I was watching “…why Skyrim?” by Razbuten on sloptube this aft and it’s so weird that it finally took Starfield for people to realise. Like Fallout 76 wasn’t enough, only now are negative things people were first saying about Skyrim in 2012 finally bleeding into mainstream consciousness. It’s so wild, like wow they ruined the magic system? The game has worse writing than a PS1 era Mega Man X game??? Skyrim is just shitty Game of Thrones?? Welcome to thirteen years ago!!

Bethesda hasn’t made a really good game since 2002, but it’ll probably be years before that realisation sinks in.

  • ashinadash [she/her]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
    92·
    4 months ago

    Well grats, if you do I’m not gonna stop you or like, call you unserious or whatever. The “objectivity/subjectivity” thing is such a red herring though, this post is more about general consensus turning to match views that were deeply unpopular a decade ago.

    Where did I say “objectively bad”, people always do this but pls point out where I said “my view is objective fact and unassailable”?

    • CarbonScored [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      18·
      4 months ago

      Skyrim is dogshit

      Skyrim has a boring world, dogshit quests in both writing and design, combat design that sucks from any approach

      the main story is awful

      There are games I can accept just aren’t for me … but Skyrim <not good>

      These are objective statements. At no point in fact did you ever say or even hint these were opinions, I can only find objective statements declaring an absolute truth. The word “realise” alone implies people are coming to believe a certain truth.

      Maybe we’re just talking across dialects and crossing wires, so if that’s not what you meant, then sure that’s fine and apologies for the misunderstanding. But with your wording, that’s how it comes across to me.

      I read a very different meaning from the phrase “Watching Gmers slowly realise Skyrim is dogshit has been an experience" than I would "Watching Gmers slowly agree with me that Skyrim is dogshit has been an experience”, for example.

      EDIT: If we had an emoji called “opinions” I could’ve avoided this silly argument, QED it should exist.

      • ashinadash [she/her]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
        151·
        4 months ago

        Is this the bit where you want me to preface every opinion I say with “IN MY OPINION” or “SUBJECTIVELY SPEAKING” instead of just taking it as red that views are subjective? Also coming out to defend a 40-million selling game by saying you don’t care and basically demanding that a discussion not happen (“I dont feel the need to argue”, which if u dont then dont) or only happen with specific qualifiers is pretty funny.

        I knew you were gonna bug me about “realise”, the reason I use that is because, as in the OP, the public opinion seems to be turning quite suddenly, people are realising they don’t actually think it’s good, lol.

        Maybe we’re just talking across dialects and crossing wires,

        This is basically all nitpicking yeah. People mostly do this when they dislike what someone says, I find. Something that’s worthy to note is that I had long considered Skyrim to be a “lost cause”, in that everyone enjoys it and I just hate the fucker. So it was quite a surprise to see people suddenly turning around and start beating the game up for the same things every Bethesda game since Oblivion has done. Funny…

        • Diuretic_Materialism [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          7·
          4 months ago

          Is this the bit where you want me to preface every opinion I say with “IN MY OPINION” or “SUBJECTIVELY SPEAKING” instead of just taking it as red that views are subjective?

          90% of the time when people say “IN MY OPINION” what they’re doing is signally that they don’t hold the opinion they’re about to express so strongly that they’d be willing to get into a heated debate/argument over it. They’re basically conceding you permission to disagree.

          That’s morphed into people expecting that declaration for everything so they don’t feel disrespected by disagreement.

          • GalaxyBrain [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            7·
            4 months ago

            Which is super weird cause it only seems to apply in certain circumstances, usually media criticism. If I say “Jack Black was always an annoying asshole.” No one smugly tells me I should have instead said "it is in my humble opinion that Jack Black has always been an asshole.’ They just make the very easy mental connection. If a statement is either inherently an opinion based on its nature there is no need to preface it, it’s a waste of time.

          • ashinadash [she/her]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
            51·
            4 months ago

            Yeah, Idk why people assume they have to have that “permission”. Obviously I am hip to the idea people like Skyrim…

      • FumpyAer [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        11·
        4 months ago

        The fact that it’s opinion is implied unless they specifically say “objectively” or similar (and even then, that word might actually be intended as hyperbole!). Art criticism by definition is opinion-based regardless of how it is phrased, and you shouldn’t have to state it unless you’re a YouTuber trying to stave off hundreds of angry :gamer: comments.

        It is frequently taught in English and public speaking courses that phrases like “I think” and “in my opinion” undermine your persuasiveness without significantly changing the meaning of a sentence, and I would have to agree.

      • GalaxyBrain [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        10·
        4 months ago

        It is perfectly okay to state an opinion objectively. The fact that you figured out that that these cannot be genuinely factual statements shows you are capable of parsing context cues. It’s not necessary to preface an opinion with the fact that it’s an opinion.