Prepare for war with who? Couldn’t possibly be Russia or China, that’s a day one loss. Is it their old foe, France?
Falkland Islands 2, Electric Boogaloo
Is it their old foe, France?
I’m getting the UK apology forms ready as we speak
They are going to invade Venezuela with the US.
Starmer watched 28 days later
Is it their old foe, France?
Turns out this was the real plan behind Brexit /s. The thing about a military is you may turn it against someone else after it is prepared, the reason you gave for militarization does not need to match the final purpose.
I find it somewhat ironic how the economies of Europe are so intertwined to prevent war (the official reason), but their core military organization is handled on a strictly national(ist) level.
Good thinking. Europe might be just gearing up to dominate Africa again
Talking to libs about this is so fucking depressing. They all claim to be horrified by the looming prospect of ww3 but are utterly incapable of envisioning any solution other than ratcheting up tensions on the arms race. Last time I talked to my father about this topic he told me he wants Canada to get nukes, I was just speechless. Where do these people envision this brinkmanship ending up?
Libs seem to think the only way to prevent world war 3 is to destroy or subjugate the rest of the world. So the only way to prevent the world war is to have it, I guess. Somehow that makes sense
Yeah that’s about it. When I told him I think we should defund the military he said that there are “people who would slit your throat the second they get the chance if you let them”. Just the most chauvinistic old school racist savage barbarians at the gates type nonsense. It was a good reminder why I stopped trying to talk to him about politics.
people who say shit like that creep me out, it feels like they would murder people if they think they could get away with it. makes me think of the God-humpers who will say “everyone would just [redacted] and murder without God” but reasonable people say “I’m doing as much of that stuff as I want right now: zero”
there’s also of course zero thought as to what kind of material conditions would make the putative throat-slitter so desperate or how those conditions came to be. nope, they’re just evil brown savages or whatever
They tend to be the people who fantasize about
murdering their neighbors“fending for themselves” in the apocalypse
He was confessing. Thats a confession
idk some trump acolyte might take that 51st state shit seriously someday.
The cold war promised multiple generations the end of the world. The end never came, the west won, and now in their final years have a yearn for what was promised
Yeah because their ideology was utterly false and just a facade for privatization. The lives of the working class in the west immediately started going down hill at the same time that old soviet union they hated so much did.
Also I guess they genuinely thought communism wouldn’t work? Cause they forgot about several other parts of the world when they “won” that cold war.
They are not horrified. They might be uncomfortable with it, but how can you be horrified if you think the most powerful army in the world is protecting you and keeping you safe and warm?
Is there some good agitprop showing identical pro-war propaganda on the eve of WW1 in western media, so I can show libs that it’s exactly the same?
If you’re willing to do some research I’ve found libraries’ newspaper archives to be a good source for that sort of thing, a couple years ago I did some poking around to see what the Allied coverage of the battle of the somme looked like compared to one of Ukraine’s counteroffensives
Thanks for the recs, I think it’s work worth doing.
It definitely reinforced my skepticism of news media, contrasting the old newspaper reports of the first day of the battle vs what we know from hindsight and then just looking at how conflicts like Ukraine are covered vs the footage on the ground. For example, how many times have you heard of “Russian meat waves”? If you just read certain media reports you’d think it’s the opening scene of Enemy At The Gates every day, while I have yet to see anything even close to a mass infantry attack. You’d think if such footage existed it’d be everywhere as proof of the “Russian disregard for human life”…
tf do they mean they’re developing plans to prepare? They didn’t already have some kind of contingency?
Really depressing talking to even so called “leftists” about massive militarization by Europe, Japan and Canada they will just attack you and support it by claiming Russia as some massive threat that mandates spending billions on arming their military or as one Canadian did a couple weeks ago absurdly claim Canadian militarization is good because they are preparing for an imminent American invasion north like that’s really what Canada is going to do with their death machines.
hostile intelligence activity against the UK has jumped by more than 50% over the past year.
if you take even half a second to think about this it sounds stupid. what are they measuring?
Could just be worried people calling to report scary drones 50% more than previously, the imperialist’s metrics really are almost meaningless.
what are they measuring?
They are measuring things they report themselves. “This year we have reported 50% more incidents, give us 500% more funding”.
As someone from
, I have somewhat mixed feelings about the ongoing militarization in European countries.As long as Germany doesn’t have a real military, it will only ever be a vassal state of the US. The same goes for all EU states. Do I think Germany or the UK for that matter will use their militaries to liberate themselves from US control and end Western hegemony? Absolutely not, they will probably do fascism. But I still think it’s a prerequisite to end the imperial core as we know it.
What’s important is to examine how they’re preparing their military. Are they building their own weapons and hardware, or are they just buying US-made? Sovereignty isn’t something that can be bought, they need the industrial capacity to actually build a war.
There’s some of that, but a lot of their plans seem to just involve increased purchases.
Capitalism baby! You Buy your way out of your problems by paying the ones responsible for the situation even more money! That’ll show em
As long as Germany doesn’t have a real military, it will only ever be a vassal state of the US.
Cool. As a European myself witnessing the death of the western empire, we should be cheering for that. Less militarization means less likelihood of Europe turning to Africa Colonialism 2 Electric Boogaloo while it still has the upper hand. In 5 years all of the EU will be ruled by far right parties, the weaker the state repression apparatus (including military) the better for everyone.
