Summary
Wisconsin resident Bradley Bartell voted for Trump’s promise to crack down on “criminal illegal immigrants,” but now his Peruvian wife Camila Muñoz has been detained by ICE.
Muñoz, from Peru, overstayed her visa but had applied for legal residency. On their way home from a honeymoon, immigration agents detained her at a Puerto Rico airport.
Despite no criminal record, she remains in a Louisiana detention center. Her case reflects ICE’s broadened enforcement that now includes documented immigrants.
Bartell, once supportive of stricter immigration policies, now questions the impact on families like his own.
I hate how many people are this fucking stupid.
hateful*
Maybe a controversial opinion but I don’t think anyone belongs in an ICE detention centre regardless of who their spouse voted for. I don’t think this is funny.
Haven’t you heard? Empathy is a sin and the weakness of Western civilization. It’s what a true conservative would want.
Empathy and goodwill aren’t infinite, like any resource they can be depleted. I really cannot muster enough fucks to give about someone who voted for that turd a second time. Feel sorry for his wife, though.
Yeah, I agree, it’s not funny, it’s a fucking nightmare, and I hate that so many people are dumb enough to believe the restrained version of Trump the media sells and not the words coming out of Trump’s idiot mouth.
As someone who doesn’t live in tge USA, I don’t feel empathy for everyone who voted for Trump or didn’t vote at all because eQuAl SiDeS bAd. Project 2025 and deportation plans were known before the elections so you brought this down on yourself. It really sucks for everyone else though, within USA and its (former) allied countries.
Who am I to prevent a fash from locking up a fash?
I reckon, “first they came” would be applicable here, however the realist in me says they continied to go and lock up non fascists
“They’re hurting the wrong people!!”
I’d feel sorry for the guy but that would be both insincere and incorrect. After all, he got exactly what he voted for.
I understand not feeling bad for THE GUY. But you should absolutely feel bad for his wife. Moral values should not be conditional. I could have an undocumented immigrant cus me out and say “TRUMP IS AWESOME” and I’d still not want that guy to be deported for no reason. I know its a slightly satisfying “you got what was coming to you”. But being leftist in any sense means staying true to your convictions and not falling for this type of reactionary response no matter how satisfying it is.
I’ve used this as an example before.
I want even KKK members to get free healthcare in the US. Because as much as I hate KKK members my leftist principles tell me that right wing reactionary ideas thrive in poor material conditions. Conditions on these fundamental leftist principles will not stand. The “got what was coming to them” response is absolutely a reactionary idea. These are conditions of revenge and not conditions of justice. They have no place in left wing principles.
You can absolutely enjoy the slight sense of irony and satisfaction from this snippet. But, at the end of the day, you’re not saying anything different then “let’s deport these immigrants because X” just like the right is. Its the same as saying “these brown people deserve to be treated badly because they didn’t vote for Harris”. It’s insane reactionary ideas masking itself as leftism.
Good. I hope he’s fucking devastated. I hope his entire world is fucking crumbling. Everyone with three working braincells or more knew exactly what would happen if we let the christonationalist fascists have total control of the government, and pieces of subhuman trash like him willingly made it happen.
These shithead said out loud what they would do - so he is mad because he voted for what trump said he would do. What a dipshit. Sorry, you don’t get s Oops this time.
I hate that as americans were so stupid we have to learn like this because we can’t hear people out before it gets to this point.
Well that’s what decades of destroying education will do
Like I believe one of your founding father Benjamin Franklin said: “Experience holds a dear school, but fools learn from no other”
He would have been pretty nonplussed by our current batch of fools who can’t even learn from experience.
I had a Scottish chick in Edinburgh tell me that I was the only American she enjoyed talking to. I didn’t realize just how poorly we were viewed overseas until I went myself.
The amazing thing about this is that Americans who travel are on average a lot more open-minded and intelligent than those who don’t. And we still make a terrible impression.
Guess you can’t take the murica out of an american
I didn’t realize just how poorly we were viewed overseas
We are poorly viewed by intelligent beings here too.
People here don’t even think. I feel like most people in my life barely understand they exist. They are like walking products that work for the evil that created them.
Haha, you think they learn.
they just refuse to listen.
“but… it shouldn’t have affected ME, you know?”
