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The successor to Nintendo Switch named Switch 2 will continue to be a hybrid console that can be played on TV and in portable mode, it will be launched without an OLED screen (it will have an LCD) and it will have cartridges/cards for physical games , according to various sources. Anonymous to VGC, where they say that the device is “likely” to hit stores in the second half of 2024. They add that there are already development studios outside the Japanese company with the development kit.
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Unless I’m missing something here, this website does not provide a link to the original source and adds little to the discussion. They don’t even refer to them by their full name.
This is the original source: https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sources-nintendo-switch-2-targets-2024-with-next-gen-console/
This is considered to be very scummy behavior not just in games journalism, but in journalism in general. If you can’t do your own coverage, at least have basic respect for the people who can.
Let’s call it what it is: blog spam. Probably falling under the low effort rule.
Don’t you see. The Switch 2 may have an LCD or an OLED screen! It also may, or may not, have backwards compatibility with the first Switch! It also may, or may not, release in 2024!
How can anyone not be potentially excited about these things that may, or may not, be true!
It may or may not be able to take us to Mars
My heart says “maybe”
I mean, it probably has the computing power to do it. That’s not a super high bar given what we got to the moon with though.
What’s worse is that the title states this as fact when the original article claims it’s rumors from close sources, we don’t actually know when it’s coming or if dev kits are widely available.
SEO centric content farms are a cancer on the internet and on information in general. We have the capability of democratically crowd sourcing the absolute best quality information out there, and make it available to anyone in the blink of an eye.
Instead we have an army of bots lazily rehashing half-content found on forums and reposting it as misconstrued fact, while battling with other bots for the top third of google’s increasingly godforsaken, ad-ridden search results page. All so us poor sods can be interested in something, search for it, and be consistently disappointed in the results we get back while our data is sold to people who will actively work to make the situation worse.
It’s truly a sad thing to behold.
If this is real fuck you Nintendo, so bull shit for not just making it oled. There’s a $50 difference right now between the regular and oled variant which could 100% just be worked into the new switch pricing. You just know they’re releasing the oled model 1-3 years after launch so people buy again.
I have an OLED model and cringed when I saw it will have LCD. It will honestly probably feel like a downgrade for me.
I already mostly play in handheld just because the visuals look so much better compared to my TV
Then vote with your wallet. Don’t buy something for more money, which have inferior features to the last generation product. This is clearly a case of monetiseing exclusivity and FOMO to sell you something which was not designed to last.
Look for sales, an OLED tv is a life changer.
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They are just being hyperbolic. Sir this is a Nintendos.
You obviously haven’t discovered 4k nature channels on an oled then, I keep it on while I work and then look up and see all kinds of beautiful scenery and it calms me. I’m being legit when I say it’s life changing. The reds and blacks are amazing.
I get you, but there is much value in learning to appreciate - truly appreciate - the smaller things in life. A good roast of coffee first thing on a cold winter’s morning can be life changing, at least in its small part and moment. Many of us spend many hours with our televisions, and a great TV can also be life changing. I find life much more enjoyable when I appreciate the thousands of wonderful moments in between the traditionally “life changing” ones.
Perfect time to buy the switch 1 OLED when it comes out
Why not get a Steam Deck and emulate Nintendo games instead? Along the thousands of games you play on Steam…
Too bulky for me
Switch emulators have weird stuttering, frame rate, and various issues. I should know I tried to emulate them. It was a mess. Also, a lot of people really don’t want a handheld with all the hassles of a PC. People like consoles because they’re simple. Hence why the switch has sold like 150 million, and the steam deck has sold like 1.5 million.
Switch has been out a lot longer and has a bigger company behind it. I don’t think anyone ever expected SD to catch up in sales. However, the SD has clearly had an impact on the handheld market. And without tinkering, it functions way more like a console than a full PC.
And I don’t know what setup you used for switch emulation, but I’ve emulated several switch games with perfect success. I certainly mostly play my switch games on switch, but I’ve put a handful on the deck for travel and it’s been great. Along with my 3ds games since my actual 3ds went to electronics heaven.
