As the small and medium firms grow into large firms, the state exerts more control and subsumes them more into the public sector. This was a gamble, but unlike what happened to the USSR, this was done in a controlled manner that ended up not undermining the socialist system overall.
Yeah and its not like these firms grow on extracting the value added of the workers, because its socialism and its totally different. They just get horrible job conditions for a pay allowing at best sustaining themselves, but its their country because the irreplacable goverment says so.
As for the rest I could actually agree in most points, China clearly played USA, it did manage to pull a lot of people from extream poverty.
That being said it is not communist in everyday life of normal people it could be hardly considered socialist. What I’ve seen is just another totalitarian capitalist state on it neverending path toward better times and I just don’t belive there’s socialism comming out of that. It already developed a new sort of owners class, same as other socialist republics you join the party to conduct your buisnesses, not much different from a american country club or scientologists. Never ending ideological BS and in the end its always the workers paying with their loves.
Id say only time will tell who’s right, but then your cheerleading for a clearly corrupt capitalist state of Russia so no point in arguing on that further.
Yes, small and medium firms do exploit workers more than collectivized industry, correct. Establishing a fully collectivized economy isn’t an overnight endeavor. I think this is where your lack of understanding of Marxism is coming into play, you claim I’m fully sold on ideological dogma but it’s because I’ve read theory and listen to Chinese economists, follow metrics and data, etc that I can see why they are taking the course they are taking and why it works.
The working class supports their system in China, because it has steadily delivered rapid improvements and continues to put the working class first. Socialism is not some moral absence of exploitation, but an economic system, and one that continues to deliver better and better results for the working class.
I don’t “cheerlead” Russia. I know it’s a dictatorship of capital, my critical support for Russia rests in that it opposes the US Empire, has a populace increasingly supportive of returning to socialism, and is a valuable ally and trade partner to socialist countries like China, Cuba, DPRK, etc, and in that respect plays a progressive role in the global transition to socialism and eventually communism.
Yeah and its not like these firms grow on extracting the value added of the workers, because its socialism and its totally different. They just get horrible job conditions for a pay allowing at best sustaining themselves, but its their country because the irreplacable goverment says so.
As for the rest I could actually agree in most points, China clearly played USA, it did manage to pull a lot of people from extream poverty. That being said it is not communist in everyday life of normal people it could be hardly considered socialist. What I’ve seen is just another totalitarian capitalist state on it neverending path toward better times and I just don’t belive there’s socialism comming out of that. It already developed a new sort of owners class, same as other socialist republics you join the party to conduct your buisnesses, not much different from a american country club or scientologists. Never ending ideological BS and in the end its always the workers paying with their loves.
Id say only time will tell who’s right, but then your cheerleading for a clearly corrupt capitalist state of Russia so no point in arguing on that further.
Yes, small and medium firms do exploit workers more than collectivized industry, correct. Establishing a fully collectivized economy isn’t an overnight endeavor. I think this is where your lack of understanding of Marxism is coming into play, you claim I’m fully sold on ideological dogma but it’s because I’ve read theory and listen to Chinese economists, follow metrics and data, etc that I can see why they are taking the course they are taking and why it works.
The working class supports their system in China, because it has steadily delivered rapid improvements and continues to put the working class first. Socialism is not some moral absence of exploitation, but an economic system, and one that continues to deliver better and better results for the working class.
I don’t “cheerlead” Russia. I know it’s a dictatorship of capital, my critical support for Russia rests in that it opposes the US Empire, has a populace increasingly supportive of returning to socialism, and is a valuable ally and trade partner to socialist countries like China, Cuba, DPRK, etc, and in that respect plays a progressive role in the global transition to socialism and eventually communism.