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    1986
    1986
    1999 but that’s about the development of Soviet Union
    2003, wow.

    Only the last one ends with this little gem of an argument in your (dis)favour;

    By the 1970s, the ratio of good decisions to bad was falling. Perhaps the greatest virtue of the market system is that no single individual is in charge of the economy, so no one has to contrive solutions to the challenges that continually arise. The early strength of the Soviet system became its great weakness as the economy stopped growing because of the failure of imagination at the top.

    And of course does not compare the quality of life before and after collapse of state capitalism (or communism as you want to call it).

    So, which one of these proves how life conditions dropped since the collapse of USSR and where? You might not have reached that level of education yet, but generally it’s in good fashion to reference particular pages. Seems very much like a hasty google search by basic keywords. You’re a bad joke, and so are your ‘arguments’.

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      All you’ve done here is pump your chest about how you’re a great champion of the people and how you live in squalor, and how people who disagree with you are fat losers who never go outside. You never provided a single reference to support any of your drivel, you just keep going on and on like a broken record.

      You call me a bad joke, but look at yourself there little peacock. What have you and your ilk accomplished? Your country is run by fascists, your basic rights are being chipped away year by year. You live under the dictatorship of the capitalists, and you have no solutions. Now that’s what I call a joke.

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        You never provided a single reference to support any of your drivel,

        Check my first comment please? I’m a simple worker not an academic, gave you an example from peoples direct experience, but you could find the stats for it if you cared (kinda claimed to base your opinions on them - remember?).

        And yeah, your placing your baseless arguments against my experience, so what else do you expect. I deal with few dozen refugee workers every week, on behalf of a massive trade union deal with capitalists exploiting them and have a pretty good idea of average working conditions. You claim to know better, but have nothing to prove it. Literally the only thing you proved is that your claims are baseless.

        Also, where do you live? I’ve heard a ton about my use of slave labour and how my country is run by fascists and so on. You never gave anything to confirm your claimed heritage, but surely you’re living in a proletarian utopia by now since it’s such an argument?

        It’s funny how the communist can’t do anything because of fascists, and that’s fascists fault, but it’s personally mine the fash are in charge? Not exactly like I was running a regime here for some 50 years laying groundwork for the fascist takeover you whine about. I just deal with the effects.

        I’m literally only responding for the fun of publicly beating a dead tankie horse till it disintegrates under the weight it’s own lies. Oh, and if you wonder - it aint even me downvoting your replies, you’re making an idiot out of yourself publicly.

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          Check my first comment please? I’m a simple worker not an academic, gave you an example from peoples direct experience, but you could find the stats for it if you cared (kinda claimed to base your opinions on them - remember?).

          Perhaps you should educate yourself on the problems with using anecdotal evidence. The stats you’ll find will support what I’ve repeatedly said here. Transition to capitalism created mass inequality, homelessness, and many other problems that simply didn’t exist under communism.

          I deal with few dozen refugee workers every week, on behalf of a massive trade union deal with capitalists exploiting them and have a pretty good idea of average working conditions.

          Ah yes, the refugee workers from the countries Europe helped destroy in NATO rampages for the past forty years.

          Also, where do you live? I’ve heard a ton about my use of slave labour and how my country is run by fascists and so on. You never gave anything to confirm your claimed heritage, but surely you’re living in a proletarian utopia by now since it’s such an argument?

          I live in a capitalist hellhole as well, the difference is that I don’t claim that it’s the preferred alternative.

          It’s funny how the communist can’t do anything because of fascists, and that’s fascists fault, but it’s personally mine the fash are in charge?

          Last I checked communists were the only ones who actually dealt with fascists. Once the communists got ousted the fascists took charge all over eastern Europe. Claiming that it’s actually the communists who lay the groundwork for that shit is some galaxy brain logic.

          I’m literally only responding for the fun of publicly beating a dead tankie horse till it disintegrates under the weight it’s own lies.

          I’m literally only responding because this is the most hilarious clown shit I’ve seen in a while. You should do a standup routine. Everything I’ve said here is backed up by facts and references I provided. The only idiot here is the one you see in the mirror every morning.