Why buy a steam deck when you can emulate Nintendo games on your PC?
I’m actually happy. I play my switch docked 99.9% of the time. I have brought it on exactly two trips on the six years I have owned it, and played it all of one time each trip in handheld mode. I wouldn’t want to pay extra for a feature I would never use. Even if it only saves me $50, that’s the price of a game right there.
Ideally though, they would launch both on the same day at different price points.
They probably have a lot of old LCD screens they need to get rid of.
Honestly, I saw that and was grateful that I won’t have the urge to buy it.
Weren’t there rumors that they actually meant to release a new model years ago, but between the Pandemic and the Chip Shortage, they couldn’t get what they needed?
That said, with things like the GBA SP, the DSi and the New 3DS, it isn’t off-brand for Nintendo to release minor improvements along the way.
I’m probably in the minority, but I don’t mind a cheaper LCD model. The only time I see my switch screen is when I’m moving it from my living room dock to my bedroom dock. The only time I really use portables is like 8+hr flights, literally sits hidden under my TV 24/7 rest of time so I don’t really need it to have a fancy screen. As long as both models have the same dock performance, I’m fine with it.
The people here really don’t understand Nintendo. They want the console to be as cheap as possible to get it to the most hands as possible and then make the real money on the games. Mom and dad see the price tag isn’t too bad and pull the trigger. Everything has a cost, including an OLED screen Vs LCD (presumably IPS).
Maybe but not all that much. Among all consoles, Nintendo Switch is the only one whose hardware is profitable.
only one whose hardware is profitable
Really? Virtually all consoles aren’t, I expected the switch wasn’t. The Wii was, which really boosted their profits.
Yeah, it’s one of the reasons they stick to weaker hardware.
Sales: 5.22 million standard Nintendo Switches, OLED 7.69 million units, 2 million Switch Lites. unit sales were down -21.3% year-on-year due to the global chip shortage, though the OLED Switch almost doubled its sales figures compared to the previous FY. 2023 - techspot
I have a switch lite. It costs me $140CDN used (as opposed to $250-$300 for an OLED). No complaints. Just wish I could play games like RDR2, Ubisoft on it.
The Switch has a screen? I’ve never really noticed mine.
I’m pretty fed up with Nintendo at this point not planning to buy a new console
I bought a Steam Deck and it’s amazing. 10/10 would recommend. Never really play my Switch anymore.
I’d bet money that the dev kits are just LCD, and there will be a huge revision between the dev kits and the finished product. Historically early dev kits look nothing like the actual console.
The screen on a handheld really doesn’t matter.
If you cared about visuals, you wouldn’t play in a handheld, in the same way that if you want to watch high quality video, you don’t watch it on your phone either.
The additional resources it needs are wasted on such a tiny screeb
I mean definitely fuck Nintendo, but why would people fall for that?
I do not care about the screen tech one bit, I think LCD is fine for handheld if the price is low, but what I DO care about is using somewhat modern cpu/gpu so games don’t constantly lag even trying to hit 30fps. That’s by far my biggest complaint about the Switch 1. So if they can fix that then I’m on board! If not, I’ll probably just honestly pirate everything and play it on my computer where it won’t run like dog ass.
Exactly. It’s like when you start an RPG game where you choose how many points to put into each category. If Nintendo has $300 and puts most into CPU/GPU and not as much into screen, then I’m gonna be super happy. People forget that when the OLED switch came out, the other components were cheaper to buy, making room in the budget for the OLED screen.
When components for the Switch 2 get discounted for Nintendo to buy, then they will add an OLED screen.
Yeah it can barely handle Breath of the Wild. Some of the new AMD APUs are really impressive, so I hope they make the jump. However for compatibility and cost I think they’ll just go with an upgraded Tegra.
Yeah, BotW was cutting it close, while Tears of the Kingdom really is too much for the Switch. I got real tired of the framerate taking a dive every time I used Ultrahand.
I’m really surprised I haven’t had any major framerate drops in TotK. I’m using my launch-day system, so as old as they get, and playing hand-held almost exclusively it’s been pretty darn smooth.
