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      Time to face the facts: Those people just wanted Trump to win.

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      Not silence, just more bullshit unfortunately. I’ve seen them continue to defend their position.

      Edit: In this post!

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      Hi! Democrats bad, Genocide Joe. Not sure what you want us to say, this was expected and I would do the same thing again.

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      where is your evidence that things would be any different if the Dems won? Is Kamala, Genocide Joe or any other democratic leader speaking out against this? They lost and they’re as silent as they were prior to the election?

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        Oh you never saw the deal Biden worked out for peace? I know, I know, it not perfect and fighting will continue. But do not fucking lie and say Biden was not tring for peace.

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          Apologies colonial master. I have edited my post to articulately prove my point. Fact is, y’all still just blaming browns?

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            Insult. Appeal to hypocrisy. Butwhatabout…

            Do you have anything other than “but what about those other guys?” The discussion is over. You missed it.

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              Did you answer anything from my edit? No. Have you addressed the blatant racism/islamophobia? No. Okay. Discussion done because you said so. 👍🏽

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                  And this is why the Democrats lost. Keep antagonizing the left. We aren’t all straight white males with family in North America. To you it’s an equation.

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        Silence, because we all told you Biden’s plan was exactly the same?

        Then we should do the math.

        If “both sides” are the same on this issue, we cast aside those factors because they cancel out. That means you and yours actively sought the degradation of democracy, rolling back environmental protections, authoritarianism, fascism, a active and open kleptocracy, removal of rights for lgbtq people, and whatever other destructive fuckery this administration does.

        Sound about right? I mean, if you hate one side for being genocidal, and equally hate the other side for the same, then surely you would have had the intelligence to choose based on the remaining issues?

        You did choose, by action or inaction, and it’s plainly obvious what you wanted.

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          Yup. if they are same on this issue, people should have had the 95 other aspects where they are different. But again to quote another Lemmy user, “You won’t reason someone out of a viewpoint they’ve never reasoned themselves into in the first place”

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              I complain a lot about Trump… one giant reason I worked to try and get the Harris campaign to denounce the on going genocide, and to pay fucking attention to what the working class is saying, which isn’t “economy is fine, eat cake!”

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                Bullshit.

                A quick trip through your comment history is nothing but pointing fingers at Biden and Harris. You do know people can see that, right?

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                  Do you honestly think lemmy is the only place I do online shit on?

                  And yes, when the convo is “we.need to.ble voters not Harris for losing”… well, you tend to critique the person to show why they lost…

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            Well, in this case you support the side that will fuck it up even more for Palestinians. But you know, at least we all can “enjoy” your moral superiority.

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        Silence, because we all told you Biden’s plan was exactly the same?

        Biden’s administration has been attempting to hash out a peace deal with the support of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and others.

        This genocide you claim to stand against is abso-fucking-lutely going to get worse now that Trump is in office. Hiding behind ‘this was always going to happen’ is a shameful and cowardly stance to take and a pathetic attempt to absolve yourselves of any blame.

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        Biden’s plan was to move every currently living being away from Gaza?

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    Clean it out with US supplied 155 mm artillery shells. To the Muslim MAGA voters, you got what you asked for…FAFO! Zero sympathy. The Orange Nero would like to do the same thing to Blue States.

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      Zero sympathy.

      You never had any to start with. If they were too insignificant to listen to, they are too insignificant to blame. If you want to blame them, admit you made a mistake in ignoring them.

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      Yep. Now we have the opportunity for state terrorism abroad AND here. And not just thanks to Muslim MAXWA useful idiots, either, but a whole lot of bOtHsIdEs geniuses.

      Speaking of which: I see the terrorist group the Proud Boys are seeking revenge.

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    I hate to say “I told you so”, but there it is. Nothing is in place to stop Trump and Netenyahu from going truly scorched earth on Gaza and the West Bank now.

    Time to see what a real, unmitigated genocide looks like.

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        There are an estimated 2,000,000 people in the Gaza strip.

        We can continue this discussion in 4 years.

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          There are an estimated 2,000,000 people in the Gaza strip.

          And this offends centrists and republicans alike.

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      Yep, calling it a genocide in 2024 is going to look like the dumbest take ever. I mean it was already an extremely poor take in 2024, but some not very bright people seemed to have bought it. And then they managed to make half the Democrat leadership chant the same dumb thing over and over.

