White House says order will ‘make America’s showers great again’ and ‘end the Obama-Biden war on water pressure’
I had to recheck 5-6 times while reading that this was the guardian and not some sort of mock guardian/onion news site
Any idiot with a pair of pliers can take the flow regulator out of a consumer-grade shower head that you can buy off the shelf at any hardware store in the country and get as much water pressure as your pipes are capable of pumping into it.
Here’s hoping we all still have enough money to buy shower heads in the new Trump economy so we can enjoy the fruits of his labor. Who needs prosperity and economic stability when you have a roaring torrent of water to take a depression shower like a real American patriot?
Our company founder always had the tools necessary to remove flow reduction devices from hotel room showerheads. Together with the power adaptor set for several countries and some other gadgets, this was always part of his travel set.
He claimed in 2019 that “people are flushing toilets 10 times, 15 times, as opposed to once” as a result of insufficient water pressure.
Uhh, this sounds like a “you” problem, Mr. President. More fiber might help. Anyway, thanks for broadcasting your bowel troubles to the whole world, it sure makes you look strong.
Changing of water pressure won’t do anything for most household toilets except fill the tank faster.
The dumb thing is that the EO is actually about flow rate, but lots of Americans probably don’t understand flow rate and believe that water saving shower heads cause lower pressure.
What’s really ironic is that flow and pressure are inversely proportional, so using a high flow shower head as Trump prefers actually reduces the pressure (force) with which the water comes out.
I had to try to explain this to a right winger expat in Ecuador who couldn’t understand why he couldn’t fix his dribbling shower when his wife was washing dishes by just slapping higher flow fixtures into them. I was unsuccessful.
This is another case of completely misusing words with the implicit “you know what I mean” attached. The truly insincere thing about this method is that because everything it says needs interpretation everything it says is interpreted in the most convenient ways for those with the power to choose which interpretation they prefer.
I started reading your comment and was going to add something about how I always see a deep misunderstanding of Bernoulli’s principle and… Well you have the same misunderstanding.
Increasing pressure, with no other changes, absolutely changes flow rate. Bernoulli’s principle that effectively states as flow increases, pressure decreases (and vice versa) when the source is not changed. If the pressure at the source is increased and the flow rate is the same, then the entire system has more energy. Since the bottleneck is more likely to be the miles of pipes and hundreds of bends, flow rate can’t really be inherently increased but pressure can. I, in no way, am endorsing this EO or the insanity surrounding it.
The proper application of the principle is at the outlet with a steady source. It’s best explained with a multi-setting garden hose. This is because the variable restrictor is exactly at the outlet. You can choose the stream setting which is high velocity but low flow rate - a single stream shoots across the street. You can choose the shower setting which is low velocity but high flow rate - a wide stream that only travels a few feet away. However, if you try to fill a bucket, you’ll likely find they fill at nearly the same rate, allowing for minor differences in nozzle drag and assuming the stream doesn’t cause too much drag (like a 1/8" outlet rather than a pin hole). Why? Because the system energy is the same, say 40psi with ample water supply for a garden hose where the faucet and preceeding piping is the restrictor rather than the outlet. At any point prior to the outlet, the pressure is the same and any setting would fill a very tall column to the same point at which pressure from the column equals pressure form the hose. So yes, realistically, bumping up the pressure would result in greater flow at the outlet, just as enlarging pipes, smoothing bends, and swapping high flow valves.
But this is fucking batshit because the pressure has not been reduced and it’s not like we just have pumps we can tune to any pressure. The primary source is simply the height of water towers - the water towers that have been here for decades already. The most logical explanation I can give is the slow market change to high efficiency devices. But I’m gonna stick to the thought that the believers are retconning their memories. I mean, the fucking Simpsons have a scene where Bart fluctuates the shower temperature with just the sink faucet. Season 12, episode 12, Tennis the Menace, aired 2001.
Your expat acquaintance couldn’t fix the situation because he wasn’t addressing the choke points. So many possibilities. Shitting routing in the house, shitty rerouting after a renovation, mineral deposits inside older pipes, longer routing in modern houses that are bigger with more bathrooms, false memories of the “before times” invented by Trump’s rambling, insufficient infrastructure as neighborhoods expand, or poor delivery system maintenance. Friendly reminder that there is a non-zero number of people buying into this while using household wells.
