the west

@null_radix@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago

the west

QuentinCallaghan · edit-2 2 years ago

This would be more fitting for !politicalhumor@lemmy.ml

krolden · 2 years ago

Based

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ · 2 years ago

🤔

A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country’s economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country’s switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary’s integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process.
The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied.
Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an “illegitimate state.” In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.
A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -“during the time of socialism”. The survey focused on the respondents’ views on the transition “from socialism to capitalism”, and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito’s rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as “more or less the same”. 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent choosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions.

@zksmk@lemmy.ml · edit-2 2 years ago

Meme: Russia, not communism.

Yogthos: Communism.

Edit: Also, as well, selective. Give stats for the Baltics, Poland, Czechia, etc… ex-yu is irrelevant, as it’s about Russia, not communism. No offense, but it’s like you’re literally Mel Gibson in the meme. :P

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ · 2 years ago

It’s very clearly about communism though. The claim here is that the Soviets oppressed Eastern Europe in the socialist bloc. Yet, when we look at the economies of the post Soviet countries, things got worse across the board. Yes, there are a few selective examples you can pull up that didn’t completely melt down, but on the whole what I posted is very much representative.

harc · edit-2 2 years ago

Yet, when we look at the economies of the post Soviet countries, things got worse across the board.

No, they did not. Haven’t noticed any tanks driving over striking workers lately.

Economically, for a simple comparison - in Poland it was a problem to get toilet paper and bread when I was a kid (80’s). At the moment, even with some 2 million refugees it’s not that hard to get a job and fulfil your basic needs. Not at a level we would deem acceptable, but still it’s possible to easily get basic necessities and luxuries like toilet paper, so cut your western bullshit.

Also Russia is not a communist country. I would argue it never was, but it is nowhere near now. I wouldn’t expect any arguments can reach you, so if you never been there - go on a trip and maybe you’ll sober out.

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ · 2 years ago

Yes, they did. Statistically speaking, quality of life dropped in pretty much all the former republics. There is increase in crime, there is now pervasive homelessness, regression in human rights and so on. Particularly in Poland where women’s rights regressed to medieval levels, and fascists roam freely.

Also, nobody is claiming Russia today is a communist country. Meanwhile, I grew up in USSR and I’ve met lots of people like you who ignore all the horrors of post soviet times cause they got theirs and fuck everyone else.

harc · edit-2 2 years ago

You do understand any and every statistic in USSR/boarder soviet block was fake? You do understand I live here? The audacity and entitlement of telling people what they live in is impressive. Cant be further from defending the current capitalist regime, but your propaganda bullshit is just absurd.

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ · 2 years ago

You understand I also lived there and that plenty of people disagree with you? The only one doing propaganda bullshit here is you by not being able to even acknowledge the basic facts of the situation.

harc · edit-2 2 years ago

Show me one case of capitalist from post-soviet countries firing tanks at striking workers over the last 30 years? You seem to be living a nostalgic illusion, of a world that never was. The state of the glorious socialist economy made it so, that any language and ideology of the left is received as downright offensive in at least half of these countries. Ask any leftists actually living here, all the populations went far to the right. Also confusing Serbian imperialist nationalism with actual support of socialism is hilarious.