EDIT: I should’ve read the article, but I’m taking the L and leaving this up with a strikethrough. The phrasing “after” in the headline definitely creates the wrong impression here. As for what this says about people, I guess we’ll have to see if the other ten whistleblowers still testify.
And if you think it’s too much to assume Boeing killed these two people, that’s the wrong question. It matters more whether as a fellow whistleblower it’s reasonable to worry about whether Boeing killed them, and I think it is.
Also Boeing definitely killed the first guy at least. “If I die, it’s not suicide.” - man who “committed suicide”. WTAF.
If you ever hear anyone talking about how humans suck and we’re all terrible and will definitely destroy ourselves, just think about the fact that killing whistleblowers was quickly followed by more whistleblowers. Not just lone heros, but ten fucking people said, “hey, fuck you, are you really gonna kill me too?” knowing that the answer could well be “yes”.Funny, just yesterday probably I was arguing with someone in another thread that was saying the people here don’t actually think Boeing had these whistleblowers killed, it was just making “implications and jokes.”
And here, very clearly, with a massive number of upvotes we have someone claiming that Boeing had them killed and that resulted in brave souls coming out afterward. lol
However, this also exposes another huge complaint I have with your typical lemmy-er (lemming? lemmite? what do you call a user of lemmy?): Almost no one reads the fucking article.
This isn’t about new whistleblowers coming out, but their lawyer claiming he is afraid that current whistle blowers will be “scared away.”
But, of course, what I’ve learned on reddit and even more so on lemmy is that the facts don’t matter, only the narrative.
Almost no one reads the fucking article.
You are describing the human species. Through its entire history.
Agreed. Although I will say… While people not reading the articles was extremely common on reddit… Sadly, I feel like Lemmy is even worse about it.
When I first started on reddit many years ago, while it was clear some people didn’t read the article, usually the top comment in the thread usually showed that they read the article, unless it was some kind joke. Over time it definitely got worse.
I was hoping when jumping to Lemmy that I would be able to recapture some of that magic.
Lemmy has a lot of good things going for it, but what I got in that regard is the top comment, with 100% upvotes, clearly not having read the article and spewing some unsubstantiated conspiratorial claims. It’s like being in r/conspiracy sometimes.
Yeah if you think we don’t do our due deligence, you should go to more right leaning social media, it’s all sound bites and knee jerk reactions.
Yes, varying people have different opinions on subjects. It is easy to think a comment with upvotes is the way the hivemind goes, but the hivemind has multiple factions.
I, personally, have no opinion on the matter. The dude was septic and had a stroke. While it seems unlikely that was murder, I guess it is possible if you have infinite resources to make it look natural. But that is one HELL of a coincidence to have two whistle-blowers die . … like. … pretty fucking insane. Watch these next ten all die and no one important bats an eye.
Almost no one reads the fucking article
Same as it ever was
Yes but our current society vests power in the corporation doing the killing. It’s a problem as old as civilization, but one we still haven’t solved. The problem is that these institutions and the technology they wield has never been greater.
We need an impartial lawnmower. Something external to the species that comes in and cuts the biggest ones in half. And it needs to be incorruptible and powerful enough to do this.
Damn, I think I just invented god again.
"This world needs no savior,
just a headsman to cut her down".
“Erscheine!” (2008) By Eisregen, translated from German.
I like to think that climate change is that lawnmower, we either learn to cooperate or die.
The Germans did this…
I needed to see this, just in general, today
I mean If it was an organized thing then I’m not sure it’s so dumb
They can kill two people but if ten more people die it would look really bad on there part and would become undeniable
It already looks really bad
I don’t know seems like everyone I know is convinced that the first two murders were coincidence. What is keeping 10 more being that way?
The first was probably murder, the second just coincidence.
Or they just tried harder to make it seem like a coincidence.
I was talking to someone the other day who was really bent out of shape over an extremely unpleasant customer. The kind of interaction that sticks with you for years.
I told my perspective on people. We tend to remember remarkable things - stuff that really stands out from the normal. The news media does the same thing. Normal, everyday stuff isn’t “newsworthy.”
So when an asshole customer stands out that much, it’s because it’s such a rare experience. People are mostly good, so the goodness doesn’t stand out.
Yeah, bad customers can ruin your day, but I remember doing customer service that one good customer with a nice smile can make your day good again. That’s why I always make an effort to be as nice as possible.
Counterpoint. There was one whistleblower killed, there are lots of people on this case like Boeing staff, government employees, the police, senators, the president, who haven’t done shit. Now there are two murders. Any of the people who SHOULD be doing something about it doing anything? No. Now there are 12 brave people against the thousands of shit people.
