Who’s the other guy?
linus
I really wonder why Linus Torvalds is giving that clown the time of day.
Forgive me if I sound ignorant, I don’t follow the news around LTT that closely.
Didn’t the independent review fail to find any proof of workplace harassment?
Or is there a new scandal or update I don’t know about?
There was more that was going on with LTT than harassment.
Like receiving a loaned prototype that was meant for X card, using it on Y card, saying it was crap cause it didnt fit and didnt work, then selling it at auction… Then coming out and saying he had been in contact with teh company to make amends and they have accepted it, only for the company to immediately torpedo by stating they’ve heard nothing from him.
I’d wager things were not going well behind the scenes, either, with the mass exodus of major talent they had over the past year or so, either. Sure people drift in and out of jobs, but for you to have most of your big names all leave in a relatively small window… That hints at behind the scenes shit maybe not being so bueno.
And theres also the “just trust me bro” warranty on the stupid laptop bag, and him basically going on wan show acting offended and shittalking people who were calling him out for a long history of justifiable criticism against shitty warranties, only to pull the same… but hes gods special angel, so obviously its different with him and how dare you question his glory.
All in all, Linus just strikes as an insufferable twat… and sadly it doesnt seem to be fame going to his head either, because he’s been an insufferable twat on Camera since the goddamn beginning of LTT (I never saw his NCIX videos, but I would assume he was much better behaved on them, since he was representing someone elses brand and ran the risk of firing if he acted a twat), Especially when it comes to any valid criticism towards him, or his channel, or methodology.
I don’t follow this either, but devils advocate, a review would find no wrongdoing without evidence beyond someones word. But just because something isn’t provable, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. At my workplace there is a tenured professor that has been harassing people into quitting for 30 years, and they still don’t have “evidence” beyond someones word, not enough to get around tenure. If they were forced to give a statement they would likely say no wrongdoing.
The entertainment value of LTT is there.
And also some informational. I don’t care about the drama and don’t think Linus is a saint or shit. The videos are good usually. The rest I don’t bother.
And the other one is is a genius, almost saint with anger issues and an enormous enrichment for the world community.
My problem with LTT is that they have demonstrated for years that quality and accuracy isn’t a priority. They also aren’t experts in tech. The drama stuff is just icing on an already bad image.
In your opinion, who is, and is it on a single digit list of people who are for you?
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If LTT fans could read you’re post, they’d be really upset with you
Well we have a guy who created the Linux kernel… and a shitty youtuber.
My money is on Linus
“Lynus” yes, “Leenoos” probably has slower reflexes
“Linus Torvalds is married to Tove Torvalds (née Monni), a six-time Finnish national karate champion, whom he met in late 1993”
Has this video been published yet?
Video was shot and is being edited, recently teased on Wan Show
I hear Linus sleeps with nunchucks
as long as they’re consenting
The quote attributed to Linus Torvalds, “Software is like sex: it’s better when it’s free,” emphasizes the value of freedom in software, meaning users should have the liberty to use, modify, and distribute software without restrictions, rather than focusing solely on cost.
It underscores the importance of open collaboration and the long-term benefits of freely shared code, drawing a parallel to the idea that both software and sex are more fulfilling when made with Freedom, not Pressure and its collaborative with good intent for everyone, taking everyone involved into consideration.
Is this real?
Real as in “are they sword fighting to the death?” - no
Real as in “have they come together in person to take a picture?” - likely yes
Yes, they recently shot a video together.
Link?
Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me Princess
CD-i Link has entered the chat…
I was more hoping for the “Well Excuuuuuseee me, Princess” Link, but I’ll take it.
Wow. I have a bit more respect for one than the other. The dweeb made a video where he pretended to try Linux and botched it on purpose
Then again, if you say that Linux Desktop sucks, the real Linus will probably agree with you.