I appreciate the in-depth response but I think you are misunderstanding the point of my comment.
My comment isn’t denying that increased pressure at the source can increase flow rate (note I say that you can’t increase pressure with a high flow shower head, I am not talking at all about changing the source pressure) - I’m just pointing out that people often conflate flow rate with pressure at the outlet, especially in domestic settings where the flow is intentionally restricted by design (like low-flow shower heads). In this case, pressure is maintained, but the flow rate is reduced by narrowing the outlet, which people mistakenly believe is a loss in pressure, while not realizing that they traded flow for that higher output velocity.
When I say that “flow and pressure are inversely proportional,” I thought it was obvious that I was referring to how flow and pressure behave given a fixed source, since this entire conversation is about changing only the fixture. This is more about the relationship in practice when you change the outlet restriction. I’m talking about the “perceived drop in pressure” (what people mistakenly call pressure) when using a low-flow shower head, which is actually a result of lower water volume, not lower pressure per se. I’m definitely NOT talking about supply pressure and flow being inversely proportional, that’s obviously not true.
So when Trump or others push for “high flow” heads thinking they’ll get “higher pressure,” they’re misunderstanding how their own plumbing works. High-flow fixtures let more water through, sure, but if your supply system can’t support that extra flow (especially with other fixtures in use), then the actual outlet force (again, what people call “pressure”) feels weaker, not stronger. That’s the irony I was trying to highlight.
Your garden hose analogy is solid, and I think you’re mostly in agreement with my original point. You’ve just interpreted it as a misuse of Bernoulli, when I’m really commenting on how the misunderstanding comes from conflating pressure with flow, especially in domestic scenarios.
To clarify:
Increasing pressure, with no other changes, absolutely changes flow rate
I don’t think I have disagreed with this - I mentioned replacing shower heads with higher flow shower heads, but of course that doesn’t change the supply pressure, instead the loss in restriction lowers the velocity coming out of the shower head
Bernoulli’s principle that effectively states as flow increases, pressure decreases (and vice versa) when the source is not changed
I believe I stated the same when I said that they are inversely proportional when you are only changing the outlet nozzle
Since the bottleneck is more likely to be the miles of pipes and hundreds of bends, flow rate can’t really be inherently increased but pressure can
Yes, this is what happens when you put a low flow fixture, you trade flow for outlet velocity
The proper application of the principle is at the outlet with a steady source
This is exactly and solely what I am talking about
However, if you try to fill a bucket, you’ll likely find they fill at nearly the same rate
This is about the only thing I disagree on - you can fill up a bucket on the shower setting much faster than you can on mist, this is the entire principle behind low flow fixtures. If adding restriction to an outflow didn’t reduce the flow then it would be pointless.
In short I really think we are mostly in agreement, I think you are mistaking my comment as talking about the relationship between flow and source pressure, which is definitely not what I am talking about since changing your shower head obviously doesn’t change the characteristics of the water source. If there is something specific I said that doesn’t agree with what you said then please point it out, because it really feels like you are just repeating my intended message.
Then I misinterpreted something from your comment saying Trump’s promise to increase water pressure (disregarding the impossibility) wouldn’t increase flow. Maybe you’re specifically talking about shower heads, but somewhere else trump talked about flushing toilets over and over. It all blends together in the insanity. Did he mention shower heads being too efficient, but in worse words?
I agree, we’re generally in agreement then. I did specify stream vs shower setting though, and a kinda large jet outlet at that. Maybe more like a Full setting, in my experience, but I certainly am not including all the settings. Mist, vertical, center, etc are too restrictive. I’ve filled a couple dozen car wash buckets on various settings and shower/jet/full flow comparably then, but somehow always slower than my bladder can handle.
Ah gotcha, I see where the confusion came from then. I wasn’t considering the hypothetical scenario where he magically increases water pressure but instead thinking about what will happen in reality when the legislation allows people to get higher flow shower heads (and imagining some of them might be disappointed when it feels less forceful, though I’m sure plenty would enjoy an increased flow if that’s their preference). His talk about pressure is a stand in for the actual details of the EO which is actually about low flow fixtures (and I assume low gallon per flush toilets but I didn’t read that far).
I admit I was thrown off trying to figure out what we were saying differently, I’m sure I could be more specific though about the hypothetical I was describing. I did a solid semester in multivariate calculus just solving flow equations so it would bring great dishonor to my teacher if I mixed anything up haha.