      Dunno if this lost the election, but it sure didn’t help.

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        Yep, calling it a genocide in 2024 is going to look like the dumbest take ever.

        Genocide denial is disgusting behavior.

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        Repeatedly targeting civilian populations with remote strikes amounts to genocide. Thousands of children have been murdered. Kicking Palestinians out of there homes for Israeli settlers is ethnic cleansing.

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        are you a paid actor or just blind? clear the fog in your small brain and rethink about what is going on

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        We wouldn’t be having this conversation if it were an unmitigated genocide because every Palestinian would already be dead.

        Israel, courtesy of the US, has enough firepower to wipe out the West Bank and Gaza several times over. Yet it never happens. Why?

        Perhaps, Netanyahu and his ilk have something to gain by keeping the conflict active.

        But ultimately they want to take the territory. They dream of making Gaza, specifically its beach, a tourist destination.

        Trump is going to help make all of this happen sooner than it would have. He wants peace in the Middle East to be one of his legacies and the quickest means to that end is to give Israel what it wants.

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          We wouldn’t be having this conversation if it were an unmitigated genocide because every Palestinian would already be dead.

          I submit that the Holocaust happened even though there are still Jewish people.

          Israel, courtesy of the US, has enough firepower to wipe out the West Bank and Gaza several times over. Yet it never happens. Why?

          You seem so disappointed.

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          I’m Jewish. The Germans committed an unmitigated genocide for a long time, but here we are talking.

          The definition of genocide does not require you to kill all of them.

          Israel will never succeed in killing all Palestinians, and they still have committed genocide

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          They’re doing it as fast as they think they can get away with.

          “Oh he could just carpet bomb all of Gaza and he hasn’t, ever think about whyyyyyyy”?

          What an utterly ridiculous premise, and you’re explaining their actions on this? Just so pathetic.

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      Yeah, Israel was going to try to do this and the US was going to support them no matter what, voters just had a choice between furrowed brows and cheerleading

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          Being more emphatic about it hasn’t been effective and it’s not great for my mental health. Things won’t get better if we misdiagnose the problem, we need a better Democratic party, complaining about voters just digs the hole we’re in deeper.

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      They’re getting exactly what they voted for, but probably not what they wanted. But at least bLuE mAgA lost right guys?

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      They never gave a shit about Palestine. It was just another example of “The Issue” for them to base their entire personality around to pose online.

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        I’m married to a Palestinian and so I’m hyper-aware about lip service, and I think you’re right. My perception is that they are weak-minded people too naive or stupid to realize they’ve been conned into sitting out the election by a right-wing psyop. And they also have this mentality that a candidate has to be perfect in every way (by their standards) or they won’t sully their purity by voting for them. They’re the same sort of people who shop at Whole Foods because anything less than perfect should never pass their lips, and don’t notice or care that it’s just funnelling their money to Bezos.

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      Hmm… not sure if its just those people who swayed the election. I think you are overestimating just how little the average American care about brown kids dying in the middle east.

      If you look at the inflation, its correlated with Biden’s presidency, but voters don’t understand the idea of

      Correlation =/= Causation

      They forgot the whole Covid thing caused it, it was trump fucking up covid that exacerbaed the inflation.

      And voters immediately thought its Biden’s fault, so those who voted democratic in 2020, decided to not vote because “prices didn’t go down so why bother voting”

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        It was death by 1000 cuts, but let’s not pretend Gaza wasn’t a major contributing factor on top of a feels-over-reals vibecession due to pandemic inflation.

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        No, the problem is that Democrats were saying “Old Man Bad.”

        Then when he stepped aside and Harris was the only other option because there was no time for a primary, Dems largely said “No, Black Woman Worse! Hey, How about we vote for the even older white guy instead? Can I have a puppy?”

        And when they didn’t get a puppy, they pulled a temper tantrum and stayed home.

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          No it wasn’t racial. At least not at that scale on the Dem side. It’s even simpler.

          The candidates this round were all terrible options, from beginning to end. Trump was always going to be the Republican nominee, and Biden/Harris for the Dems. No one else was ever going to even be considered.

          The Rep messaging was “shit is fucked, we’ll fix it”. That’s a lie of course, they have no plan to actually fix anything, their plans are to make it all and help the oligarchs as usual. But their messaging at least acknowledged the issues most people were feeling.

