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The end of the web as I knew it happened 28 years ago, and 20 years ago, and 12 years ago.
The web is just a fad. We’ll go back to watching VHS tapes any day now
Don’t threaten me with a good time!
I legit have been considering buying a minidisc player, just for the sheer cool factor of them. Sometimes truly special form is lost as function evolves.
minidiscs should have been the standard CDs became. no one would have considered holding a 3.5" floppy disc gingerly by the edges and placing it into a tray to read. the case is critical.
however, the industry realized people were replacing their scratched cd’s, so they’d sell 2, 3 of the same disc to the same person. Source: worked at a record store in the hight of the CD age when mini discs were all but essentially snuffed out
I mean, maybe not the mini disk specifically, but yah, a cartridge system for CDs would have been better.
Mini disks are super cool but they’re a lot more materially demanding than a CD, CDs being just aluminum and plastic, where as a minidisc has some truly wacky elements in it’s make up to get the magneto optical and curie point to work.
I mean you clearly know way more about it than me… but yeah some kind of carrier/cartridge protecting the disc and we’d probably still be using CD-W-RW’s
The mini disk was a truly weird system. Half way between a cassette and a CD. CD used a laser to to reflect off bumps(or dyes in some varieties) on the disk to get a signal, and a cassette would use a metal head to detect magnetization along the tape to get a signal.
The mini disk used a laser to read the magnetization around the disk. Essentially the magnetism would change the polarity of the light as it bounced off, and by measuring what the polarity of the reflected light is, the device got the signal.
Writing to the disk was also wild, as unlike the cassette, the magnetic field of the disk couldn’t just be changed by putting it next to a strong magnet like. Instead, it had to be heated up before the magnetism could be changed, this heating was done with the laser, and was very precise compared to a cassette’s method. This meaning way more information could be squeezed on to the disk than on a cassette.
no shit… thats wild, really. heh. I always presumed it was an optical disk in a little case
There were several attempts to chain CDs to caddys, kind of like Laser Disc none stuck.
There were also Zip (250MB) and Jazz (1GB) Drives that were pretty amazing for their day. Unfortunately media was expensive. Jazz was pretty great for backups though.
money! just production costs I’d say. I took a 3D design class forever ago and they made us get Zip disks, and if you wanted to work on stuff at home that meant you needed a zip drive. My dad (RIP) bought me a drive and I’m somehow still touched as it was a reasonably big purchase at the time for a slacker 18 year old doing 3D design at a community college
Not a 3D designer now, finally went back to college for something else in my 20s… anyway, rip my dad and rip the zip drive, they were cool. 100mb wow
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The AI will become utter garbage, mark my words. It will complete the downfall of the internet though first. What will come after internet? Hard to say maybe we will exchange culture in VR? Probably at some point every kind of forum will be unreadable from automated marketing and propaganda. Reddit already is. Lemmy is too small… yet but it will crash even harder if it is noticed by the wrong people. 2 years tops to enjoy this medium
Though I admit I am somewhat of a doomer inclined so maybe there is a way to create alternative that cannot be poisoned
🎵 it’s the end of the web as we know it, and i feel fine 🎵
No discredit to R.E.M. but my world’s been ending for over a decade and I feel like dogshit constantly. Nobody told me the apocalypse would be heralded by the dumbest fucking cryptobros and AI prompters the world’s ever seen.
This reminds me a bit of this photo:
We thought the data was forever, but somehow not so.
Kagi AI generated summary. (I had to do it)
The web has become an extraordinary public resource, but it is now at risk of being destroyed by the advent of AI. Generative AI models like large language models (LLMs) are disrupting the traditional relationship between writers/creators and their audiences. LLMs can synthesize answers to queries, cutting out the original creators and leading to the rise of “large language model optimization” (LLMO) - manipulating AI outputs to serve special interests. This threatens to degrade the quality of information on the open web, as creators may stop producing content for the public commons. To preserve the web, search engines need to act more like publishers, platforms need to nurture human creative communities, and AI developers must recognize the importance of maintaining a healthy web ecosystem for their own benefit.
Trying to decide if it’s too ironic to respond based on that summery.
I wonder if the nft tech could be used to mark everything real with a proof of authenticity. Then those things that aren’t on the chain would be considered suspicious and you would have automated green border around any content that is authentic and red for the outside of the blockchain
How could that help at all? Seeing as the blockchain would have no way of telling the difference between human and Ai text, and if you could find a way to automatically verify that in way way that was so efficient you could expect all the text uploaded to the internet you could just run that program locally and not be beholden to people paying a fee to post anything to the internet.
I think there needs to be a verification process to get on blockchain. Some kind of reputation system maybe
Akin to certificates. Problem is poisoning though or other manipulation. It will be really fun problem to solve
I can’t imagine any sort of verification system not being completely overrun by bots/people on fiver/ mechanical turk immediately unless you tied it to meatspace IDs in an know your customer sort of way, in which case you would definitely need a central organization to do said verification, which eliminates any possible need for a blockchain as said organization can just use a faster, far cheaper, and most importantly for this application editable database.
More to the point, no one doubts that an article published by one organization was secretly published by another, but rather that they secretly used AI in the writing process, which also negates the system because that organization is never going to tell you which articles are done by AI, and any sort of reporting system for the entire organization or a specific author is just going to be immediately and constantly used to review bomb.
Yeah it is very difficult problem, fun stuff
I’d give a lot to reap the fame of the one who solves it but haha I am well below the skill level
Well, whatever the solution to this problem is, I’m fairly sure “put a blockchain on it” isn’t going to be it. Distributed ledgers do potentially have some uses, but using them to carry “proof of humanity” information doesn’t make much sense
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If everyone can sign their content, who verifies them as “real”?
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So again deleted my comment accidentally omg. I very like this idea. It’s burdensome but every phone already has simillar scanner. I wonder about privacy though. Can it be anonymised like monero?
I imagine it as an optional feature and then verified people can opt in to only show other verified humans in some kind of next gen web similar to fediverse. Then two layers form naturally one of verified humans and the good old internet Wild West.
Because it’s a centralized system owned by a sociopath billionaire gathering unchanging, personal details about swaths of the population using ye olde “for the greater good” adage as the justification. You’d have to be a special kind of fool to go along with it.
I guess blind people really aren’t human… (/s)
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Again?
AI can’t kill the World Wide Web, capitalism already did.