Nah my bad for refusing to Google this shit for actual details
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Oh so he’s trying to take away my high pressure shower head then, another thing to say fuck him with.
True, but the force of the water without the flow reducers is much greater. I can take faster, nicer feeling showers when the gpm reducer has been removed from the heads, and the force of the water coming out makes it feel like the pressure is higher, and that’s really all anyone who wants a better shower is after.
It depends on how you make the showerhead / flow reducer. You could have one with a pressure reducer which will reduce pressure and flow and results in both less flow and force, but others just use smaller holes for a smaller outlet cross section, which trades flow for velocity. If the increased velocity is focused on the same or smaller area on your skin, then you’ll feel an increased spot pressure compared to a lower velocity stream.
That’s to say, plenty of low flow shower heads have focused streams, but they’re generally too forceful and feel like needles. But there are ones in the middle that trade flow for velocity which makes it feel like the pressure is higher while using less water.
Don’t you have those watertanks that fill up and release the water when you press it in america?
There’s no water pressure in my toilet, just gravity.
Yes, we do. We also have a moron for a president.
Gravity creates, that’s what he means! We must require 40 story buildings with all their showers and toilets on the first floor. All kitchen sinks on the second floor. Reservoirs on the 40th floor.
He’s flushing paperwork because he can’t read it and he doesn’t want anyone else to.
It was later determined that someone had tried to flush documents down the presidential toilet … so … you know.
He wears a fucking diaper. He’s shitting his own pants. No way he’s flushing toilets.
Actual Hank Hill moment.
I often think about how Hank Hill would react to our current political climate. He’s too pure for this shit. I think in the last election he would’ve bit his tongue, voted Democrat, and shivered whenever he thought about it.
He did put his foot down about the evangelization of Halloween.
Totally would have!
He decided a presidential candidate was bad on handshake alone
Lol yes
from the available info on Krasnov, constipation is the opposite of his problem which requires a towel be put down where he sits.
And the smell. Dont forget the smell. Pa’ Thiel and the rest of the puppeteers couldn’t pick a better puppet.
I think he may need a presidential golden poop knife.
“people are flushing toilets 10 times, 15 times, as opposed to once” as a result of insufficient water pressure
How do US toilets work? It should be independent of water pressure, there is a tank of water that gets prefilled, right?
it is. he’s just full of shit. no one is flushing more than once unless there’s something wrong with their own plumbing. this is a non issue he’s made up
He’s probably clogging his own toilets and instead of blaming his McDiet blames the Obama-Biden Industrial Complex.
He doesn’t blame them personally. He and every GOP politician don’t actually believe most of the propaganda they peddle; excluding regards like MTG and public handjob hooker.
Most of what they say and do is a performance — it’s all part of the conservative cinematic universe — manufactured to manipulate the feefees of the mentally-ill MAGA cult. I’m not saying they aren’t imminently dangerous fascists. I’m saying we shouldn’t entertain the idea that their words mean anything but grift.
While it’s true there is a huge amount of performance in the average republiQan spiel, trump absolutely blames Obama and Biden personally.
Supporting facts include his pathological need to injure them at all times no matter the circumstance or reasoning.
They may signify things to him psychologically but he talks about and reacts to them as personalities and has done so since the start of this insanity.
It was a complaint about 25 years ago when the first iteration came out. There was a full King of the Hill episode about it. Since then they refined the low flow toilets to be as good as the older style.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J4f0MeoV5pQ&pp=ygUga2luZyBvZiB0aGUgaGlsbCBsb3cgZmxvdyB0b2lsZXQ%3D
Probably trying to flush too much paperwork at once.
He’s living in the 90’s. This was a big deal to people mid 90’s there is even a Seinfeld episode about illegal high flow shower heads as a b story for Kramer.
Shit, Harley Quinn just did that like, last month as a bit.
Morbidly obese people have giant greasy shits and evi friendly toilets are designed for normal sized shits that contain some amount of fiber. If you weigh 300 lbs and only eat cheesburgers (like a certain president) it’s possible that you need multiple flushes per shit.
He poops in his pants anyway so why does he care? It’s his shower that probably needs a garbage disposal
Just like most of his talking points. Unfortunately his base eats that shit up.
