Most Americans that watched it don’t think he did anything wrong, either. Even a lot of conservatives think Trump’s behavior was disgraceful.
Nah bud, you good. It’s the other jackasses in the meeting that were in the wrong.
Why is this the question people are asking? It’s a classic example of Republicans setting the narrative. I saw on a certain oft-promoted news aggregator that all the Republican news sources use the same words in reaction to the oval office event - “Zelensky refuses to apologize…”
So now that’s what the mainstream media talks about, instead of the worrying Trump-Vance-Musk turn towards Russia.
It was an ambush. The only thing he did wrong was walk into it. Have to give him credit for being willing to take risks to save his country.
That is who he is…
The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride
As an American I think he did…. He forgot to slap Trump in the face.
I understand why he didn’t, obviously, but the whole time I watched that happen all I could think was, “PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE”
I assume he must have gone back to his hotel room afterwards and just screamed in frustration for a solid hour. Or had a workout of with a punching bag with Trump and Vance’s faces on them.
I’m truly astounded at the patience he showed during that event. It was infuriating to watch.
Same.
We all know liberals would fall all over themselves to try and beat right wingers to the virtue signaling of insisting how bad they think it is.
damn truest shit ever said
Well, he did try to play chess with a pigeon. I don’t know what he was expecting, but at least he made Trump seem like an asshole and a fool.
He made Trump seem like an asshole yes. And that’s why he’s cooked . Trump is not going to support Ukraine going forward because Zelensky made him look bad. You have to appeal to the child to get anything from him.
Giving into a toddler who is throwing a tantrum, is not how you get what you want from a toddler .
It’s how you get more tantrums.
He cannot get anything from Trump no matter what happens. Trump is beholden to Putin.
There was no amount of flattery that was going to get Trump to oppose his Russian masters. The best thing Zelenskyy can do is make it clear that Trump is foolish for not backing Ukraine. It wins him points with European leaders who get to choose between backing Zelenskyy or following a fool and it increases the odds of getting a more favorable outlook from the US in 2-4 years as political tides shift (assuming the US continues holding a semblance of fair elections in the next 2-4 years)
Nah, it’s too late for that. Other leaders are starting learn this too. You keep giving in so Trump asks for more, and then more. Nothing will ever be enough for him.
This is no longer about swallowing your pride and appealing to his enormous ego.
As an American, he did not. I’m sure he felt like he was in bizarro land where he acts perfectly reasonable and everyone around him is fucking crazy. That’s how all us non-MAGAts feel, too.
Yeah, I though Zelensky did a decent job of managing his emotions. Most of us would have popped Trump in the mouth before that had ended. (And WTF was up with that guy asking if Zelensky owned a suit? That should have been an automatic throat punch.) Being an American is embarrassing right now. My apologies to the rest of the world. We’re a dumpster fire.
The answer to the suit question should have been like, “Russia destroyed my suit and Ukraine’s tailors are too busy sewing up wounds to spend time making a new one.”
I think his actual reply was even better
It was SO GOOD! “I’ll wear a costume after the war, maybe something like yours”
It’s funny because I’m sure he didn’t mean to be as snarky in that comment. “Costume” means “suit” in Ukrainian and Russian.
“Maybe something cheaper”
Subtle dig, I’m sure it went way over their head.
His attire has been a talking point of the pro-Russians for quite some time. It’s supposed to denote a lack of respect or something.
Yeah, just like they would complain if he did wear a suit. There’s just no winning with these guys.
Every foreign dignitary who visits the White House should wear a tan suit just for fun.
that dude is marjorie taylor green’s husband
That really does explain a lot. People (and I use that term very loosely here) like that should be launched into orbit and fucking left there to think about what they’ve done.
He didn’t. He was the only adult there.
B-b-but he didn’t wear a SUIT! The horror.
100%. I wish I ever could have been as proud of any of our presidents.
Reminded me of a typical argument between me and my delusional, selfish, narcissistic parents as a teenager. Saying anything at all would make them throw a tantrum.
Trump and Vance did the same type of thing: expected complete fealty after they had voted against Ukraine to join NATO and demanded respect when the previous administration were the ones that did most of the work beforehand. Getting pouty and shouty when he didn’t agree to their shitty “deal.” Brought up meaningless arguments about “respect” and not saying thank you when he had multiple times. Utter madness.
