This link has the transcript for the image above, but here’s a key point:
And dammit, if that all makes me “woke”, then I think anybody who uses that word as a pejorative is a f*cking disgrace to the human race. So please just unfollow me right now.
Honestly even the over-the-top caricature that he is is still well-meaning and mostly decent, just zealous. Like literally even their worst case boogyman version is… Mostly fine?
Nope. All are “the radical left” to them, because improving someone else’s life a lot at the cost of a minor inconvenience to yourself is an unhinged, radical idea to them.
Right wing ideals have never been consistent. It’s all bluster to push an immediate narrative with no regard to how contradictive it is to their other ideals
Exactly. Like, what are TV suppose to teach? Don’t fraternise with black people? Men should always be dominant over women? Empathy is bad? Christianity is the one and only true religion and Muslims should be deported?
It’s real simple: woke has a negative connotation for a reason. I won’t deny that the context is complex, but if you think most people react positively to the phrase, you’re living under a rock.
yea, because right wing propaganda has turned it into a pejorative.
LOL, it hasn’t done that in its own. Stop giving them more influence than they’re due. Woke language even has librarais cringing, and it’s not because they oppose the message.
Woke messaging has a problem with exaggeration, the same as all political messaging does. You guys say things like “all gender identities are social constructs,” when that’s clearly not the case. You say things like “all racism is due to systemic racism,” when clearly that’s not the case. People see this. They’re not stupid. They see that your assertions are wrong. I align with the message, I really do, but I’m tired of “woke” messengers fucking up our message with their hyperbolic bullshit. This plays right into Trump’s hands! And until you dipshits see it, he will continue to take advantage and win. So, I’m sorry if you don’t like me pointing it out, but you’re the fucking problem!
I’ve never heard anyone say either of those things but I don’t have an argument against the first one based my understanding of gender.
I think that parts of your statement are likely correct but I doubt a lot of it. The comment you replied to was correct though it is likely more nuanced. That is where your point could play in (which is what enables much exaggeration used by opponents) but your examples show me that you are quite biased (not that I am not) and not necessarily part of those who would be willing to listen to the whole thing.
Could we please stop calling this mediocre LARPers Nazis? My grandfather was a Nazi, party book, SA uniform and all… and he would be ashamed of the MAGAs et. al.
I would recommend we stop using a term altogether and simply make our points. Words can always be deconstructed and redefined. The fact that we create and cling to them is our own fault. “Woke” was a term created by the Left and redefined by the Right. It’s very frustrating to me how we’ve totally cooperated with way the Right is redefining the term by responding to it as though they have a legit understanding of it. Which we have done simply by responding. So many of us are like “they don’t know what it means!” But they do. We defined it for them, and now we just don’t like that they’re using it to attack us. The definition of “woke” is “liberal bullshit.” And it has meaning to all conservatives; the fact that liberals think it’s meaningless doesn’t matter. We don’t even use the term anymore, because we’ve acquiesced to the conservative definition. That means they’ve won, with respect to that specific term. So, stop using it. Let them have it. Move on.
It has a negative connotation only for nazis and racists. For everyone else it has a clear, well defined meaning. Anyone who uses it as pejorative is a racist, nazi propagandist.
You’re just plain wrong. As evidenced by the mainstream media using it as such. They’re not pandering to Nazis. They’re pandering to mainstream liberals, and they see it as a negative term. Go cry to them. Boo-hoo.
That reason is right wing propogandists who have a long history of trying to appropriate language others are using and using it as a negative label within their own community to try to distract from all the bullshit they’re doing to those bigots they are distracting.
People who say that woke is always bad are wrong. People who say that woke is always great are wrong. The concept is being used for cynically manipulating people to be at each others’ throats all the time because that’s how fucked up shit companies make amazing amounts of money these days apparently.
Dunno how lemmy plays into all this, probably by cargo culting what those shit companies were doing.
Maybe you’re confusing being aware with specific choices of how to respond. Being aware is always good, but you can always argue with what people choose to do with that knowledge.
it was always “woke”
it should be woke
woke is a GOOD thing, and anyone who says otherwise is a sack of shit and should be ashamed
sincerely,
woke AF woke person who is woke
Where the fuck is carburetor?
It became woke so was removed
Hidden by the valve cover, intake is on the far side, note the spark plugs on this side. Air cleaner has been removed. It’s a straight-4.
Gotta love that the battery is the same size as most of the visible engine.
Yup, and you had to regularly check the water level in it.
The car is probably something like a Chevy II.
All whopping 90 hp of it. My first car was 85 hp, so I had to admire the 90 hp Chevy II.
😁 Those dinky little engines were tough, run forever.
Mine was a chevy pickup with the Straight-6 and three on the tree.
Straight six for the indestructible win.
In England, before ‘woke’ and ‘snowflake’ was a saying, people used to say ‘it’s PC gone mad’.
Sincerely, someone whose PC went mad.
Have you tried fixing your PC by installing Linux?
Yeah.
I use arch btw.
Is arch woke?
Linus is.
This link has the transcript for the image above, but here’s a key point:
Conservatives essentially believe that liberals are all the PC Principal from South Park.
Honestly even the over-the-top caricature that he is is still well-meaning and mostly decent, just zealous. Like literally even their worst case boogyman version is… Mostly fine?
And cannot tell the difference between a peak neoliberal shitlib, an anarchist, or a stalinist
Nope. All are “the radical left” to them, because improving someone else’s life a lot at the cost of a minor inconvenience to yourself is an unhinged, radical idea to them.
