Cryptobros gonna cryptobro

  • @rysiekOP
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    22 years ago

    Wow, you either read books very fast and understand very little from them, or you just pull crap out of your arse without even bothering at all to dive into the source material.

    I wonder which one is it. 🤔

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      -12 years ago

      The synopsis and reviews of the source material just talk about it exploring the history of money and giving evidence to point out to it’s origin as credit. All reviews of the book whether good/bad mention the end of the book recommending debt relief and it’s talks about everyday communism in none are any concrete alternatives mentioned. So regarding your critique of capitalism and the author’s background as an anarchist it serves to reason that any alternative system to capitalism that would be promoted must be anarchism so what pray tell did I pull out of my arse even jacobin doesn’t really find it that enlightening https://www.jacobinmag.com/2012/08/debt-the-first-500-pages/

      • @rysiekOP
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        I guess we’ll never know until you read the book. 😄

        But here’s another hint: perhaps debt relief can be implemented without an “anarchism”. You might also want to explore the author’s definition of “everyday communism”, and how it doesn’t have much to do with a communist state.

        But I am not going to hold my breath here.

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          Are you an imbecile if you suggest a book by an anarchist and then complain about capitalism and talk about the need for it to be replaced any sensible person would conclude that you’re advocating for the replacement of capitalism with anarchism and not just debt relief, further more we already do debt relief for poor countries and as you can plainly see it does nothing for them as the corrupt politicians will just continue to loot the country’s assets and rack up the nation’s debt for it to be considered for relief yet again leaving the citizens to bear the cost as nation states unlike individuals/companies will always have even one willing lender meaning this cycle of misery could possibly continue till the end of time with their purchasing power constantly being eroded and the possibly that at anytime their assets stored at the bank could be expropriated by the government and the author’s definition of everyday communism as I already explained is literally just doing nice thing for other people again I assumed that you were an individual with a working brain who would realize that there has never been a society in the history of mankind that has operated on pure altruism and that charity alone cannot solve the issue of global poverty

          • @rysiekOP
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            22 years ago

            Are you an imbecile

            Are you ever able to make an argument without calling people names?

            if you suggest a book by an anarchist and then complain about capitalism and talk about the need for it to be replaced any sensible person would conclude that you’re advocating for the replacement of capitalism with anarchism and not just debt relief

            And if you’re defending cryptobro scams any sensible person would conclude you’re okay with them. How has that worked out for you so far?

            there has never been a society in the history of mankind that has operated on pure altruism and that charity alone cannot solve the issue of global poverty

            Nobody ever said anything about pure altruism, nor charity. Debt relief is not charity.

            I also really like how you make a point about the “politicians” doing the looting literally in a thread started by an article on how cryptobros loot poeple that had just been looted by other cryptobros. I guess if the looting is a private enterprise, it’s fine and dandy? 🙄

            But please do go on, I enjoy reading your hot takes about what’s in a book you have not read, and what I think that I have not said!

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              -12 years ago

              And if you’re defending cryptobro scams any sensible person would conclude you’re okay with them. How has that worked out for you so far?

              Anyone with a brain in their head can see that I’m not defending scams but the right of individuals to make choices based on the information given to them and bear the responsibilities for those choices.

              Nobody ever said anything about pure altruism, nor charity. Debt relief is not charity.I also really like how you make a point about the “politicians” doing the looting literally in a thread started by an article on how cryptobros loot poeple that had just been looted by other cryptobros. I guess if the looting is a private enterprise, it’s fine and dandy? 🙄 But please do go on, I enjoy reading your hot takes about what’s in a book you have not read, and what I think that I have not said!

              Charity is generosity and helpfulness especially toward the needy or suffering so of course debt relief is charity.The cryptobros aren’t forced to use those defi applications you removed and are able to read the source code of the application before using it and decide whether or not to use it while the citizens of third world countries have no choice in what countries they’re born in and are largely unable to move to other countries safely without help nor did they elect the politicians in power on a platform of inflating their currency again I ask how the fuck does everyday communism/debit relief stop central banks from devaluating currencies and governments from expropriating property of their citizens

              • @rysiekOP
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                22 years ago

                Charity is generosity and helpfulness especially toward the needy or suffering so of course debt relief is charity.