Not on purpose in the way you are suggesting… he tried it all on his own in earnest, but made a dumb mistake not reading the prompt carefully enough or trying to understand it. But, he only got into that situation because of an error on Pop OS! maintainers’ part. It was an unknown issue at the time until he uncovered it. OCAU thread that discussed the issue at the time
I’ve done a long analysis of that incident on using the swiss cheese model, it boils down to:
- There was a bugged version of steam.deb released that would throw an incompatibility with some weirder desktops, to include Pop!_OS’ kind-of-not-quite-Cosmic-yet fork of Gnome. This incompatibility would have it uninstall the entire GUI. Including X11.
- This bug was found and patched long before this. But, the bugged version just happened to be in the apt cache of the image of Pop!_OS that Linus installed.
- Pop!_OS didn’t perform an apt update at any point during the onboarding cycle, or when launching the Pop!_Shop.
- Linus went to install Steam, the Pop!_Shop saw that scary warning about uninstalling the GUI, and refused to do it.
- Instead of googling “popos failed to install steam” and learning how to update before installing, Linus yelled at the camera about Linux requiring the terminal, googled how to install it from the terminal.
- Most install instructions for Debian-based Linux tell you to apt update and apt upgrade before an apt install, but Linus seems to have only found the apt install instruction.
- Possibly because Windows always says doing something can damage your computer, Linus ignored the warning and forced the install to continue.
- APT happily uninstalled X11.
A lot of the fault falls on the design of Pop!_OS and how it handles the apt cache, that somehow neither the onboarding process nor launching the Pop!_Shop did it. Most of the time it’s mostly not a problem mostly. But one time it was a major problem, on international television. In the same episode, Luke installed Linux Mint, and showed it prompting him to install updates, which refreshes the apt cache and prevents problems like this.
Some of it does fall on Linus. Rather than attempting do diagnose and solve a problem, he threw a little bitch fit.
What’s notable though is Linus’ experience is likely to be very typical of an average non-technical Windows user’s experience when it comes to dealing with problems.
To seemingly lose the ability to read when an error occurs and then just try and slam it through regardless instead of pumping the brakes and asking for help is all too common.
Yeah I feel like anyone who blames Linus for this is missing the point. Was it dumb, yes, but if we want the average (or even a bit tech-savy) Windows gamer to transition to Linux then the distro they use needs to be resistant to this. Most people don’t read shit, they just want things to work so they can play their games. And they’ll happily click through multiple warnings to get there.
I’m on year 5 of fully committed to Linux everything (minus work) and I still assume “oh yeah I can probably just sudo force the thing I want. Reading logs takes too long” and yeah it bites me in the ass sometimes.
Its weird to hold Linus (Tech Tips) to such a high standard for no other reason than he makes tech YouTube videos.
I’m a fucking sys admin and I make the same mistakes. Its human. I’m glad he’s at least making Linux seem accessible while also bringing to light the realities of how different the troubleshooting strat is from Windows to Linux.
There’s a personality cult around Linus Torvalds and a hate cult around Linus Sebastian. Neither are as perfect or imperfect as their respective cults make them out to be, and Linus Sebastian isn’t anywhere on the level of fame or merit that Linus Torvalds is. That’s pretty much it.
I do think Linus should be held to a higher standard than the average joe, but yeah. IMO he should have done his due diligence to do things right. It was just very low effort for a guy whose professional life revolves around tech.
Some people go way too far with lambasting him though.
This was really interesting to read.
I don’t get your logic. Why would he do it on purpose? He’s been advocating for and promoting Linux gaming for years now, why would he fail on purpose.
Honestly, what happened seems like something pretty normal for someone that isn’t a programmer or system admin. I remember when consoles were black boxes to me and I wouldn’t understand anything that was written in there even though today it might seem extremely obvious. It was just bad luck that his attempt lined up with a Pop!_OS bug, he didn’t expect that such a normal use case as installing Steam would result in him deleting his desktop environment, and just saw the last line and did what it said.
He’s been advocating for and promoting Linux gaming for years now
I haven’t seen any evidence of that.
I don’t agree at all that the average user would read that warning and proceed. I have seen many people freeze up and cancel upon seeing messages nowhere near that level just because they didn’t understand. That was maybe the scariest warning I’ve seen. It explicitly said it probably would break the system. I always find it odd when people act like it’s normal behavior to proceed in that situation.