Anyone saying humans suck and are terrible is likely a terrible person themselves. Decent people tend to see the better aspect of humanity.
This is a leap. You can be a good person and also see that people as a whole can be both wonderful and absolutely terrible. This is a story about a mega corp murdering two whistleblowers, so far. In this case, the people involved in making this a headline suck and are terrible.
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There is plenty of evidence of foul play you smartass. They willingly risked lives over many years and are still currently flying many planes with defective unsafe parts. Going from that to assasination is not a big leap.
Multiple of the whistleblowers and their colleagues have also independently said that their workplace was directly and deliberately sabotaged in order to continue using defective parts.
Yes the last one doesnt really look like a typical assasination but it doesnt matter in the slightest if it was or not.
Well…the first dude did say something about Boeing killing whistleblowers and the bravery of others to step up in defiance of that.
So that whole line of thinking is conspiracy theory stuff with no real proof and it is being parroted here. Granted, usually the assassination stuff is usually tongue in cheek, but the top comment seems a bit crazy.
I agree that calling it “killing whistleblowers” is a bit too early, but for the point that the top comment was making, it doesnt actually matter. Because his point was about the bravery of the other whistleblowers coming out and for that it doesnt matter if they actually got killed or not.
The 10 other whistleblowers are brave because there is a good chance that at least one of the whistleblowers was killed. They are still brave even if it turns out that the dead ones died of natural causes or suicide.
If the “bravery” and admiration comes against the idea of assassination, then it completely matters. Idk why you’re hand waving the nonsense here
If the whistleblowers truly believe that the previous ones were assassinated, then they are brave for speaking out. They might be stupid, foolish, whatever, but they would be even more stupid if they didnt consider the possiblity of it being true.
Intent is what matters here not what is actually the case. This is obvious when it comes to law. For example if a judge decides that you truly believed that your life was in danger in a situation and that you had to act in self defense, you can usually not be sentenced for murder, even if it turns out that your life wasnt in danger after all.
Really this is a grammatical framing problem, but i think its totally fair to call these people “brave” either way, because even if their lives arent in danger, then at least their livelihood is.
1: I wholeheartedly believe being a whistleblower is a courageous and brave act. Full stop.
2: drawing conclusions as to why these people decided to speak up when they did without hearing it from them is nonsense.
3: assuming and repeating a John Gresham novel from news articles between corporations and their whistleblowers is not only buying into a conspiracy theory, but is also parroting it.
4: partaking in these conspiratorial shenanigans helps no one and isn’t something to be waved away as harmless - otherwise, what’s the difference here and qanon?
Even if the dude that “killed himself” did do it to himself, he did so because he was harassed by a company for doing his job. Even in the non conspiracy version of the story, the corporation still acted in bad faith and should be held liable for it’s actions. Why is this the hill you want to die on?
OK, but that’s a pretty big difference from hiring a hitman to explicitly murder him.
Yes, it is different.
No one is saying Boeing execs shouldn’t be prosecuted.
It’s very naive to think that a weapons dealer who also kills it’s commercial airline passengers for profit isn’t also killing whistleblowers.
2 people dying is kind of fishy.
Nice try Boeing
I’m on your side dude, the response here is kinda nuts.
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Three-day old account, I wouldn’t be surprised if they had another one that was banned.
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Yeah Kbin really jumped the shark. I gave up on it as well. Maybe one day Ernst will do literally everything that he said he would but… today is not that day, nor was yesterday, and I’m done waiting. In the meantime I’m wondering if I should block the entire instance due to all the spam that the complete lack of moderation (in some communities) is sending out to the entire Fediverse. Seriously, I am surprised it hasn’t been hit by waves of CP as many other instances have, in an attempt to swat it by getting the FBI involved. Anyway, I hope you enjoy your new instance better!:-) Weird conversations such as is happening on this post aside, the Fediverse is kind of a neat place!
Also, you might check the list of which instances Kbin blocks by default, and choose to block them here (Settings -> Blocks, scroll way down to instances). e.g. lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net are some really common ones that people often block. Ofc you feel free to do you, and decide first what you want to see in your feed!:-) I just mention that bc after leaving the safe and protected Kbin.social I game close to leaving Lemmy too, until I blocked those two instances and it improved my experience on the Fediverse 95%.
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Yeah… linking was hard for me to figure out.
For a user, you hit the @ sign then start typing, then you may have to wait a bit and it will make a list of every user that matches that partial string that you typed, and you have to select it from the list for it to convert into the actual link - e.g. @bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone.
