Its horrendous, my work windows laptop the amount of crap just loading at startup is getting stupid.
Most of my coworkers never turn their machine off, but I appreciate windows taking it’s time. Warming up the work laptop in the morning is like a ceremony at this point. Solid 10-15 minutes to grab coffee, have a chat, check the feeds… Lol I wonder how much time/productivity is collectively wasted across the country from this crap.
Every time you want a break just relax and if the boss shows up just restart your computer. Tell them you’re waiting for the system to boot after it froze or installed an update.
Yeah, straight back 15-20 years ☕😋
I remember my morning routine around 2007-2008 in college before Linux was usable enough for me was turn on laptop, make coffee and have breakfast. Once the clickety clack stopped, check email or something. If it was still clacking away, get ready to head to university and it would have to wait. While I had XP on that thing it did not leave the house unless I was planning to hit the library to write a paper or something that would take more than an hour. It was not worth it to go through the startup procedure between classes. I needed the charger wherever I took it because 20% was lost to either starting up or traveling while on.
when i set up a new pc i warn the users moving from really old ones that their coffee-fetching and bagel toasting time is about to shrink to zero.
Oh definitely. Its shut down every day, has a dedicated dock in the home office, and I open it at 9am.
Thats when I get my coffee and snack. Its just surprising how much longer I can sit and sip before starting now.
Including all the analytics gathering windows has to run on startup. What a pain.
“Nah man you just need a little more AI bullshit crammed into all your apps.” -Microsoft, probably
They also make Edge launch at startup, it also never really closes when you “close” it.
Thats because of office I believe, since its using edge underneath.
Ah, the edgewebview2 crash. So consistent, so destructive.
This is why I’m glad I mostly just use it for teams, everything else is pretty much ssh from my main workstation (debian).
Wait is the stupid lag in Word because it’s running on Electron now??? That explains so much.
Edit: after a little bit of searching, it looks like it just loads webview2 to avoid having to load it if you open any of the add-in search panels. So the lagginess of new word is just inexcusable.
that bit you can turn off in edge settings… but the webview engine stays because of widgets and probably some other bullshit.
my work windows pc used to fill almost the entire 8gb ram with just the crap that autostarted.
Ive got 16gb in the work-provided machine… And I can safely say that more than half is just autostart crap.
Since I only use it for messaging/email, I don’t much care tbh. Just kind of a fun to note for the laughs though.
And this is how adding code to Word 97 for 28 years without refactoring works.
Interestingly they did the same with Word 97: loaded Office at startup so the individual Office applications would seem to launch faster.
Install Linux. Use OpenOffice. Problem solved.
Don’t use OpenOffice, it’s nearly unmaintained, use LibreOffice
LibeOffice, OnlyOffice, all great apps
libreoffice. which has also had a similar feature for years.
afaik onlyoffice has financial connections to russia, fyi
Libreoffice, OpenOffice was abandoned when oracle bought it
You’re right. Sorry, my age is showing showing. LOL
Why are people using word processors at all ? They’re only used to print letters on paper.
I’m forced to use Windows due to work and damn is it slow. File explorer feels so sluggish compared to Dolphin
Deleting files and folders in Windows is the one that gets me. It’s so incredibly slow, and if you try to cancel it manages to take even longer “Cancelling…”.
Yep, it’s quickly becoming absolute garbage, I hate it more every day. Getting home back on Linux feels so much better.
Agree, especially switching between tabs is sooooooo slow
Obligatory Windows is trash and f those guys. Something about Dolphin turns me off tho. Thinking about exploring new file explorers.
I can’t seem to find a view I like in Dolphin. Everything I try I still end up with these two columns when I’d rather have one compact list.
We have 64 bit multi-core CPUs unconstrained by clock speeds, RAM, bus bottlenecks, instructions sets, addressing modes, registers, or storage speeds. Monitors are beyond visual resolution, graphics are pumped out at a rate of zillions and gazillions of 32 bit pixels per second. How can any software be anything less than instantaneous these days? How can this modern bloated AI-dreamt high-level sludge code be as slow as my Commodore 64 booting GEOS from a 5.25" floppy?
The mouse button shouldn’t even have time to bounce up from my finger releasing it and the screen should already be loaded.
Companies running 10-20 year old hardware and the amount of spyware that exists nowadays gets in the way
Of course it’s slow, it’s full of telemetry, spyware and built-in AI junk, it couldn’t be any different
i’m just surprised HOW they are able to make text editor apps so heavy and slow. seriously, HOW??