Right because my situation is special. I’m special and these laws don’t apply to me. @shithead I’ve voted for you 3 times, please help rectify this mistake.
How ironic would it be if he pressured his illegal immigrant wife to vote for t too 🤔
Another dumbass who still hasn’t figured it out.
You shouldn’t have to have it happen to you before you realize the impact it has on others, but that’s what we’re up against.
From the article I don’t get a sense he is at all questioning his vote. He feels his case is special and the government messed up. For him. She’s vetted, so it’s ok. The others deserve what they are getting.
Yep. Brackets by me:
[Him and his wife] have been thinking a lot about [his] vote for Trump.
“I knew they were cracking down,” he said. “I guess I didn’t know how it was going down.”
He imagined the administration would target people who snuck over the border and weren’t vetted
But his wife, “they know who she is and where she came from,” he said. “They need to get the vetting done and not keep these people locked up. It doesn’t make any sense.”
The dumbfuck doesn’t show any contrition at all, he just says oops I didn’t know. When this topic came up in the interview, he didn’t admit any regret or that he put himself (and his wife) in this position - he just says that the government is wrong to do this to him/his wife, and that they should go after other illegals instead. What a piece of shit.
He’s probably just playing CoD while his wife shivers in a cell. His main grievance is that regular sandwiches aren’t arriving.
I bet he’s playing cello suite no.1 in G major
lol. Where is this from?
An article from just after Jan 6th happened. My phone says I saved it on Jan 8th, 2021, so it was literally a day or two after.
Empathy takes a little thought and many people just can’t think.
I once saw it described on Lemmy that Conservatives have sympathy but no empathy.
I saw a Ted talk that talked about inability to entertain the hypothetical. Some people are simply unable to entertain the hypothetical "what if my wife is deported’, they can only recognize it when it becomes "my wife is being deported ".
I’ve heard that some people have difficulty with hypotheticals in general. not just on political issues, like it’s a surprisingly common cognitive issue.
Link, please?
And they confuse the two and think they’re being empathetic. I’m not even sure they have sympathy anymore.
My sister in law’s family are all El Salvadorian refugees in Houston. Everyone under 50 are citizens now, but las abuelitas are not. They were all massive Trump supporters hoping that he will kick out “all the illegals” but are convinced that their grandparents wont be deported, and that they might be able to bring in more family.
Juxtapose that to my family, where my English mom was naturalized 20 years ago after coming to the US on a green card. My family have always been pro-immigrarion since we would never dream of denying someone the same opportunity that we were given. We are all ao flabbergasted by it, but they all love Bukele as well, so i guess it shouldn’t be a surprise.
Another fucking idiot whose ignorance helped inflict Trump on us.
Heey I didn’t think they’d eat my face
FAFO
Hold the fuck up, she was already OVERSTAYING her Visa and these idiots thought it was a good idea to TRAVEL? Nah they both got what they fucking deserved. It doesn’t matter that you’re awaiting your residency application, you have already passed your exit date, why the fuck would you be traveling for your honeymoon
Edit: I’m literally standing in the airport awaiting my fiance’s return from Mexico right now, this shit makes all the people who actually read their paperwork and follow the rules, look bad when they get lumped in with these idiots.
Apparently she got stuck in the States when all the borders were closed during the pandemic, which seems pretty reasonable grounds for overstaying.
But - she didn’t leave when the borders re-opened. She had fallen in love and at some point she filed paperwork to normalize her status - though they’re pretty coy about when they filled the papers, so I suspect that was done after the borders re-opened and she should have left.
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I’m also going to point out what I haven’t seen in any of the comments so far which is that, with ICE being pressured to increase the number of deportations, they’re opting to go for low-hanging fruit. Unfortunately, that doesn’t mean raiding places that they’ve known for decades are hiring illegal immigrants, arresting and prosecuting and imprisoning the owners and managers.
It does mean that they’re hanging out at at least some airports, and it sounds like they’re running passenger lists ahead of time (because they knew exactly who to approach). I mean, why to go the trouble of driving out to some farm or factory in the middle of nowhere, trying to chase down people who know the area better than you ever will, when you can sit at a comfy air-conditioned desk and only bother to get up when the computer lets you know that your “target” is trying to check in for their flight?