Your toilets would suck at flushing too if you attempted to flush a fuck ton of classified documents down them!
He thinks this because HeS literally full of shit.
People with bad diets make poop that doesn’t flush easily as healthy poop that’s got fiber in it.
Also, Americans always need to invent their own way to do things (cheaper), instead of using the existing European and Japanese toilets. The early ones wouldn’t flush a tissue.
He’s wrong about pressure being inv9lved, but low-flow toilets suck and frequently require multiple flushes.
30 years ago they did.
The ones in my 5yo house do.
Bruh. Trump is a fucking liar. Almost every single thing that comes out of his mouth is a lie. Even stuff he doesn’t NEED to lie about.
I have lived in the US my entire life and grew up in abject poverty (think really, really shitty housing infrastructure). I have never seen a toilet that needed to be flushed 10 fucking times. I mean, I know Republicans are completely full of shit but even they can’t cause that to happen. It’s laughable.
When I was 20 years older I used to inhale vapor of devil’s lettuce often, and after some serious cases of munchies I was able to produce some horrendous crap, and even then, with infamous Dutch toilet bowls, three flushes was the worst one.
Yeah but if the lettuce was good, so worth it.
edit: Holy shit I just realized you’re either a time traveler or Benjamin Button.
Naw, it was just really good lettuce.
To give the benefit of the doubt, which I don’t think he deserves, he may be dealing with low-flow toilets which waste a lot less water. And when you eat McDonald’s every day, you probably get backed up pretty badly and maybe overload the toilet on a regular basis.
Most of his toilet problems could probably be solved with a poop knife.
Yeah the actual EO talks about flow rate, which is ironic because using higher flow fixtures decreases the output pressure. Who’s doing the real war on water pressure ahaha
I also can’t see toilet companies being eager to jump on retooling to make more wasteful toilets since they’ve already invested in making ones that work just fine with less water. The safe business bet is assuming efficiency will be back in demand at some point in the future, either because of the next president or because of water shortages.
when you eat McDonald’s every day, you probably get backed up pretty badly and maybe overload the toilet on a regular basis.
Al Bundy things. I do believe that the administration is targeting the Al Bundy demographic looking for support in November.
When we first started using low flow toilets in I think 1990s they were poorly designed and didn’t flush well. Over half a century we went from 7 gal/flush —> 5–> 3 —> 1.4 and sometime less, but you can’t just use the same design with less water. Modern designs still save water but flush much more effectively.
Similarly early low flow showerheads were poorly designed but you can spend $20 on a 1.2 gal/minute that works really well, assuming you have the water pressure. My house is at the high end of acceptable pressure so I have to use a reducer with that
He has no fucking idea how anything works. Even his own EO has nothing to do with water pressure, it’s about flow rate. The guy is a moron.
Understand this: they’re not his own EOs (well, maybe this one is) - I think by now they’ve got his choke chain short enough that he’s actually getting committee approval before doing stuff, even stuff like this may be his idea, may be his words, but the timing of the EO and the language on paper as well as the press release delivery has all been considered for maximum effect by people who know what the hell happens when stuff like this goes out in the press.
He’s shot off his mouth about the multiple flushes many times in the past. The strategy committee decided that now was the time to use an actual EO of the concept to fill the news cycle with their crap instead of somebody else’s.
He was flushing down evidence. Discriminating papers and the like.
And because he is a toddler incapable of distinguishing between himself and other people he thinks this is a general problem.
He probably just likes to watch it go down.
“Flush again, servant!”
“Very well sire. The poo-poo river-horses will shatter their enemy!”
“Oooooooohhhhhhhh! 😃”
Economy go down the hole
Oooooooohhhhhhhh! 😃
We just have to wait for everything to get so backed up that “economy come back!”
Riiight… “some people”
Yes, that is exactly how our home toilets work. Many commercial toilets are tankless and rely on water pressure to operate, but I doubt that’s what’s being discussed here.
American toilets use to hve a great big bowl that would fill with water. Your bum would be a few centimetres from the water and your turd would float around in the pool of water.
Low flow tolietsare similar to Britsh toliets where a column inside the cistern is used to create greater pressure and flush the bowl.
he’ll probably order all toilets in australia to be outfitted with devices that make the toilets flush in the correct american way next.
Trump only poops in the shower apparently.
He watched the Madonna interview on Letterman and remembered it wrong.