For communities, I’m only recently learning this myself, it’s the ! sign and then the same process - e.g. !technology@lemmy.world.
You can hit the view source - icon to the right of up & down votes, left of reply - to see how it translates into, but that’s a LOT to try to remember, while the above is a lot easier process. The web browser UI isn’t really intuitive though - e.g. there are no buttons for either of those, and a bunch of other stuff doesn’t work all that well either when you click it, plus beware of clicking the formatting help button b/c it won’t open a new tab or anything - even though you can ONLY access it from within an EXISTING reply, nonetheless by default it will obliterate all of the text that you have typed so far and navigate to another page. None of the other options do that… but despite how there is basically zero distinction wrt its icon color or placement that might hint at that fact, that one behaves fundamentally differently from all the rest of them. So, if you are struggling, note that it may not be your fault: Lemmy is still in its infancy, and a lot of this isn’t as “polished” as it may one day become.
I still love it 100-fold better than Kbin’s interface. I did not think that I would, but I do.
Tbh, I feel less bad for Ernst the more time that goes by. At first I thought he was a GREAT dude, to take upon himself that whole concept of entirely re-envisioning the whole Lemmy code, and I definitely get that he was handed a bunch of lemons by life, but he also was the only one who decided what to do with them. e.g. he could have allowed a couple of other admins onto the kbin.social instance, even if he retained full & total control of the code side of things. I would not dream of trying to tell him what to do but… I also have the same rights, and since I no longer trust his word, him having broken it far too many times, I don’t think I will ever go back, even if everything that he hoped to do with Kbin ends up being done. He’s made his choices, and I do not respect them, though meanwhile everyone will move on regardless - which I do agree is really sad, especially after such an auspicious beginning, and along with everything I am saying I really truly do wish him the best, but… I am no longer willing to hold my breath anxiously awaiting that to happen anytime soon.
But this whole thread is about assuming the worst based on half info, why would they stop when you’re saying something they don’t like?
One death is coincidental, two is suspicious, any more and it’s gonna become plainly obvious, and now there’s 10. That’s just delicious. They can’t silence them all.
1 dead whistleblower is a tragedy. 10 dead whistleblowers are a statistic.
nice reference 10/10
10/10 survive yes?
I give it a perfect 5/7
With rice?
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So in other words, very plausible deniability.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/heart-attack-gun
We had that tech in 1968. I’m pretty sure it would be a matter of a phone call and some change from the couch cushions for Boeing to create the recent outcome.
Does this mean they did it? No.
Does it warrant the reaction folks are having about it? Absolutely yes. (Edit - In light of their current troubles and the fate of the prior whistleblower.)
which could cause death in minutes without leaving a trace.
Aside from the puncture wound.
From the article:
All that would be left behind was a tiny red dot where the dart entered the body, undetectable to those who didn’t know to look for it.
They may have ironed that out, this article is talking about tech that is more than half a century old. We got from first aeroplane to man on the moon in less than that.
Which can be missed by an examiner
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Well that’s it. Case closed. The existence of a heart attack gun in 1968 proves Boeing killed 2 whistleblowers in 2024. Good job gang.
Literally no one has made that statement, including me, the guy who brought up the heart attack gun. Take a breath man.
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Does this mean they did it? No.
Does it warrant the reaction folks are having about it? Absolutely yes. (Edit - In light of their current troubles and the fate of the prior whistleblower.)
I stand by that statement, and don’t feel like trying again to connect the dots on the relevancy of my example for you. Whatever you are arguing about is - not the same.
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And it is suspected that thousand of elderly people are murdered every year, but it is ruled as a natural death, because the demographic is prone to natural deaths and nobody bothers to check further.
At the very least demanding a throughout investigation in both cases is absolutely reasonable.
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The first wasn’t coincidental. He said “hey they might murder me” then he died right before testifying.
Well, iirc he didn’t show for his deposition, or the day after, or the day after that, at which point the lawyers sent people to find him and found he “committed suicide”.
This is after he said “I am absolutely not going to commit suicide over this. If I die and people say it was suicide, I was killed.”
Even one death under these circumstances is not a coincidence, and that ought to be coded into law. You’d better fucking well hope the person who blows a whistle on you is healthy - that’s the world we should move towards. Not that that couldn’t also be abused, but the pendulum is way too fucking far this way.
Can’t or won’t?
Seriously, though, I wouldn’t be surprised, if a bunch of suicides or “retractions” are happening soon.