There used to be a bug in ms word (idk if it’s still there, it’s been years since I last used any ms office app) where, if you had a separate printing server connected to a printer, and the printer was off but the server was online, it would try to fetch printer features, resulting in an unanswered request that would end up timing out. For some reason, word would completely freeze until the request timed out at 30s. No input worked, screen didn’t refresh, window controls didn’t work either. Completely frozen. And the worst part was that word would try to fetch printer features every time you clicked completely unrelated buttons. Want to export to PDF? Frozen for 30s. Want to save your document with a different name? First wait for 30s. Oh, you want to change the page size? You guessed it, 30s frozen.
They shouldn’t have made it so bloated then. The 2003 version opened fairly quickly, even on a late 90’s computer.
Moore gives. Billiam takes.
Obligatory
But now windows takes longer to boot and is too slow because ms office is always running in the background. +1 for reasons to use linux.
I’m constantly shocked how poorly Windows 11 runs on brand new high end hardware.
My current company uses brand new $1,500 HP enterprise grade laptops and they frequently freeze up, stutter, and get really hot from basic office work.
My old Debian servers I used to have there were running butter smooth with KDE Plasma on 12 year old hardware.
All those screenshots don’t get processed for free.
Yeah ofc Lol.
Coming soon to your neck of the woods… Copilot OS! Now with no Windows, only Copilot and a shitty embedded MS Edge. Everything you know as Windows is hidden behind an enforced Microsoft account which you cannot bypass or opt-out! Oh—and don’t forget—you now need a PC with 64GB DDR6789 RAM, RBG+ chipset with tiny peener cache, 2 BRAIN TRACING GPUs, SUPER SECURE BOOT, TrustClock, Lie Detector, Bio-metric reader created by NSA, and their secret time bomb tracker that will secretly ghost all your data at a moments notice and require you to purchase the subscription to ALL STAR MEGA SUPER SONIC ULTRA CLOUD DATA WAREHOUSE. Oh, but hey, at least it’s software upgradable…
Windows is actually streamed from the MS Cloud™. Only Copilot and the Word loader run locally.
What? You live in a lower income country and doesn’t have a reliable internet connection and a high spec machine? Our board of directors have a personal message for you:
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“Fuck you!”
I switched to LibreOffice more than a decade ago and I never missed Microsoft Office 🤷♀️
(EDIT: I don’t mean this dogmatically, there are plenty of times I have had to compromise and go back to proprietary software, but LibreOffice really has successfully replaced Microsoft Office for me - it’s just as feature-rich and reliable with a similar UI. Google Sheets has a few features that I like and which aren’t in LibreOffice or MS Office, but I only use that for work when I need a collaborative sheet.)
Another libreoffice user here. Published a couple of academic works edited entirely on it, and no one complained about formatting errors. Things have improved a lot in the last years. We also have onlyoffice as another great alternative
+1 I used LibreOffice all through university, wrote dozens of papers, did class presentations, résumés, etc. Never had a problem. I use it at work too and collaborate with O365 users often.
Such an awesome piece of software. I used OnlyOffice as well, really nice if you don’t need the fancier features that LibreOffice has.
Wait isn’t OnlyOffice more feature wise closer to MS office, and with a more similar layout? Used it shortly but realized I like the “older” non ribbon UI of LO, but I’m still relearning the old office layout.
It’s designed to be more compatible with MS’ .docx formats, less weird formatting issues when converting between them. But the actual features it has is less than LibreOffice.
Two different focuses, LibreOffice is designed with more powerful features and uses the .odf file format by default.
OnlyOffice is lighter weight and designed with MS Office compatibility first and foremost, although both suites support both file formats and in my experience, both work great with either file types and for basic users, have all the features you would need.
Don’t use Windows? Use Linux instead.
Just a thought.
Remember the other day when Microsoft boasted that 40% of their code is written by AI?
All of this while Excel is still stuck in 1997 in terms of functionality.
So are bicycles. They do a thing and they do it well.
Nonsense, Excel is extremely bad at analyzing and visualizing data. The whole point of Excel is ease of use, cell reference, etc. Now make 10 graphs with different ranges, different axis ranges, etc. good luck. It is a whole lot of useless clicking, with open tabs like axis ranges of course always resetting to the line formatting. It is exactly like it was 20 years ago with zero improvement. You can still NOT simply input a cell with a value into the axis range to make it automatic.
