Is it when you use capital letters properly?

  • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    16 hours ago

    Capitalism with monopoly is still capitalism, Liberalism being a failed ideology does not mean it ceases to be Liberalism as it fails. There’s absolutely a we within capitalism, the working classes are a we.

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      13 hours ago

      How would socialism prevent power from accumulating? Liberals could probably do the same with capital.

      There should be a working class we in capitalism but I don’t see it. Why do you think that it exists and that it is not dispersed?

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        12 hours ago

        What do you mean “power accumulating?” This sounds like you’re talking about magic or something. Capitalists use capital for their plunder, I don’t see what you mean by linking that to socialism. As for the working class “we,” are you asking why we aren’t organized? That takes time and effort.

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          2 hours ago

          What do you mean “power accumulating?”

          People in power tend to grab more power. Like Capitalism would be acceptable if there was a progressive tax on capital. But those with much capital would collude to undermine it. Likewise socialism could also decay if the people in power would use the power to their advantage. How is that mitigated?

          “we,” are you asking why we aren’t organized?

          Not exactly. I think that there is no ‘we’ among the working class which prevents the organizing.

          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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            9 minutes ago

            People in power don’t tend to “grab more power.” “Power” is not a metaphysical power that corrupts people, what actually happens is that systems like capitalism reward those that get profit by any means necessary.

            Capitalism would not be acceptable even with a progressive tax. The basic fact is that capitalists want to pay as little as possible while workers want to be paid as much as possible, and that all profit a capitalist could make comes from value workers created.

            Not only this, but capitalism trends towards imperialism and collapse, it’s unsustainable. Over time, there is a tendency for the rate of profit to fall due to a rise in the ratio of capital to labor as representing the value of a commodity. This is combatted by expansion to raise absolute profits, and by monopoly to raise rates of profit. What this creates is a systemic push towards underdeveloping the global sourh, placing compradors in power, and super-exploiting foreign workers for super profits.

            The US Empire is at the helm, but western Europe and strategic allies also benefit and participate in this system. No amount of progressive taxation can fix this, what we need is for humanity to become the master of capital. We need to work towards collectivization of all production and distribution, and orient this towards satisfying the needs of everyone.

            I also have no idea what you’re hinting at by saying “there’s no we.”