For the few hours I bothered with totk I never had any lag either, also a launch switch. Maybe I didn’t go in far enough, but it ran smoothly all the time.
It would be interesting if they made the jump to x86, but in addition to what you mentioned, I don’t think they’d go for it due to the extra power and thermal requirements. I think people would bash on Nintendo if the Switch 2 was way beefier in form factor compared to the Switch 1.
I think you’re right on all counts, but RDNA 3, due out next year, is claimed to achieve a 54% increase in performance-per-watt. They could limit clocks/power and achieve similar levels of battery life with significant performance gains; all while keeping thermals down. One can dream!
I hope those rumors are true! Those RDNA 3 performance gains could do wonders for the handheld PC market as well.
Since the steam deck 2 will make use of the amazing gains, I wonder if people will really start considering the Deck as an alternative to Switch 2. There’s already a TON of overlap in the indy game scene. SO many of those release on both Steam and Switch.
Obviously the hardcore Nintendo IP fans will stick with Switch 2, but outside of that … ???
The Deck has really been a game changer!
I wouldn’t mind a beefier switch, the original always feels so fragile in my meaty mitts
ARM chips have seen massive gains too. If they use a sufficiently powerful chip, then I’m sure they could easily match the performance of a PS4.
Yeah it has to be 4KHDR 30fps and 4KSDR/QHD 60fps docked to even market its difference. That’s the standard now. It’s like having an SD console during the Xbox/PS3 gen. So it needs a proper APU to be able to keep every game stable or have the new dock have an eGPU.
It’s not going to be the Switch U?
I heard that they’ve named it the “SwitchCube Advance SP 3DS”
Oh… not the turbo edition then. Lame.
I’ll still call it a Gameboy
Wasn’t supposed to be called The new Switch U deluxe?
I’m voting for the SwIItch (or Swiitch)
Yay, rebuying all my indie games I could have gotten on Steam for half of the price just to keep playing on the go. Because that’s what they’ll make us do.
And paying 70 bucks for the first party games. Really can’t wait!
Steam Deck exists people. Basically replaced my Switch for everything not first party exclusive
Heck, with yuzu it did replace the switch.
I have all my switch, steam, itch.io, gog, ect…all in one console.
I’m not even sure my Switch works anymore tbh - Steamdeck completely replaced it for me. The games are cheaper, run better and it’s a full blown PC that can do so many things including emulation.
Yay, rebuying all my indie games I could have gotten on Steam for half of the price just to keep playing on the go. Because that’s what they’ll make us do
This is what the SteamDeck (or ASUS ROG Ally) is for my friend 😊
Hey now, 70 is what we pay for 720p games. 4k is gonna cost you a bit more.
The improved hardware will be a colossal improvement, but what we really need is some kind of a game pass alternative. Sometimes I want to just play MK8 with the homies but I don’t want to pay 60+dlc for a game i’ll be playing once every 3 months
Don’t worry. Nintendo always keep up with the latest gaming trends. It just takes them an extra decade to get there…
They’re hanging on to that old business model that’s served them well over the years, and I presume still does. BotW was a launch title, over 6 years old, and it’s still full price even now. Even emulation being possible while the platform is still current doesn’t put them off.
Guess they’ll rethink it when it stops working.
It’ll never stop working for the same reasons why Apple does business they way they do it. If you design your stuff a very specific way, only allow people to run software on your specific hardware, and also strictly control distribution, people will have no choice other than to spend what you’re asking. And since people continue doing that, that’s the reason why the new Zelda game is 70 Euro instead of 60, and why MK8 will never go on sale below 20% off
It only really stops working when people go “wait, I can buy Nintendo and pay 70 a game, or I can buy Sony/Xbox and GamePass/PSN Extra for the same price and have games all year”.
It’s especially a no-brainer if you have kids who finish games in a week because they have all of the time but none of the money.