          The Dem messaging boiled down to “it’s not that bad”. Which is objectively correct, but not what 90% of people felt. They ignored what real people were feeling entirely, so why should they vote for a party that won’t even acknowledge that fundamental issues exist?

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            I have to disagree.

            Even if you are right on the Dem messaging (and I’m willing to concede that point to some degree), then your conclusion would make sense against a more traditional Republican candidate. But the problem is that this is Trump, who was campaigning on actively making everything worse. Like he and Musk were outright telling people they were going to “inflict hardship”. Staying home knowing you’re de-facto allowing Trump to return to power after that campaign is a case of knowing that you are about to shoot yourself in the foot, pulling the trigger anyway, then reloading the shotgun when you realize you missed some toes.

            And I do believe that it was almost entirely racially motivated. First, much like I said above, the other excuses given don’t make sense because Trump was an objectively worse option on every subject. Not just status quo. Worse. By far. You’re against Biden and Harris’s support for Israel, so you’re gonna vote for the guy who wants to basically glass Gaza for funzies? You think the economy sucks, so you’re going to vote for the guy randomly slinging around tariffs and telling you to expect years of hardship? None of it makes sense.

            But think of how many cultures that exist in our society that are incredibly patriarchal. Some people from the middle east, for example. I know a lot of bigoted Latino people who would never consider a woman his equal, and many in the Latino community are distrustful of cops. No chance in hell you’re going to get them to vote for a former prosecutor at all, let alone a black and/or female one. You have some of these religious sects where the man is the head of the family and makes all the decisions. And there are plenty of racist Democrats. They just don’t wear it as a badge of honor like Republicans do these days. Look at it this way. Diversity initiatives across the country are basically being treated like battery acid right now, and I don’t exactly see a whole hell of a lot of Democrats standing up to defend them. Why did nobody care when literally dozens of prominent Republicans endorsed Harris, but suddenly lost their collective shit when Liz Cheney did? Gee, I wonder what makes her different from all of the other prominent Republicans. Why is it that after screaming for months about “Old man bad” and demanding that Democrats don’t put up another old white guy, the first thing they did was immediately forget about age and throw their support behind an even older white guy as soon as Harris was at the top of the ticket?

            I stand firm in my belief that it was racially motivated. Age wasn’t the problem; they were OK with Bernie Sanders. The messaging wasn’t the problem. Again, she and Bernie Sanders support the same policies even if Sanders is more ambitious about getting there. The people had no problems with the message. They just didn’t like the messenger. I wonder what separates her from the other two guys…ohhhh.

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              Not gonna really bother reading past the first couple sentences, it’s the same shit people post all the time that relies on flawed assumptions of the average person. It assumes that most people have the time to learn facts and properly weigh them for conclusions. And that’s assuming they even want to pay attention to anything remotely related to politics.

              Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Many work multiple jobs. They do not have the time to spend educating themselves about these topics. Most people scroll social media and maybe watch an hour of news before bed. They are 100% reliant on messaging from social media, friends, and news organizations to do most of the analysis for them and tell them what the takeaway is for complicated situations.

              Now combine that lack of both desire and time to research, with 40+ years of targeted propaganda from the likes of Fox News distorting basic definitions about words like fascism, socialism, etc. and outright lying about the facts to push a narrative with the exact opposite explanation of reality. Right wing media has been saying the exact thing Democrats started warning people about, but they have been doing it for decades and saying it was the Dems. So those words are meaningless to the average person now, because they’ve been getting disinformation shoved down their throat for so long that the effect has been diluted and defined incorrectly.

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          Old man was okay until the shit debate job then it was old man bad.

          They quickswitched to black woman, which put her behind as no primary or time to build name recognition.

          Then guys who worked with Hillary made them stop calling trump and co. weird or saying “we’re not going back”, which were both effective.

          Top that off with trying to peel away R voters, muh egg prices, her refusing to say Biden did a bad job when she was on the view (she could have dodged and said she’d do better, lets be real.) and refusing Rogan entirely and you have a recipe for a bad time wrt undecideds.

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            Old man was okay until the shit debate job then it was old man bad.

            We were hearing everything from “he’s too old” to “he’s got dementia” for months. The debate was just the straw that broke the camel’s back. Biden was trending at -5 before the debate.

            Then guys who worked with Hillary made them stop calling trump and co. weird or saying “we’re not going back”, which were both effective.