How about 2 million if you shut up? No? How about we publish this dirt on you? Would be a shame, if some nameless robber orphans your children.
Any serious issue should have a paper trail of some sort. Emails, meetings, part rejections, that sort of thing. There are processes in place to allow anonymous reporting of some of these things.
But you wont argue that 10 dead whistblowers can still be a tremendous coincidence, right?
Planely obvious
I still don’t see why they can’t.
How is your polonium tea comrade?
Gotta love my fellow millennials - battered old souls that only the offer of getting murdered gets us properly motivated.
Most of us see that as a perk. “Wait, I can die right now, painlessly? Like totally painless? Where do I sign up?”
I mean, if the choice is instant, painless death or decade after decade of your parents asking why you don’t own a house, I guess death is fine?
Dark but that sentiment aint coming out of now where.
I mean a human unable establish a dwelling, that is a clear indicator of a sickness
I mean, I dont care abut pain as much as time - like I would settle for something interesting, like getting sucked off to death … into a jet engine at max speed.
Found the cape-wearer.
No capes!
… just a very flamboyant loincloth to the same effect …“Their loincloth looked absolutely magnificent as they were being sucked into that jet engine!” - Eyewitness probably.
This seems to be a recurring trend. Human rights took more blood than ink to write.
Old? I’m 38!
The hitperson is the only competent employee left at Boeing.
That guy is booked through year end now.
Overbooked. This is the airline industry we’re talking about.
He’s always taking the train to his missions, that’s the reason for the long time between the 2 kills
Are you telling us that there is a chance some whistlebowers have a chance to live into 2025.
Believe or not still not enough time for FAA and other fed soups to do their job
He’s out there playing whack a mole
You could just say ‘assassin’. “Hitperson” makes it sound like some HR-designated position, awkwardly titled in some neutral, milquetoast way as not to offend anyone.
“Hitperson” makes it sound like some HR-designated position, awkwardly titled in some neutral, milquetoast way as not to offend anyone.
That was intentional, I’m happy someone noticed.
Oh, my mistake
Honestly, that makes it funnier to me
Like the title of a Wes Anderson short, lol
It’s just a single shot of Bill Murray driving a car on a highway. He’s filmed from the passenger seat, and he’s telling a story of his dad, who worked as an engineer designing jet engines. And he’s all proud and going on and on.
And as he keeps talking, and as he keeps driving, you keep seeing shots of highway signs showing that you’re driving through rural Maryland on your way to Washington DC. You keep driving and he keeps telling a story about his father and how proud he was and eventually comes out that he worked for Boeing.
And you keep driving and he keeps telling a story and eventually you pull up in front of the building in Washington DC, and he gets out and the camera keeps pointing at the driver seat, but he walks out of frame and he walks into the building and you can hear some screaming in a couple gunshots and then cut to the credits.
Senior PR executive
Boeing:
I laughed way to hard at this.
So hard you dropped an O.
No no. He was laughing on the way to hard, which is obviously a city, maybe a home-town, with no schooling system. #noChildLeftBehind
How do I so strongly recognize this but can’t recall what it’s from!!??
It’s a pretty popular GIF taken from the 2007 movie Hot Fuzz.
Hot Fuzz
It’s from a Star Wars spinoff movie: Hoth Tusk
Article author seems to have completely fabricated the “10 more”. There are no quotes from anyone even hinting at more whistleblowers existing, let alone ten more.
Is not a source I’m familiar with. But everyone wants to believe it, so upvotes it is.
Its one of the largest Indian Newspapers
With the way Modi is running India right now, that’s not exactly a glowing recommendation.
Yup. Every major media outlet is a sellout at this point. These days my only source of legit news comes from YouTube.
I think this is sarcasm but it could also not be
You forgot the /s
Lmao
But ONLY the comments section!
In the US the most trustworthy media sources right now are Jon Stewart and John Oliver
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It might be, but I’ve noticed it has a very click baity style, and don’t find it to be very trustworthy.
Probably because quoting them would be a preemptive death
Wow, ten more suicidal people that really want to off themselves and also suddenly all started talking about Boeing, all at the same time. They’ll also all off themselves in the coming weeks.
What are the chances of that happening?
Boeing deliberately only hires people with suicidal tendencies. It’s a non-negotiable character trait.
Isn’t there a 100% correlation rate previous to these 10?
Correlation between what and what?
Boeing whistleblowers and untimely deaths.
No, there’s been several others, like this guy
Remind me in 1 week
Separate tickets, dudes.
For real. If ever there were a time to hop on an Amtrak, I think this would be a good one.
