I have been on the “Misogynist stay-at-home gamers who want ‘a girl they can game with’ really just want a trans BF, but they’re to transphobic to admit it to themselves” wave for a while now, and they just keep giving me more evidence.
Unironically I think this is what drives a decent portion of transphobia.
Im a straight dude and I think stockings, high heels, short skirts and boobs are just awesome but I’m also secure enough in my shit to say “That dude makes a pretty hot chick”. I also know that my wife doesnt dress like that because its a lot of work, she doesnt feel the need to. Its very much a “sometimes food” as cookie monster would say.
So when knuckle dragging guys who havent seen their wife out of sweatpants and flipflops in 3 months see a dude who put more effort into their appearance in 1 day and they want to fuck that… They get mad.
Science Vs did an episode on the science behind gender and it blew my mind. How gender is determined biologically is far more nuanced than genitalia. It helped me realize that trans people truly are the sex they claim to be. They have different genitalia, but there are other biological factors at play and they are biologically whatever they say they are.
It helped me understand that “that dude” isn’t a dude. That is a chick and she is beautiful.
Gender, like sexuality, is a spectrum and making it black and white is dumb. It’s all the colours of the spectrum that make life wonderful.
I almost agree with you comment, but I have to say I can not in good conscience pretend like I believe that Cookie Monster knows the concept of a “sometimes food”.
I don’t see which food is being referred to as a “sometimes food” so I will just assume that Cookie Monster was referring to non-cookies when he said that.
For some reason, his general outlook and behaviour doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence that he takes care of his diet, even when it comes down to him theoretically having eaten something else. (Has he, ever? Like “lore-wise.” I don’t watch the Muppets, sorry.)
Cookie monster lost his feet to diabetes.
You’ve never seen his feet have you?
I rest my case.
Ladyboys aren’t dudes, though.
Some are some aren’t. It’s probably closest to the mid 20th century American concept of transvestite, which at the time encompassed everyone from transsexuals (at that time the medical definition of transsexual required what we would today describe as severe dysphoria and exclusive Heterosexuality) to the more modern definitions of trans people, both binary and nonbinary, as well as cisgender crossdressers of all varieties. Source
Transvestite prescriptively means a crossdresser, by the way. Literally, that is. "-vestire “to dress, to clothe” (from PIE *wes- (2) “to clothe,” extended form of root *eu- “to dress”).
I’m not gonna argue over how the terms was used in mid 20th century America, I wouldn’t know. Just like etymology, don’t mind me.
Oh absolutely, and it meant that then because sexology was in the process of catching up with groups of people that medicine had recently gained the ability to make the differences between far more significant. They were also very prone to medical gatekeeping and treating transition as the absolute last resort for those unable to live a normal life as their assigned gender
Ehh a fair amount of them do identify as trans(which is one of the reasons ladyBOY is a really sexist name) and something similar to femboys in the west but there are also the ones who are closer to being males and they just do it for money which is extremely sad. But i am a straight(enough that i have all the priviledge) european male so this just what i heard from others.
I don’t think that prostitution is any more sad than any other job, but it all depends on the situation. If it’s a human-trafficking thing where they’re forced into it, or they have to deal with abusive clients, that’s fucked up.
Ok but there are different fucked uppness levels. Having to work an IT job for example can be pretty chill while working in an amazon warehouse is absolutely horrid from what i heard. And then id say having to dress up and be forced to be another gender to get enough money to stay alive is even more fucked up. Of course you could argue its better than for example in even poorer countries where you would have to do even worse things. But that is a pretty complicated conversation i dont really want to get into or have the qualification for.
Fellas, is it woke to be hetero?
Wait a minute.
Checks the Tate guide to Masculine Success
yes
Trans-inclusive radical misogyny.
Wait no, it’s cis-exclusive radical feminism
the heat death of bigotry
So you’re saying dude has TIRM-inal brain rot?
My brain just fell apart reading that sentence
Ah yes, the classic Iranian system.
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Suck that strong conservative ladydick, fellas 🇺🇸 🇺🇸
Wow, I didn’t know ideas so different could cohabitate together like that in someone’s mind.
You should try the PNW. Birkenstock-wearing, Prius driving conservative with trump stickers all over the hybrid car.
Did you just see my neighbors driveway through their ring camera?!
They must take a lot of shit on bowling league nights when they show up in a hybrid.
I can’t even imagine the roganbro brainrot it takes to get to that place. It’s almost impressive in its insanity.
Agreed. I understand the words, but cannot understand the meaning of the phrases. What is “feminine” to voló? And how are ladyboys not part of the woke mind virus? And which type of guy is the dude talking about? It’s confusing to follow.