Woke is literally just the opposite of ignorant
Woke = Enlightened
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I never got how it was ‘bad’ to be woke but at the same time we should ‘wake up sheeple’.
War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
Well, sheeple are the ancient eneny, so you must wake them from the dream that is the world without waking yourself or those you love.
I dont get how you dont understand this.
Right wing ideals have never been consistent. It’s all bluster to push an immediate narrative with no regard to how contradictive it is to their other ideals
Woke, Anti fascist are bad words now. Sounds like a famous book I read.
Exactly. Like, what are TV suppose to teach? Don’t fraternise with black people? Men should always be dominant over women? Empathy is bad? Christianity is the one and only true religion and Muslims should be deported?
Don’t ask if you might not like the answer :/
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For someone who’s so “woke” you’re really societally unaware. But I guess that might be the point….
please, enlighten me
It’s real simple: woke has a negative connotation for a reason. I won’t deny that the context is complex, but if you think most people react positively to the phrase, you’re living under a rock.
“Woke” is a term bigots and racists took over to use to hate on “tolerance” without saying they hate “tolerance”. Take it back.
yea, because right wing propaganda has turned it into a pejorative.
i don’t know how i gave the impression that i give a fuck what maga thinks. but i don’t.
where did i say or imply that? you’re making assumptions based on what you feel, and those assumptions are wrong
again, woke is a GOOD thing, and anyone who says otherwise is a sack of shit and should be ashamed
LOL, it hasn’t done that in its own. Stop giving them more influence than they’re due. Woke language even has librarais cringing, and it’s not because they oppose the message.
Woke messaging has a problem with exaggeration, the same as all political messaging does. You guys say things like “all gender identities are social constructs,” when that’s clearly not the case. You say things like “all racism is due to systemic racism,” when clearly that’s not the case. People see this. They’re not stupid. They see that your assertions are wrong. I align with the message, I really do, but I’m tired of “woke” messengers fucking up our message with their hyperbolic bullshit. This plays right into Trump’s hands! And until you dipshits see it, he will continue to take advantage and win. So, I’m sorry if you don’t like me pointing it out, but you’re the fucking problem!
I’ve never heard anyone say either of those things but I don’t have an argument against the first one based my understanding of gender.
I think that parts of your statement are likely correct but I doubt a lot of it. The comment you replied to was correct though it is likely more nuanced. That is where your point could play in (which is what enables much exaggeration used by opponents) but your examples show me that you are quite biased (not that I am not) and not necessarily part of those who would be willing to listen to the whole thing.
Well there’s a progressive attitude. I imagine a rainbow swastika.
The only swastikas being flown on flags are from MAGAts.
What would you have us use instead then? They were going after “empathy” last month. No matter what word you choose, Nazis are gonna Nazi.
Could we please stop calling this mediocre LARPers Nazis? My grandfather was a Nazi, party book, SA uniform and all… and he would be ashamed of the MAGAs et. al.
I would recommend we stop using a term altogether and simply make our points. Words can always be deconstructed and redefined. The fact that we create and cling to them is our own fault. “Woke” was a term created by the Left and redefined by the Right. It’s very frustrating to me how we’ve totally cooperated with way the Right is redefining the term by responding to it as though they have a legit understanding of it. Which we have done simply by responding. So many of us are like “they don’t know what it means!” But they do. We defined it for them, and now we just don’t like that they’re using it to attack us. The definition of “woke” is “liberal bullshit.” And it has meaning to all conservatives; the fact that liberals think it’s meaningless doesn’t matter. We don’t even use the term anymore, because we’ve acquiesced to the conservative definition. That means they’ve won, with respect to that specific term. So, stop using it. Let them have it. Move on.
It has a negative connotation only for nazis and racists. For everyone else it has a clear, well defined meaning. Anyone who uses it as pejorative is a racist, nazi propagandist.
You’re just plain wrong. As evidenced by the mainstream media using it as such. They’re not pandering to Nazis. They’re pandering to mainstream liberals, and they see it as a negative term. Go cry to them. Boo-hoo.
I believe you have proved my point.
LOL, then your point is garbage.
No you just dont understand it lol
That reason is right wing propogandists who have a long history of trying to appropriate language others are using and using it as a negative label within their own community to try to distract from all the bullshit they’re doing to those bigots they are distracting.
That’s it.
What is this “long history” you speak of? Point to it for me. Demonstrate you know what you’re talking about.
Believe me, I have no love of conservatives, but you still have to back up your points with facts.
It’s very easy to debunk Trump’s points with facts because he has none.
You sound so woke
Ooh, sick burn.
For someone who’s so “societally aware”, you’re really a sack of shit. But I guess that might be the point…
People who say that woke is always bad are wrong. People who say that woke is always great are wrong. The concept is being used for cynically manipulating people to be at each others’ throats all the time because that’s how fucked up shit companies make amazing amounts of money these days apparently.
Dunno how lemmy plays into all this, probably by cargo culting what those shit companies were doing.
When the fuck is it bad to be aware of systems and oppression and systems of oppression?
When what you think you are aware of is not exactly true.
So when you’re not actually aware…
So… When i think im being oppressed by the jews, instead of the christians?
That’s not ‘woke’ though. That’s insane woowoo nonsense.
Such as?
Maybe you’re confusing being aware with specific choices of how to respond. Being aware is always good, but you can always argue with what people choose to do with that knowledge.
I am definitely on your side but being aware of things can be very depressing.
LOL bro-- you’re in the wrong fucking place here
woke is ALWAYS great. the opposite of woke is ALWAYS bad.
i don’t know what your maga motivation is, but it’s weak.