Some have metal pressure tanks inside.
Enough with the executive orders. Jesus. Is this a national emergency too??
executive orders are better than laws since executive orders have no weight and are easily undone next administration.
They are also very commonly used by most modern presidents, but most of them haven’t had much attention brought to them, while Trump’s basically all have. Mostly because they’re pretty much all stupid and/or controversial.
And that most of them exceed the authority of the President and Executive Branch. See climate change related EO.
There is no next administration.
They’re massively performative and make the plebs and cretins who think politics is WWF theater feel like things are happening. They can be hugely destructive and cause massive repercussions, but they’re not as long-reaching and permanent as actual policies and bills being passed through house and senate.
It makes him feel like the big boss, without any rules or opposition.
I think it’s an extreme case of attention seeking.
To Trump, not having every person’s attention only focused on him at all times is a national emergency.
Remember when Obama used a few executive orders and the Republicans accused him of trying to be a king?
He wants everyone to know that he did it
Just another ”fascist playbook” thing. Declaring war on pointless, or almost pointless, stuff to make people feel that the country is ”under attack” and to downplay actual important stuff
Also part of the “dominionist playbook”, which states that YHWH gave the earth to humans to dominion over it, which they think mean “should deplete its resources ASAP without any second thought”.
I wonder how many of those political decoy flares he has in stock. Useless stories that ire up people just to distract them from real problems. Like the “Gulf of America” thing, or the showerhead pressure.
I might have missed the one wherein he makes electric cooktops illegal but I think that one is still coming, at least. And potatoes must use masculine pronouns. And it is domestic terrorism for Taylor Swift to be a meaniepants anymore. Something, something Dr. Seuss. Masturbation will make you blind (please self-report to the nearest blinding centre).
i think you’re looking for flow rate, mr president. if you change water pressures across the country, everybody’s o-rings are gunna have a bad time.
source: my house has extremely high water pressure already.
His o ring blew out a long time ago.
Less regulation my ass.
Say that to my bidet
A powerful clean.
So powerful you’ll see Gawd when you use it in winter
As an additional layer of stupid, most of the “low pressure” seen in showers is due to water saver shower heads and have nothing to do with the pressure going to or in the home. So this literally proposing that the government regulates your water regulating shower heads.
Not only that but every house I’ve ever lived in has a pressure reducing valve right after the main shutoff. My current one drops the 150psi city pressure down to about 60psi for use in the house.
And it likely predates Obama. This is just weird and invasive government shit.
shakes fist I have had it with the god darn govment regulations!!!
I feel like it’s April 1st all over again.
Every day feels like April fools except the only prank is my future getting stomped out.
Bill Murray should do a sequel.
A horror comedy.
The US has been in a perpetual state of April 1st since november
Old man yells at shower. News at 11.
In my case, I like to take a nice shower to take care of my beautiful hair
Good god.
He has to wash all fifteen of them thoroughly
That’s his “humor” that so many of his cultists find just hilarious. 🙄
If that dude showers and still smells the way people say he smells… His insides must be rotting or some shit
No he literally shits himself enough to wear diapers and have full time diaper changers around. It was the case back on his reality show days. Adam Kinziger and several others have said he reeks of shit constantly.
and hes often oblivious to him pooping himself too.
he regularly shits himself when hes angry or upset, because of the decades of cocaine abuse.
The master of distraction.
I do sometimes worry about how posting the joke-y stuff can distract from the important stuff, but I guess there’s also value in being able to have a laugh
I think you can be at the same time: enraged by the attacks on vulnerable people (and so many important topics), disgusted by the lack of ethics and amused by the absolute stupidity of all this circus.
You have reason to worry, because diluting the discussion with memes and irrelevant sidetracking is legit propaganda tool. And somehow Orange 47 is perfect in that role for his supporters and his opposition. It’s quite amazing actually.
I finally understand those “Live Laugh Love” signs
Exactly. He’s just coming out with stupid stuff to cover the damage that he did in the economy. Everyday he’ll just give some distractions like this until the dust settles
This is a ploy from big bidet to take over our toilets with pristine water pressure that can douche-clean your asshole and I won’t stand for it, god damnit!
the one device i want to have a pressure regulator on it is the bidet. we used to have one that, uh, well you could really do your spring cleaning if you weren’t paying attention.
Because you have to sit to use the bidet?