Pro tip: these people rarely ever make any sense, because they are mental ill.
MAGA is not a political party or ideology. It is a mental illness fuelled by narcissism, religion, tribalism, anti-intellectualism, and nationalism. It’s a dead-end death cult where feelings mean everything, and reality means nothing.
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Is the “woke mind virus” a euphemism or do people believe there’s an actual virus? I could imagine something like that coming from people who make videos about chemtrails.
Is the “woke mind virus” a euphemism or do people believe there’s an actual virus?
Do you think the people who use language like that understand what viruses actually are, besides “something infectious”?
No, to most of them viruses and bacteria are all just “germs”. But considering how many people believe fluoride is for mind control I can easily imagine them believing the “Biden crime family” are literally spreading mind-control germs that turn people gay or atheist or make them love SoCiALiZm.
I’m sure to almost all, it is a euphemism. Although I’d also bet there are some people in Florida and Alabama who believe it is a literal virus that is spreading like wildfire through college campuses.
Nope
nope it’s not a euphemism or nope they don’t believe it’s an actual virus?
They think trans people only exist because of propaganda.
They don’t think its a virus.
Isn’t the woke mind virus just not being a piece of shit, in essence.
The “woke mind virus” is basically these people not getting how other people can be empathetic to people who aren’t exactly like them
I saw a comment on YouTube a few weeks ago that I think perfectly captures the mindset of the people who scream about the “woke mind virus”.
The comment was something like “I never had a problem trusting a minority surgeon, but now they’re all woke DEI hires and I can’t trust any of them.”
In other words, “I had no problem with minority surgeons when there were almost none of them because I had to accept that there were a handful of ‘good ones’ that worked hard and earned it. But now that I’m seeing more of them, I know lots of the ‘bad ones’ are getting in that could only get in because it was handed to them because of their skin color.”
In these people’s minds, 95% of white people are “good ones” and 95% of minorities are “bad ones”. So if any respectable job has more than a few percent of minorities, the only logical conclusion for them is that there are lots of “bad ones” getting jobs they aren’t qualified for and didn’t earn.
Many people on the right think that everyone on the left supports tax payer paid gender reassigment surgeries for undocumented immigrants in custody just the same way as many people on the left believe that everyone on the right is misogynistic, transphobic racist.
51% of the country just voted for an openly misogynistic, transphobic racist and the vast majority of them were on the right soooooooo.
And the rest voted for a candidate advocating for tax payer funded gender reassignment surgeris for undocumented immigrants in custody sooooooo.
This game leads nowhere.
An extremely small number of surgeries that have been medically proven to improve outcomes of individuals is totally equivalent to supporting the rise of fascism. Sure buddy. Have fun supporting hatred and bigotry.
Thanks!
You have fun with 4 more years of Trump probably followed with 8 years of J.D. Vance because that’s exactly what this gets you.
I’ll at least be satisfied with being on the right side of history.
You really get what you pay for with this guy
If the illegal immigrant managed to prove the surgery was medically necessary. Which is a process that takes years with multiple different specialists and then a long waitlist for a surgeon. If a rare couple people meet that criteria it’s likely to be thousands of dollars out of a 7 trillion dollar federal budget.
I don’t care what medical treatment people need but the big question is why are illegal Immigrants being housed long term for years in government facilities? Seems wrong if they can’t figure out in a few months if people can stay or be deported.
They shouldn’t be held in a situation where they need long term medical care for anything.
everyone on the right is misogynistic, transphobic racist.
That is because the being a misogynistic, transphobic racist is the primary personality of the people on the right.
Don’t engage, block and move on.
Oh hey I saw that ad on YouTube also but was able to provide seconds of additional research and critical thinking but that can be difficult for some; apparently most.
I tend to fact check myself before making claims like that.
Cheers I’ve read that already. Imagine opposition ads blowing something out of proportion, I am aghast
I don’t watch ads and neither should you. I don’t even understand why YouTube would target europeans with U.S. election ads.
They have their own mind virus which makes them think that meek, innocent, naive hyperfeminity is the only valid femininity. They watch anime[1] and terribly written women in film. Both of which infantilize women. And they watch women get dominated by men in porn.
The concept of femininity in these boys’ heads is completely divorced from what it actually means to be a woman. To be a human being. They want all women to dress in school girl outfits, short skirts, or satin dresses. Women who should spend 100% of their time trying to please their husband, a word that historically means “a man who manages a property”. They see women as sexy property.
As a bonus, they all want “trad wives” and yet they vote for politicians that make it impossible to survive on a single income unless they want to live in a trailer park.
Thirteen anime fans couldn’t handle this comment.