Agree completely, and to me when people like these two decide to do whatever they want because their love is “special”, it shows ICE that hey, this is way easier and they’ll focus more on these situations. This puts all the completely legal and above board immigrants in danger now.
Nobody deserves to be punished for arbitrary political boundaries.
That being said, it’s satisfying to see the people supporting those boundaries get punished by them.
I agree, but she and anyone else in her position have SIGNED paperwork in agreement with the terms that by X date you will leave the country. What the fuck else are we supposed to do if we just shrug and say oh well it’s just a date. These two were blatantly attempting to trounce the laws and just do whatever they wanted.
Being in an international relationship, I’m sure you understand how tricky and stressful some of these paperwork matters can be. Just deciding what type of visa to apply for when you are in a relationship can be taxing.
You are right that for the majority of people, the bureaucracy works as long as you file things correctly. They should have done it right from the start. But there are a lot of personal situations that can complicate it.
As an aside, it is mind boggling to me the number of immigrants who wholeheartedly support Trump, even with family ties that are endangered by his actions.
Warning, essay.
Many many reasons for the immigrants who support him all of them bad reasons obviously.
-White-Passing Hispanics, especially CDMX, Monterey within Mexico and outside, Argentina, Colombia, Brazil (obv. not the darker skinned Brazilians) etc. that can be seen by whites as “the good ones”, and by the Hispanics themselves. These people, the ones who make a point to embrace the “whiteness” of their bloodline, allowing them to identify more with their European colonizers rather than the darker skinned natives, or even Mestizos (mixed race, though at this point most people are decedents of decedents of decedents of the original Mestizos). Their tie to that European “whiteness” somehow makes them better than those darker than themselves.
-Machismo culture being deeply ingrained in many families causing them to “admire” a “strong” man. Not a single macho man is actually macho (except for Macho Man) under Machismo, it is a warped idea of what constitutes macho that idolizes the men and puts them up front as the default lead of any situation especially family just because they are male.
-There is unfortunately, a STRONG sense of “I got mine” or pulling the ladder up behind you among many many immigrants, Hispanic or otherwise. This goes along with the sense of “well we did it so it can’t be that hard”, they fail to realize that yes, it may have been easy for you but for others it is not.
-Last I can think of, the kids and grand-kids of immigrants. Many did not get taught about the struggles of their ancestors, or were taught and don’t care, sometimes you just get a bad egg kids who doesn’t give a shit about his heritage. Sometimes this comes from their feeling like an “other” when living in an area with a Hispanic minority. This can cause them to seek out belonging and feel resentment to their ancestors and heritage for bringing them there, for making them into a minority and grow some unhealthy selfhate, and then falling in with like minds who also hate the “others” making them into “one of the good ones.” (ive types this term too many times today)
Exactly. Did my dude think he could Karen his way through Customs? Papers have to be in order with Biden or Trump, now it’s worse though because they detain your ass.
You don’t go through customs to go to Puerto Rico, since it’s a US territory.
You still need to identify yourself to get on the plane. If your visa is flagged as expired, they are going to know and snatch you up
Right, but I’m just saying this is no different from flying from Minneapolis to Denver. Someone saying “well of course ICE was gonna snatch you up, you set foot in an airport” is kind of crazy.
I’m not defending ICE scooping up people. If you know that your visa is expired, you should assume that you are on their radar. Airlines verify all their passengers with TSA to ensure that no one is on a no fly list or q watchlist. Airports are secured locations where your identity has to be verified. Literally all it takes is for ICE to see you have signed up for a flight next Friday, and they can have an agent waiting for you at your gate.
Hold up. Is ICE “scooping” or “snatching”?
Not really, you are knowingly living here with an expired visa, you had ample opportunity to plan, reapply, change status, and many other options, they just…didn’t. So, as a non citizen with an expired visa they no longer have freedom of movement (as a visa grants you specifically, freedom of movement within the borders of the United States and it’s Territories)
On their way home from a honeymoon, immigration agents detained her at a Puerto Rico airport.
Oh are you saying I misread that? Like they honeymooned outside the US and were entering the US through Puerto Rico? That would make more sense.
That’s how it reads to me, yeah.
Just reread it, sounds like that’s not the case.
But last month, on their way home to Wisconsin after honeymooning in Puerto Rico, an immigration agent pulled Muñoz aside in the airport.
Guess I missed that. Never even left the country, damn.
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