just in general, i think we need to strongly consider reductions to copyright term lengths and the scope of what even can be copyrighted. artists being paid shouldn’t come with the downside of “basically all of the human cultural work you grow up with being unable to be substantially remixed or adapted in a new way during your lifetime”. there’s stuff which is older than any living human which is still under copyright, which is absurdist
Yeah, he’s either a straight up Nazi, or he’s untroubled using specific nazi-zeitgeist talking points and focuses. Soros isn’t the only billionaire whose main flirtation with infamy is saying “I will spend my entire fortune if I can guarantee George W. Bush, accused war criminal, is removed from power”, yet he’s the only one who is the far right’s boogie monster? If two billionaires do it, and the only one getting any consistent, concerted flak is the jewish guy, you can feel pretty confident calling these chucklefucks out for their antisemitic nonsense.
So for Musk, I mean, nazi or nazi-adjacent; either way, it’s disgusting and we’re not going to pretend like we can’t see it
No I don’t. I can’t name a billionaire who doesn’t seem like a villain to me. Why would I make an exception for jewish billionaires? Sounds kind of racist.
i mean this is just disingenuous–Musk is himself literally the richest man alive (or second, idk which), so obviously he doesn’t think being a billionaire is bad and he’s not criticizing Soros for being one. he’s criticizing him because he’s a Jewish billionaire, and Musk is a reactionary who wants the world to be a worse place. if Soros was funding white supremacist projects, Musk wouldn’t give a fuck
No you’re the one being disingenuous. I asked a question, “How does calling a billionaire a villain make you a nazi?” It’s pretty straightforward. If calling George Soros a villain doesn’t make you a nazi, but there’s more context in the case of Elon Musk, that would have been a more insightful response to my question that could have been the start of a different discussion.
But that’s not what @dax@beehaw.org said. Dax said “you don’t think calling a successful jewish guy a villain sounds like antisemitic-nazi nonsense?”
This is an implicit claim that any person, not just Musk, who has an unfavorable view of any successful jewish person is antisemitic. That’s the claim I’m responding to and it has nothing about Musk!
If the context is “are all billionaires villainous”, then sure. That isn’t the context, though. The context is “is this specific billionaire uniquely villainous” - remember, the speaker is an order of magnitude wealthier - that makes it way more likely to be a Nazi attack than a surprise anti-oligarch assessment.
So either you get that now and your question was answered, or you’re arguing in bad faith acting like we don’t see through you and this exhaustingly common nazi enabling rhetorical device.
So either you get that now and your question was answered, or you’re arguing in bad faith
My question didn’t even mention Musk. I asked how in general the action of calling a billionaire a villain makes someone a Nazi. Believe it or not, Musk is irrelevant, because he is not the only person who rightfully calls out Soros and gets accused for antisemitism. There are a lot of random nobodies who don’t have billions of dollars who get called antisemitic just because they hate when already rich and powerful people use their wealth and power to further influence politics at home and abroad. See https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/George_Soros
Case in point: I am not anywhere close to the wealth of George Soros, yet you call me a Nazi enabler for (justly) calling him a villain. Who is really in bad faith here?
yours didn’t, mine very much so did. I don’t really care about how you were trying to derail from the original topic; you asked the question within the context of the original topic, I answered it, now you’re trying to act like the context was never there. I really just don’t care about what you have to say anymore, tbh
You are, and there’s a “new post” button at the top. Or you can say “regardless of this being musk saying the original thing, can we talk about how billionaires really are just the worst?”
Coming in out of nowhere with only your own axe to grind without any of the rest of us having a concept of why you’re bringing it up just smacks of someone wanting to hate on jews, just like the original guy, which is what I originally answered of your original question.