            “We’re not going back” was her campaign slogan and there were people chanting it right up until election day.

            I think they started backing off on the “weird” thing after the Trump/Harris debate. Trump gave the much-remembered “They’re eating the dogs!” line, which itself would have been a campaign-ender for literally any other human being, and everybody started trying to use that against him. Which makes sense. Why stick to something like “weird” when your opponent is giving you such juicy ammo to use against them? I’d have done the same thing, and I think so would anybody else.

            The problem is it didn’t work. Voters heard that and said “Yes, I’d like to have more of that.”

            Top that off with trying to peel away R voters, muh egg prices, her refusing to say Biden did a bad job when she was on the view (she could have dodged and said she’d do better, lets be real.) and refusing Rogan entirely and you have a recipe for a bad time wrt undecideds.

            There is never a situation where a candidate is going to say that an incumbent member of their own party is doing a bad job. That’s just an unrealistic expectation to have. She would have been playing right into Trump’s hands, who would have used that to make the last few months of Biden’s presidency even more difficult and miserable. The most you could have expected is something along the lines of “We disagree on the finer points of some things…”. But you are never going to hear a candidate basically shit on the leader of their own party like that.

            And remember that she was Vice President. Go back and watch Trump during the campaign. When Biden dropped out, Trump essentially just swapped out Biden’s name for Harris and continued on with his campaign, acting as if Harris had been President for the past four years. He convinced a whole bunch of those undecideds that the “Harris Administration” was the source of all their problems, even though the VP has little role in day to day administration. To these undecideds, the “Biden Administration” and the “Harris Administration” were one and the same, and her saying that Biden did a bad job would be like saying she did a bad job. Trump would have been beating her over the head with that up and down the campaign trail. She would have sabotaged her own campaign and basically taken a shit on the last 3 months of Biden’s presidency in the process.

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          Actually, Kamala got equal or better vote turnout in all but one, iirc, key swing state than Biden did. So the Dems did turn up for Kamala. It’s just that Trump got more votes. Trump 2024 would have beaten Biden 2020.

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            Not gonna really bother reading past the first couple sentences, it’s the same shit people post all the time that relies on flawed assumptions of the average person

            <proceeds to make arguments relying on flawed assumptions of the average person>

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              I agree that was douchy of them to say, but at the end of the day the election is historically about the economy. Race didn’t matter. Stance on Israel/Gaza didn’t matter. Primary wouldn’t have mattered. Any dem was going to lose because the people felt they were doing worse under Biden, despite apparently handling an economic crisis masterfully. (I would argue it was largely luck, but it doesn’t matter.)

              To believe any of the sideshow issues mattered is to ignore history. It’s sad, but looks true to a high degree.

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          And this arrogant ignorance is why the Dems lost, and will continue to lose.

          It’s a bold strategy let’s see how many votes it costs you the next time around.

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            So go right ahead and tell me, you great political genius, why did the dems lose? What was so bad about Kamala Harris that allowing Trump to return to power was a viable option? How does allowing Trump to return to power in any way benefit anybody? Name one flaw Kamala Harris had that was so bad that Trump wasn’t explicitly campaigning on being exponentially worse?

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              They lost because the Dem candidate was telling the working class that any issues with the economy happening, are just figments of their imagination, and they should be happy in this economy.

              Meanwhile, evictions are up, homelessness is up, pay is stagnant, and cost of everything is through the roof.

              It’s literally so bad, we are starting to see the working class kill CEOs.

              So… they lost because they lost sight of the voters, and then rejected guidance to get back on course.

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      The exact same thing would have happened under Harris. Remember, Harris is a strong ally of Israel…

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      Biden was just fueling the genocide and would have continued to do so for all eternity, while having Blinken pay some lip service.

      Pretending like Biden or Harris would have done anything different is laughable. Also they gave Trump the argument to ethnically cleanse Gaza based on the destruction that was done with American weapons consistently given to Israel to do exactly that. The end goal for Biden and Harris was equally to extend the Israeli control as a means to extend the US empire.

      Now the Democrats might be inclined to change their position and get rid of the Zionist elites that are poisoning the party since decades. Or they just go around claiming how their genocide was a better final solution than Trumps ethnic cleansing, emphasizing again, that human lifes of people outside the US are worthless to both sides of the empires political coin.

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        Pretending like Biden or Harris would have done anything different is laughable

        No, just your opinions. Tell me, if Biden wouldn’t have done anything different, why did trump have to announce a change in what we planned on doing?