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            The stats you’ll find will support what I’ve repeatedly said here.

            Where will I find them? You claim to base your opinion on them so why the fuck can’t you just provide them?

            Transition to capitalism created mass inequality, homelessness, and many other problems that simply didn’t exist under communism.

            Oh yes they did exist, only were masked with fake statistics and mass incarceration. Thats what you’re not getting.

            Ah yes, the refugee workers from the countries Europe helped destroy in NATO rampages for the past forty years.

            Nah, that’s from the current Russian invasion of Ukraine, and take over of Belarus. It’s Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians, in this order, all escaping the same regime, to a capitalist crypto-fascist NATO country, in their millions. Funny, aint it?

            I live in a capitalist hellhole as well,

            Oh, so how guilty are you of it’s state?

            the difference is that I don’t claim that it’s the preferred alternative.

            Neither do I, just read what I wrote from first comment on.

            Claiming that it’s actually the communists who lay the groundwork for that shit is some galaxy brain logic.

            Any socialist opposition inside or to the party was successfully eradicated, the workers were killed by the Peoples Army, the only thing that remained were communist-nationalist associations (like “Grunwald”), the nationalist underground, and deep hatred for the oppressive regimes and the church which rejected any progressive idea after it’s people were murdered by the regime (Popiełuszko). Go figure.

            You should do a standup routine. Everything I’ve said here is backed up by facts and references I provided.

            Which were these? 1917 production stats? That proved your point of workers being worse off nowadays, or am I missing something?

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              Where will I find them? You claim to base your opinion on them so why the fuck can’t you just provide them?

              I’ll let you figure out how google works all on your own.

              Oh yes they did exist, only were masked with fake statistics and mass incarceration. Thats what you’re not getting.

              Sure yeah, everything in USSR was fake. Funny thing is that incarceration under capitalism goes up because crime goes up. Once again a well documented fact. US today has higher incarceration rate than USSR had under Stalin. But you do you there.

              Nah, that’s from the current Russian invasion of Ukraine, and take over of Belarus. It’s Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians, in this order, all escaping the same regime, to a capitalist crypto-fascist NATO country, in their millions. Funny, aint it?

              Sorry, I forgot that the only refugees you’d interact with would have blond hair and blue eyes. The others just get drowned in the sea.

              Oh, so how guilty are you of it’s state?

              I’m not, I didn’t build this state and I don’t condone it in any way.

              Neither do I, just read what I wrote from first comment on.

              From first comment on you’ve consistently said that capitalism is an improvement while still being unacceptable. You never exactly explain what exactly your master plan is for transitioning to something better, or what that would look like.

              Any socialist opposition inside or to the party was successfully eradicated, the workers were killed by the Peoples Army, the only thing that remained were communist-nationalist associations (like “Grunwald”), the nationalist underground, and deep hatred for the oppressive regimes and the church which rejected any progressive idea after it’s people were murdered by the regime (Popiełuszko). Go figure.

              Yup, that’s obviously the reason to become fascists.

              Which were these? 1917 production stats? That proved your point of workers being worse off nowadays, or am I missing something?

              I guess we’ve already established that reading comprehension wasn’t your strong point. Not what the studies actually say I’m afraid.

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                Sorry, I forgot that the only refugees you’d interact with would have blond hair and blue eyes. The others just get drowned in the sea.

                No, the other ones are weaponised by belarusian puppets of Kremlin and forced to cross a deadly border through estern forests and swamps, and since supporting them is legally “trafficing” I wont be discussing that, you misserable no life piece of shit. Come here and do 20km of forests and swamps threthened by millitary and police with a possible 10 years in prison for trying to save lives your Kremlin apologist fuck or shut the fuck up. This time im seriously over with your bullshit.

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                  Says the racist who won’t even acknowledge all the refugees from places like Syria, Libya, and Afghanistan that EU policies created and you racists ignore. You are a piece of human garbage and you’ve finally exposed yourself as such here.

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                    This are the same people you idiot.