are lucky there isn’t some alien species monitoring us, and finishing us off before we ruin the planet completely.

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    Humanity: uses “super intelligence” to try to build tower to heaven
    God: Now wait just one me-damned second…

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    Super intelligent compared to what? Earthworms? They aerate the soil. We fill it with toxic forever chemicals. Humans are dumb AF.

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    God #1: … I’ll give him a lifespan of 1,000 years!

    God #2: … you don’t think that’s a bit too much?

    God #1: … OK, OK … 80 years then!

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    “Pretty soon, I’m gonna turn invisible and get one of the little ones pregnant, so that she gives birth to me in the form of my son, because I want to fucking die.”