This was about putting on a show for their constituents and they would have done the same if he went in there kissing their asses. But he refused to play the game which made them angrier.
Vance bringing up the conspiracy theory shit about Zelensky putting on a show for visitors as if he was exaggerating is what really set me off. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together saw right through this bullshit song and dance.
Yeah it was just bizarre… the “stupid president” helped you… so you need to thank me.
He did nothing wrong. Trump and Vance were the ones who threw a tantrum because zelensky didn’t immediately agree to their plan.
And they were pissed he didn’t wear a suit 🤣
The only situation where Kash Patel would have had useful input!
WTF was up with that guy?
That guy is Brian Glenn. He’s a host on “Real America’s Voice”, a right-wing to far-right station and the boyfriend of Marjory Taylor Greene.
The attending “press” has been pre-selected and it’s not a stretch to assume that these people know what’s expected of them. The narrative is that not wearing a suit is a sign of disrespect. When Trump greeted Zelensky in the beginning he also made a remark about it.
Since I don’t watch I can only presume that they give equal time to Musk’s disrespect then, too.
Exactly, it was all a setup to push the narrative that Ukraine doesn’t respect the Oval Office. Same reason Couch Fucker Vance kept saying “you haven’t even said thank you once.”
Which is a blatant lie because Zelensky has thanked the US many times… But that was under Biden.
They wanted more thank you and possibly a genuflection.
They want it to considered purely as a business deal. Any reminder that Zelenskyy is leading a country that’s fighting a war to defend their country from a dictator doesn’t fit their narrative.
He did nothing wrong. Trump and Vance are comprised cowards. I’m sorry Ukraine.
He stood up to American traitors better than any American ever did.
There was one. He was 18 or 19. Over the summer.
I hope America makes a movie about him, with dramatic swelling music with a silouhette of him taking aim in the trailer.
A White House official told Axios that Zelensky’s interview on Fox was insufficient. “He keeps insisting on security guarantees on this economic deal, and we’ve made clear that won’t be part of this,” the official said.
Yeah doh! If we give you actually security guarantees how are we going to let Putin invite you again next year?
You can’t have everything zelenski! We can, and we want, but you can’t.
Fat Donnie did this to make Zelenskyy look bad (LOL) and shame him into complying on the “art of the steal” by a bully. It was also a way to make a public excuse for not supporting Ukraine and siding with his actual employer, puny putin.
Imagine if Reagan could have lived long enough to see a republican steal his “make america great again” slogan, turn it into a cult, and then use that cult to be submissive to russia.
Takes a real shitbag to make Reagan look like the better option.
And I never thought I would se a President dumber than W. But the orange cancer sure blew that one away by 10,000,000 miles.
W. was certainly not the brightest bulb and unfortunately easily swayed by truly evil people around him (like Cheney), but I think as a president he always did what he thought was best for the country and its people. Trump only ever does what he thinks is best for himself.
Why the hell do liberals rehabilitate Bush like this? He invaded sovereign countries and began a 20 year long occupation, hundreds of thousands were killed in his wars, he also stripped away out civil liberties and conducted mass surveillance, indefinite detention without trial, and torture.
“Always did what he thought was best for the people” what an absolute load of horseshit. I guess it just so happened that what he thought was best was to ship people off to kill and be killed while he and his buddies got rich off it.
Like goddamn, what do I gotta do to get people carrying water for me like that? “Yeah I robbed a convenience store at gunpoint, which was bad, but you have to acknowledge that I was doing what I believed was best for the American people. It’s not my fault, it’s just all the people I chose to surround myself with who led me to do it.” Where is your hate? You should want that motherfucker to hang!
I can always summarize my take on GW with that one time they ran a TV ad on how they added 2 new democracies to the olympic roster (I saw this fucking BS on CNN Europe live cca 2004 and it managed to make me fume even as a fairly apolitical young adult who then lived outside the US):
Besides getting a huge whipping from the International Olympic Committee for using the Olympics for political ads being illegal (so incredibly on brand) this also aged like milk.
Holy shit, I never saw that. If I hadn’t lived through it I’d think that ad was a parody. The fucking smugness of it, I stg, Bush makes me hope Hell is real.
Nah he started the Iraq invasion because dubya has daddy issues and wanted to stick it to his old man. Fuck outta here with “he did what he thought was best for the country”