Anime fans, miss me with your examples of “badass” women in anime. They all still look like little girls 90% of the time. ↩︎
Almost all anime characters look 12.
This kind of thing terrifies me. I think there’s a solid chance that that particular tweet is a joke, but the idea that there are people out there honestly concerned with the “woke mind virus” and about how women are this and that is horrifying.
Even more, the possibility that I’m just blind to my own insanity is what really fucks me up. What if they’re right and I’m crazy? Seeing so much insanity that you just have to wonder if your own sanity has been compromised.
What if they’re right and I’m crazy?
If I ever have that thought, I remember I’m not the one who hates people for immutable traits, or punches down in the name of humour
I remind myaelf of this all the time, to the point that this post pretty much wins the thread.
Tap for spoiler
(Seriously lmao the MRA’s choosing this thread to #NotAllMen in is just the chef’s kiss.)
(Which is on top of:
Sanity is overrated No i mean it i reject Sanism )
What if they’re right and I’m crazy?
Keep asking yourself this. Try to honestly see things from their point of view. It makes you stronger. To paraphrase Sun Tzu,
- if you only think through your own beliefs, you’ll have a 50-50 chance of success.
- if you think through your own beliefs, AND understand your adversary’s point of view, you will always succeed.
- if you do neither, you will always fail.
Yeah, I reckon it’s good to question one’s own beliefs and presuppositions. Still, it’s upsetting.
What if I understand my enemy but not myself?
Oh boy you are in for a treat
I love treats :D
This is why RFK doesn’t eat McDonalds to get the woke mind virus brain worms.
He shot heroin for 15 years to keep away the woke.
God forgives, but the bradster doesn’t
Is this another term for trans women, or something different?
Edit: thanks for everyone who’s educated me, this is really interesting!
In western trans culture, most trans women would consider being called a “ladyboy” or “shemale” an overly sexualized insult. It’s primarily used when referring to sex workers, not to someones identity. It’s similar to calling a random woman who has children a MILF. So don’t refer to someone as this unless that is a label they apply to themselves first.
I’m not knowledgeable enough to truly make definitive statements about how the term is used in Thailand, but from what I understand it’s a rough/poor translation from “Kathoey” which is used for anyone outside of traditional gender roles meaning a more direct/correct translation would be non-binary or queer.
On a related note, Femmeboy is a term used in the west, but that is specifically referring to a younger man/boy who is effeminate. It is specifically saying they are not trans, so could be anything from a femme gay boy to someone who enjoys crossdressing.
maybe “androgynous” would be a better direct translation but what do i know
Kathoey are definitely not androgynous. They are explicitly living as women would, and present very feminine as shown. To varying degrees of success in passing, but it isn’t an issue. Nobody tells them they can’t be kathoey. They just are.
There is a lesser known opposite, Tom. As in, Tomboy. These are afab who essentially live as men. Less so than kathoey, I will say, presumably because society isn’t as ready for afab to play male roles. But they will wear short hair, dress masculine, and usually have relationships with with cis-women, known as "Dee (for “good (girl)” 🫤). When was there more than a decade ago at the start of social media really taking off, there was a high-society generational trend of cis-girls dating tomboys in their late teens, as a way to be safe from pregnancy/abuse while still being the cool girl who dates on Insta. You imagine this to be pretty sad at times for Toms who get abandoned as soon as said ciswomen are more stable in life.
They are explicitly living as women would, and present very feminine as shown
Degendering, or refusing to gender a trans person by only using neutral language such as they/them is an incredibly rude thing to do. It’s the equivalent of two siblings going “I’m not
touchingmisgendering you!”. Obviously in the course of conversation using they/them makes sense for everyone in certain sentences. But at a certain point it’s just dehumanizing. I’m not non-binary, I’m a woman.Next time your BF/GF is getting dressed up tell em how androgynous they are looking and see how well they take it…
I’m using the plural. Kathoey is both singular and plural in Thai. I would hope you’d also pick that up from “women”.
I’m also being careful not to equate 1-1 the kathoey identity with the transwoman identity. They aren’t the same, though the global conversation I am sure will eventually bring them closer.
You’re correct on both points and that’s my mistake.
Not really, although it can be used as such, usually by folks who don’t really know what they’re talking about.
Gender identity in Thailand is complicated
Freaking fascinating.
Cross dressers rather than trans, from my understanding.
Sort of. I think it covers a range of things from trans to cross dressers.
I think it’s just something we westerners used before trans people popped into existence over here about five years ago.
Trans people didn’t “pop into existence,” they’ve always been here, even being an important group in the Stonewall riots.
It’s just that it became more acceptable to come out, so reactionaries went full-on open season on them in an effort to force them back in the closet in an aggressive attempt to protect their own fragile identities.