                That’s like saying “tax deductions are charity”. Which is to say, untrue. Charity is personal, debt forgiveness is public policy.

                The cryptobros (…) are able to read the source code of the application before using it and decide whether or not to use it

                That is demonstrably untrue. The source code is accessible, sure, but ability to read it and reason about it is a whole different thing. And as smart contract bugs and all other sorts of problems with code related to “defi” show, that ability is not really doing them much good.

                And before you go on a tangent about how “open source is important”, I’ve been doing FLOSS activism for way over a decade now.

                the citizens of third world countries have no choice in what countries they’re born in

                Dunno, man, can’t remember being asked where I want to be born in either, even though I come from the so-called “Western World”. 🤷

                and are largely unable to move to other countries safely without help

                And crypto helps here… how exactly?

                I ask how the fuck does everyday communism/debit relief stop central banks from devaluating currencies and governments from expropriating property of their citizens

                Again, I guess we’ll never know!

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                  That’s like saying “tax deductions are charity”. Which is to say, untrue. Charity is personal, debt forgiveness is public policy.

                  please open a dictionary whether or not an act of kindness is done by an individual/company/government doesn’t alter the fact that it’s charity.

                  That is demonstrably untrue. The source code is accessible, sure, but ability to read it and reason about it is a whole different thing. And as smart contract bugs and all other sorts of problems with code related to “defi” show, that ability is not really doing them much good.

                  The same could be said about all open source software even if they aren’t technical it’s not wholly impossible to get in touch with people are and make a decision again it’s their decision whether or not to get involved with something they don’t fully comprehend no one is holding a gun to their head forcing them to do so.

                  Dunno, man, can’t remember being asked where I want to be born in either, even though I come from the so-called “Western World”. 🤷

                  The point you idiot is that they don’t get to choose to be born in place with loads of corruption and you being born in the west isn’t a curse like being born in a third world country is at the end of the day the chances are high that you have the capital needed/can find someone to give you the capital if you needed/wanted to move somewhere else and do so safely

                  And crypto helps here… how exactly?

                  It gives them a way to preserve their purchasing power while they’re stuck in that hellhole and save up to be able to move somewhere nicer

                  • @rysiekOP
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                    12 years ago

                    The point you idiot is that they don’t get to choose to be born in place with loads of corruption and you being born in the west

                    Wait, I’m confused. You kept bringing up how the financial system is corrupt, and kept giving examples from the West. Now you’re saying that there is not loads of corruption in “the West”?

                    Which one is it?

                    It gives them a way to preserve their purchasing power while they’re stuck in that hellhole and save up to be able to move somewhere nicer

                    I kinda think calling certain countries “hellholes” is kinda racist, don’t you?

                    Also, what purchasing power is there to be preserved, exactly, when people in such circumstances often earn less than $5.5 per day while BTC transaction fees “plummeted” down to ~$2?

                    And before you start calling me names again and telling me that there are other cryptocurrencies, perhaps consider when exactly a person living on $5.50 per day and working all-day shifts is supposed to do their research into cryptocurrencies, not to mention reading the code and the smart contracts to make sure all is nice and dandy.

                    Outside, of course, of right-libertarian fantasy world, not all too much different from Cryptoland perhaps, which is so cringe and intethered from reality that it is literally a meme. 🤣

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                02 years ago

                everyday communism/debit relief stop central banks from devaluating currencies and governments from expropriating property of their citizens

                First of all BANKS DO NOT EXIST UNDER COMMUNISM

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                  02 years ago

                  First of all NO ONE WAS TALKING ABOUT A HYPOTHETICAL COMMUNIST SOCIETY