They are not militarizing to fight the US lol.
Germany really has only two options left: keep being dependent on the US for energy, or invade Russia and steal their resources.
The green energy transition plan is being killed by China’s much superior renewable tech, and if Europe opens up to China, their domestic economy is going to be even deader than dead. This makes them even more reliant on the US consumer market.
So, they are militarizing to conquer Russia to gain independence from the US, since the economic cooperation route has been denied (the US bombing Nord Stream). The exact same shit that happened 90 years ago.
They are not militarizing to fight the US lol.
Please read my comment before giving an obnoxious response. I am under no illusions about this.
Nothing obnoxious about it. Please tell me how Germany’s rebuilding of its military capability can stop itself from being a US vassal?
The US is not militarily invading Germany anytime soon, nor is Germany capable of reaching the US across the Atlantic anytime soon. The US exerts its influence over Germany by manipulating its ability to access energy, resources and global market through restricting trade and sanctions with other countries.
For example, the Ukraine war killed Nord Stream. Trump’s tariffs forced China to dump cheap EVs and solar panels on to the EU, which is killing the European green tech industries.
Germany’s militarization is driven by its neoliberal ideology (that its economy has to be driven by a trade surplus export strategy). And because Germany needs to run a trade surplus under such constraints, it will have no choice but to steal resources from the other countries, hence all the war rhetoric against Russia.
This was exactly what led to the rise of Nazi Germany back in the 1930s. The US simply demanded its war debt repayment from the Allied powers, which far exceeded their capacity to repay at the time, so they turned to the defeated Germany to squeeze even more out of them to service their debt. In response, Germany militarized and invaded Europe and Russia. The entire predicament was dictated by global capital. The same happens today.
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they’re a pretty bad analyst who has rooked a bunch of hexbears by neoliberal-posting on economic shit that nobody is well versed in so it looks Important and Serious, but this reply to you is a perfect encapsulation of their rhetoric
She doesn’t mean fight literally but rather in terms of sovereign ability to make their own decisions.
Russia didn’t have nukes 90 years ago
I’ll only trust European militarization if they buy Russian/Chinese/Iranian weapons. If they’re making their own weapons, they’ll probably just pick on some Global South country or think they stand a chance against Russia/China/Iran.
As long as Germany doesn’t have a real military, it will only ever be a vassal state of the US.
That would be the Switzerland mountain fortress strategy, stay “neutral” while maintaining a massive military, I guess. At least a strong military gives you the option to be neutral between power-blocks? Thats the only positive one might see in this.
I fucking hate this shit.
I agree though.
The European arms race was a major factor in ww1’s breakout. Fucking hell…
Don’t worry, WW1 was mainly kicked off by Russian intervention against the murder of Slavs.
Slouching towards Bethlehem, etc
I remember when people gave me shit for refusing to vote Labour because “we have to get the tories out at all costs”
Now we have an even bigger shitshow in charge
“developing plans to prepare”
When i develop plans to prepare for lunch you know that foods going out on time /s
Rapidly developing plans on how to Escape to Bahamas for a nice holiday, while the people of European nations continue to do absolutely nothing about it.
What army? They can’t even unite under 1 economy.
Oh fuck yeah, the most deluded country on earth thinking they can do anything without its colonies. This reckoning has been coming for 400 years
read this as “rapidly devolving” at first
Europe has no countries, only collectives of consumers. I find it laughable that after decades of pursuing the atomization and destruction of society (of which the UK’s Margaret Thatcher was a pioneer of) any one of these authority figures would even entertain the thought of mobilizing the population to fight on their behalf. If they ever get the war they want it will manifest through drones and nuclear bombs, because those are the only things they can use reliably and will never question their authority.
Atomization and destruction of society actually made the population much more vulnerable to conscription. They can just snatch people off the street and absolutely nobody will be able to do anything against.
With that comes a sharp economic decline, desertion, and migration.
And where will Europeans migrate? To the US?
Well, the sharp economic decline is already in full swing so…when do we desert?
They can just snatch people off the street
We all are seeing how well this wonderful tactic is working for Ukraine.
Ukraine managed to mobilize a massive army and keeps it functional. Of course, it comes at a price of inevitable demographic and economic collapse, but it will be the problem for some other government.
keeps it functional
Eh. Desertion rates have skyrocketed, and the entire Ukrainian army + conscripts + weapons from all the imperial west can’t even properly defend themselves against Russia alone using mostly volunteers without forceful conscription. EU won’t have war on its own soil because nobody wants to invade Europe, good luck sending western conscripts to fight to other countries.
Regardless: isn’t the economic collapse of Europe something to cheer for? I say this as a European.
The war is going for 4 years already, almost like WWI. The level of mobilization is still much lower than in WWI, but it is anyway an impressive achievement.
TBH, I think that the economic collapse in Europe will just bring open fascism. Left-wing parties are either weak and disorganized or shameless sellouts, while fascists are on the rise.
TBH, I think that the economic collapse in Europe will just bring open fascism
That’s how it’s always been, there’s no example of a socialist revolution in any industrialized country. There will undoubtedly first be fascism in Europe, socialism may come later.
Lol good luck with that