        These hot takes are so laughably uninformed that it’s no wonder trump won.

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          How many thousands of Palestinians died under bidens administration? How many billions in weapons were sold? This is not laughable in the slightest.

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          Biden had an entire year to stop sending weapons to Israel. Harris had three months to take a stance publicly that differed from Bidens. Instead she blocked a group advocating for Palestinian rights at the DNC, while Israeli groups were allowed to speak. And the Palestinian group wanted to even tell people to vote for Harris despite everything. She blocked people advocating for electing her, because those people didnt share her support for Israel.

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      If only more people voted for the Democrats, Americans would have free health care, better education, and they wouldn’t be owned by corporations. If only enough people voted for the Democrats, Americans would be living in a much better place. Just like when Democrats where in power the last times, it was utopia. Obama even closed Guantanamo!

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        If only enough people voted for the Democrats, Americans would be living in a much better place.

        I mean, literally, yes. Most of the EOs that Trump has signed won’t be felt by the majority but trans kids are about to be bullied and committing suicide in much greater numbers, Latino Americans are going to have their families torn apart or be deported along with their family, careers are about to be ended for thousands, cancer research is getting paused, medications are going to get more expensive, progress on carbon reduction is grinding to a halt and probably reversing, and Federal aid is going to be tied to how much Presidential ass you’re willing to kiss. And this is with barely any legislation being passed! It would have been 10x better keeping the status quo!

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          Why wasn’t that done when Biden was in office?

          Why didn’t the dems get rid of the filibuster when they created the rules package for the Senate on like day 1 of Biden’s term?

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        You are confusing in power with absolute power. It’s a very common issue with dishonest people.

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          Don’t forget stupid fuckwads who never learned what Congress is or how the government works on even the most basic fucking level!

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          Of course. With all the power, Democrats would have stopped financing genocide. Only with absolute power can the Democrats improve public transit, provide clean water, lower the cost of groceries, tax the rich and generally fight for the people they are supposed to represent. Without absolute power, they have been forced to continue financing genocide and ignore the problems of the common people.

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        Remember when Biden shut down the concentration camps on our southern border during his term?

        Oh right, he didnt.

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      Keep blaming and crying about the voters neoliberal corporate-whorism failed to motivate!

      It’s worked out well for you so far…

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        Sorry the prospect of keeping a literal fascist out of the most powerful office in the world didn’t get you off, I guess? Sorry you don’t understand the difference between neoliberalism and fascism? Sorry you prefer fascism? I don’t really understand what y’all’s hangup was.

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        This is a democratic republic, or well it was… The people (the demos in democratic), absolutely deserve much of the blame for how they voted.

        A functioning adult brain shouldn’t need to be “motivated” to do what is obviously the better choice for them, their family, the country and the world. And yet here we are, a land of endless useful idiots, thinking they are making a stand while doing exactly what empowers the corporate oligarchy the most.

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          So is genocider A or genocider B the right choice?

          Do you prefer a red genocide or a blue genocide?

          Or will you admit it’s just Red v Blue for you, rather than principled choices?

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            My principled choice says fuck Netenyahu, fuck Hamas, fuck Donald Trump, fuck Yahweh, fuck Mohammah, and fuck useful, easily manipulated idiots who desperately search for a new excuse every 4 years to let perfection be the enemy of progress.

            Congratulations, you’re about to see what real scorched earth genocide and mass relocation looks like.

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                Because it was the Biden administration who rejected like 100 ceasefire proposals, not Hamas…? 🤣

                We can continue this discussion in 4 years. You ain’t seen shit yet.

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                  100? Nah, they did veto like 8 resolutions for a ceasefire in the UN, though.

                  And supplied all if the weapons used to genocide Palestinians.

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    If we’re going to give up and let Israel take the land, we should at least have the decency to bring all the Palestinians over to the US and set them up with enough resources to start over. Unfortunately, the bloodthirsty morons who seem to make all the decisions won’t allow that.

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    So he supports the Endlösung of the Palestinian question? Just like Netanyahu and his right-wingers?

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    Yes. The guy who intends to “clean out” the United States as well. It really smacks of a familiar thing…can’t really put my finger on it though… certainly must have happened in the past hundred years or so…

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    The way he can’t even say who’s responsible for Gaza looking like a “demolition site”.