I would want the motherfucking Navy to take me around South America, the passenger train system in the US is sadly so sparse it makes it too easy for someone to find someone else based on odds. And Amtrak doesn’t have anti air weapons
And Amtrak doesn’t have anti air weapons
Amtrak can pull your own private rail car. Nothing says that car couldn’t be the US’s navy’s armored caboose which may or may not actually have anti air weapons (classified)
Ok that’s absurdly dope but I’m still feeling safer on the aircraft carrier
Hope it carries Lockheed s planes nstead of… Boing
(Typo intentional, get off grammar Nazis)
And Raytheon missles!!
Navy and Air Force still have plenty of Boeings that were made properly. They’re talking about fitting the B-52 with warp engines rather than ever retire the thing
B52 with warp nacelles in an aircraft carrier? Hhhhm let me check something in midjourney and I’ll be back soon
You think they will make a boing machine just drop in on the train? I mean at the rate those planes are failing, I would not be surprised if that happens by chance even. Damn, this was their plan from the start, wasn’t it?
It’s okay, they are all going to commit suicide by jumping off together. The plane will have no issues.
The hole in the fuselage that caused them to be sucked out was actually made by one of them in a suicide/homicide. Very tragic. Somebody invest in mental health please!
The will get off the plane and then get on the shuttle never to be heard from again.
Oh the plane will be fine. Being a whistleblower is very stressful though. I would not be at all surprised if many if not all of them find it just too hard to go on and end up committing suicide by shooting themselves twice in the back of the head before jumping off a building.
Jumping off a building is the Russian way.
American way is walking into a school in the middle of a shooting.
Australian way is going to the mall to bet on the ponies and running into a stabber. (I’m really sorry this is too soon, but next week nobody would understand the joke)
Hold on! A SECOND whistleblower died?!
MRSA infection following hospital admittance for Pneumonia. That shit is serious and way more prevalent than people think, it’s just that it usually kills people who are already terminally ill.
Unlikely to be an assassination. But not impossible. Either way, looks very bad.
Yeah after that first whistleblower saying he would not commit suicide, then somehow did it anyway, it is not a good look if a second whistleblower dies, no matter what the real reason was.
You can infect a hospitalized patient with MRSA by paying off one (1) nurse, and I guarantee you can find a nurse who will play for cheap. At this point I’m 50/50 on whether the second whistleblower was murdered.
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10, by next week!
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(Check the date on the article - life is now imitating satire).
On sickness.
They can’t possibly kill them all right?
“Aerospace firm” is pretty generous. They’re a defense contractor.
Why not both? Besides, I’m just quoting the article.
Boing: challenge accepted
Boeing: “Two down, ten to go!”
10 down, 100 to go.
“100 whistle blowers on the wall, 100 whistle blowers! Take one down, burry the truth! 99 whistle blowers on the wall!” - Boeing quality control
These whistleblowers are actually from quality control.
Targets: the Dirty Dozen
“what are they going to do, kill all of us?” - dead whistleblower
Famous last words
Goddamn when are investigators gonna hear these whistles?
Investigators work for a company named Boeing.
As ofc do their assassins.
Same department and job title actually. Spawn kill basically.
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Why would you lead with that and then not even use it in your comment?
As a former circus trainer, I agree. It’s a strange preface.
Maybe it’s AI trying to hit keywords.
I think that sounds plain antisemitic…
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Explain in detail how you associate Israel in a debate of the unrelated context of correlating American corruption to corporate greed.
Is this just some underhanded antisemite sort of bullshit invoking Israel but really trying to associate Jews with corporate greed? Cuz thats what is seems to infer.
I mean, suggesting that a lot of bigger US companies are infested with Israeli intelligence and suggesting that Israel is interested in corruption levels in the US not being reduced is not antisemitic. It seems sane actually.
But I haven’t seen the original comment before it was deleted.
That wasn’t at all in the realm of rational supposition for what OP said.
OK
Mate, I hate the genocide and shit, but shut the fuck up with this. The two are unrelated.
whistleblower hunting season for boeing
People assume that Boeing is behind this. I’m more inclined to believe that it’s a major shareholder
If it’s a major owner of a company I would still say it’s the company.
I remember thinking movies just had absurd sensationalized plot lines and that our societies were past that shit. Then I saw former soviets killed by alpha particle emitting pills, whistleblowers dying, and now I’m thinking the truth is stranger than fiction.
Hang in there Edward Snowden, it’s amazing that fucker threaded the needle and still lives.
What if the movies are just desensitizing us for the shit they are trying to pull off?