I haven’t seen any evidence of that.
He talks about wanting Linux to succed and win marketshare over Windows on many WAN shows, and in general, he is positive towards Linux in the sense that he wants it to win, but he also feelt like it wasn’t ready yet for real mass adoption. For example, he’s rooting for Valve and the SteamDeck and Steam machine to be a success and has been widely positive of Proton and what it has managed to achieve. Perhaps you want him to make videos about Linux, in which case, yes, he hasn’t made that many dedicated videos on it, but on streams he is often positive whenever talking about it.
Also, why are people defending the scumbag for any reason? He was caught manipulating benchmarks after getting paid by a hardware company (forget which company, easy to Google this)
If this is based on the GamersNexus videos, those are pretty absurd hit pieces that seemed to come from some bizarre place of resentment. They’ve had process issues when it comes to how they benchmark hardware, but never anything paid or purposefully misleading.
I’m honestly wondering if you’ve confused it with something else.
If that’s the case, could you link a source then? Because I wasn’t able to find it with a quick Google search He has been the subject of many controversies over the years, most of which have been wildly misinterpreted.
This is basically a hit piece that has been in many ways disproven. Linus and his team are a bunch of apes but that means they are mostly incompetent, not actually malicious.
On purpose, or on stupid? Answers prompt with “I know what I am doing”, breaks system, complains.
…while being forced to do so to achieve a basic thing, and after finding it as the solution on the web (because it usually is). Remember, Pop!_OS screwed up so badly that the installation of a common user program caused the removal of core system packages. While it’s correct to expect people to read warnings, expecting beginners and common users to either learn about the (very complex) inner workings of an operating system just to install something or to let go of their entire gaming library is unreasonable. And although Linus of course should have an interest in learning these things given his work and should’ve taken more care, the video was specifically to showcase how their experience as new users look like. And Pop!_OS was generally regarded as user-friendly, not as solely aimed at professionals (important detail).
If the only solution to a problem with a very common task on a user-friendly OS is hidden behind an advanced-level skill wall (yes, knowing all the important packages if your OS means you’re an advanced user) that may kill you if you do a single wrong action then your system offers shitty solutions.
Fortunately both user-friendly distros and aspects of them like Flatpak have gone way further since then, so this shouldn’t happen as easily anymore. The warnings in apt are way more noticeable now too I think. The Linux community learned from all the bad press… most of it at least.
He explained he was trying to approach it as an average user. But that seems disengenous to me. That warning was scary as fuck. Anyone stupid enough to go far out of their way to break their system against very strong warnings, gets what they get. The average users I know wouldn’t have done that unless they were pretty much done trying and didn’t care if it broke their system anyhow
Windows says shit like “This may harm your computer” for just about anything, especially installing software. Windows users are trained to ignore warnings like that, warnings in Linux are serious.
On the other hand, yes. Reading what is on a computer screen is beyond 117.9% of the population.
This is basically my take on it. Windows has conditioned me to ignore any and all warnings. It would be super easy for me fall into a trap like that on Linux.
Going back to Windows after awhile, you start to wonder how you dealt with it.
Disagree to all.
Reading what is on a computer screen is beyond 117.9% of the population
Then I guess there would have been no problem there, since you have to read the screen and then type or copy/paste an explicit statement that is essentially impossible to miss. This was not “warning blah blah blah. OK/Cancel” that could be glossed over.
Father Linus T has had that name longer.
Linus is taking his rants more seriously these days I see 😆
The name of my sword? It’s “go fuck yourself”.
You know what is also really sharp? This segue, to our sponsor.
“May the sudo be with you”
Linus will win!
Sometimes, “Yes, do as I say!” just doesn’t get the message through.
I’m seeing double here, four Linus’s!
… four?
The katana are also named Linus.
The horse’s name is Linus
Really? It could have told me at any point while we went through that fucking desert!
Probably didn’t want to be known by you on a first name basis until you got into the regular desert.
Fair.
Thank you, I have now been unwooshed
Just doing my job.
This is getting out of hand, now there are eight of them.
There can be, Only One.