And I’m sorry, but your non-sequitur at the end had absolutely nothing to do with how this conversation unfolded. Read it again from the top - and I don’t mean your reply to the post, but the actual post itself.
you don’t think calling a successful jewish guy a villain sounds like antisemitic-nazi nonsense?
ok
just in general, i think we need to strongly consider reductions to copyright term lengths and the scope of what even can be copyrighted. artists being paid shouldn’t come with the downside of “basically all of the human cultural work you grow up with being unable to be substantially remixed or adapted in a new way during your lifetime”. there’s stuff which is older than any living human which is still under copyright, which is absurdist
Yeah, he’s either a straight up Nazi, or he’s untroubled using specific nazi-zeitgeist talking points and focuses. Soros isn’t the only billionaire whose main flirtation with infamy is saying “I will spend my entire fortune if I can guarantee George W. Bush, accused war criminal, is removed from power”, yet he’s the only one who is the far right’s boogie monster? If two billionaires do it, and the only one getting any consistent, concerted flak is the jewish guy, you can feel pretty confident calling these chucklefucks out for their antisemitic nonsense.
So for Musk, I mean, nazi or nazi-adjacent; either way, it’s disgusting and we’re not going to pretend like we can’t see it
No I don’t. I can’t name a billionaire who doesn’t seem like a villain to me. Why would I make an exception for jewish billionaires? Sounds kind of racist.
i mean this is just disingenuous–Musk is himself literally the richest man alive (or second, idk which), so obviously he doesn’t think being a billionaire is bad and he’s not criticizing Soros for being one. he’s criticizing him because he’s a Jewish billionaire, and Musk is a reactionary who wants the world to be a worse place. if Soros was funding white supremacist projects, Musk wouldn’t give a fuck
No you’re the one being disingenuous. I asked a question, “How does calling a billionaire a villain make you a nazi?” It’s pretty straightforward. If calling George Soros a villain doesn’t make you a nazi, but there’s more context in the case of Elon Musk, that would have been a more insightful response to my question that could have been the start of a different discussion.
But that’s not what @dax@beehaw.org said. Dax said “you don’t think calling a successful jewish guy a villain sounds like antisemitic-nazi nonsense?” This is an implicit claim that any person, not just Musk, who has an unfavorable view of any successful jewish person is antisemitic. That’s the claim I’m responding to and it has nothing about Musk!
If the context is “are all billionaires villainous”, then sure. That isn’t the context, though. The context is “is this specific billionaire uniquely villainous” - remember, the speaker is an order of magnitude wealthier - that makes it way more likely to be a Nazi attack than a surprise anti-oligarch assessment.
So either you get that now and your question was answered, or you’re arguing in bad faith acting like we don’t see through you and this exhaustingly common nazi enabling rhetorical device.
My question didn’t even mention Musk. I asked how in general the action of calling a billionaire a villain makes someone a Nazi. Believe it or not, Musk is irrelevant, because he is not the only person who rightfully calls out Soros and gets accused for antisemitism. There are a lot of random nobodies who don’t have billions of dollars who get called antisemitic just because they hate when already rich and powerful people use their wealth and power to further influence politics at home and abroad. See https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/George_Soros
Case in point: I am not anywhere close to the wealth of George Soros, yet you call me a Nazi enabler for (justly) calling him a villain. Who is really in bad faith here?
my brother in Christ the article was about musk calling soros a villain
Yeah but our point of contention had nothing to do with Elon Musk
yours didn’t, mine very much so did. I don’t really care about how you were trying to derail from the original topic; you asked the question within the context of the original topic, I answered it, now you’re trying to act like the context was never there. I really just don’t care about what you have to say anymore, tbh
What, so I’m not allowed to start the discussion that I want to have even if it’s related to the original topic?
Edit: By the way, there’s a difference between providing context and imposing meaning that isn’t there.
You are, and there’s a “new post” button at the top. Or you can say “regardless of this being musk saying the original thing, can we talk about how billionaires really are just the worst?”
Coming in out of nowhere with only your own axe to grind without any of the rest of us having a concept of why you’re bringing it up just smacks of someone wanting to hate on jews, just like the original guy, which is what I originally answered of your original question.
And I’m sorry, but your non-sequitur at the end had absolutely nothing to do with how this conversation unfolded. Read it again from the top - and I don’t mean your reply to the post, but the actual post itself.