I have heard that dev kits were going out, probably the most credible rumors I’ve heard so far, but unless it’s more like a switch 1.5, I don’t think we’re going to have a holiday 2024 release windows. Unless it’s announced during holiday 2023 I suppose, but I can’t see less than a year of marketing unless it’s more of a deluxe/pro version.
The Switch was announced in October and released in March and it was plenty of time for hype. A console with this many sales didn’t need a year of hype, I think that long of a wait would do the opposite actually.
Yeah Nintendo is pretty good during the modern era with buttoning everything up before previews for a short launch.
Hmm, wow, looks like you’re right, I thought that cycle was a lot longer. Perhaps because I end up so steepped in the rumor and leak community. Maybe then, maybe. The first time I heard the dev kit rumors was probably back in January ish? So let’s say they had them for a quarter before the rumor got out, though it could obviously be a lot longer.
That’s September 2022 to November 2024 to prepare launch titles, definitely not a bad timeline at all, especially if the architecture is similar to the switch.
Oh yeah, the rumours were swirling around for so long before hand. Nintendo Live is in Sept, so they might announce then and go for a May release. A bit longer between but a good time to build hype.
Yeah, leak season is my favorite part of the cycle, because so many of them are just so outlandish it’s hilarious, plus the community is usually pretty chill about everything, even when the leak you supported/believed was debunked. Here’s hoping, I think it’ll either be September to May or June to November, with that new information. The death of E3 has opened up a lot of possibilities for announcements. It’s almost more exciting than when you knew where it would be revealed.
As opposed to the other source a couple days ago which said it will launch in March.
And I’ve just made my own source which says it’s already launched.
/me puts on speculation hat
They are probably getting it out now due to the battery regulations coming in, in the EU in 2027. All of the R&D is already done and its probably too late in the lifecycle to change the design to have a removable battery. They’ll just do it on the next console.
Pretty sure EU regulations allow for batteries that are internal, but reasonably user-replaceable. The Switch’s battery is one of those.
All Nintendo needs is a game library subscription kind of thing. I don’t want to pay £70 for Super Mario Wii U Switch 2 4K
I’ll rather pay once that 10 bucks a month for the next 36 months. I also like still having the game in 15 years, after the servers have been shut down, and when i wouldnt pay a monthly fee
Amd then theyre stuck with a game they bought full price to play once for shits n giggles. Game passes are great for getting to try out games you might not play otherwise or would only want to play once.
Steam’s approach is best. Buy the game at any price, frequently discounted, return any time without questions if you played less than 2h and two weeks of ownership. I think that’s incredibly fair. Plus you get to keep your games should Steam ever go under.
cant get your games emulated on the steamdeck if the platform is too powerful to run on the steamdeck :^)
Going back to LCD is shitty. If they fix joycon drift I’ll forgive it.
They won’t. It’s likely to up a slight hardware improvement and different size carts so you have to buy Switch 2 only games.
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DS->DS Lite->DSi->DSi XL->3DS->3DS XL->New 3DS XL I think it tracks perfectly
DS lite, DSi, DSi XL were just iterations of the original DS. Same with 3DS family. These weren’t a new console, only 2 consoles - DS and 3DS
The DSi was a hardware upgrade and so was the New 3DS.
It was a PS4 Pro situation. It was still the DS family, same games etc. A Switch 2 with only updated internals would be totally different, it won’t be the same console
Fine, Wii > Wii U
How were Wii and WiiU similar in anything but the name?
The GameCube, Wii, and Wii U all use the same basic setup: PowerPC G3 CPU and an ATi/AMD GPU with an upgrade each generation. They are, in effect, very similar to how the PS4 and Xbox One started their own current trends. In fact, the Wii U can run GameCube games natively with some effort, and Wii games out of the box.
But WiiU is anything but a Wii in another case. It is completely different in how you play the games through the controller and different to what the first comment was saying
NES -> SNES.
The Switch line was great because it integrated their console and handheld lines into one. They won’t go away from that.
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Wii U stuck to it. Same motion based, same wiimote along with new pad, same CD style. They marketed it very, very badly
If it ain’t broke don’t switch it!
Hopefully they’re not switching to the Apple business model.
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Neat.
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