• cygnus@lemmy.ca
    91·
    3 days ago

    I stopped reading when the “journalist” asked this question:

    How did you end up starting a decentralized social platform?

    How little research must one do to credulously repeat that PR talking point for a platform that is in fact completely centralized?

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
      46·
      3 days ago

      I stopped at the bit about revolutionizing communication online. That revolution happened over a decade ago with the rise of social media. More social media is just more, not new.

    • XNX@slrpnk.net
      181·
      2 days ago

      Yall are so annoying. Bluesky is 2 years old. Mastodon is like 8 years old. Also theres already another instance and relays running on a raspberry pi.

      Yall have such a hate boner you dont even do research. No wonder normies will never use mastodon or lemmy yall are insufferable and mastodon is still just a copy of twitter with no new features

      Edit: to anyone curious about keeping up with bluesky’s progress in decentralization and all the other stuff theyre working on here’s a good blog https://fediversereport.com/

      • Michael@slrpnk.netEnglish
        47·
        3 days ago

        We don’t have a hate boner. We see “decentralized” being thrown around like a buzzword and we know that it really doesn’t apply to their platform.

        It’s like the Libertarian Party taking the word “libertarian” and flipping the meaning to describe their ideology.

        It’s a distortion of the spirit of the word and actual libertarians obviously want to clear up the misunderstandings that result from being introduced to the concept of libertarianism through such a group.

        • Detun3d@lemm.ee
          7·
          3 days ago

          Someone clearly has never used context menus or opened their account settings in Mastodon.

      • Lime Buzz (fae/she)@beehaw.orgEnglish
        4·
        2 days ago

        Oh, when did twitter add CWs that required a clickthrough? The ability to set your own character limit? When did it remove its algorithms to show you posts it considered relevant? When did it become open source? When did it become decentralised and federated? When did it start working on end-to-end encryption for DMs? When did it allow for built in themes?

        • XNX@slrpnk.net
          21·
          2 days ago

          Lmao cant tell if youre trolling because all of that is already possible or being worked on (assuming you meant bluesky idk why you wrote twitter)

      • Lucy :3@feddit.org
        16·
        3 days ago

        Reddit is now decentralized, I just set up nginx to cache it🤡

        Oh wait, PDS’ don’t even cache lol

      • cygnus@lemmy.ca
        16·
        3 days ago

        Also theres already another instance and relays running on a raspberry pi.

        Oh yeah? I can join that second server right now and communicate with folks on the main server?

      • Melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        4·
        2 days ago

        Do you have a link to people talking about running a relay on a raspberry pi? I find it hard to believe that’s possible. A PDS, sure, but a relay requires multiple terabytes of storage alone and plenty of bandwidth/CPU/RAM that I just don’t see a raspberry pi being able to support.

        I’d be curious to hear about any progress on setting up new relays though.

    • samus12345@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      2 days ago

      “Egad, Jay, brilliant! Oh, wait, no, it’s just going to become enshittified like every other centralized platform.”

  • heavyboots@lemmy.mlEnglish
    36·
    3 days ago

    What I don’t get is why anyone would ever choose commercial social media again given there are Activity Pub clones for practically everything now, where you aren’t the product. So many people learned nothing from the ongoing Twitter debacle and the zillion Facebook privacy scandals apparently.

    • tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de
      24·
      3 days ago

      Try using Mastodon and Bluesky at the same time. Bluesky is a twitter clone and perfect replacement. Mastodon is an excellent micro-blogging platform, but has none of the features people actually liked about twitter. People love recommendation algorithms and quote tweet dunking. That’s the core of what it’s all about. Mastodon is glorified RSS, which is great if you miss those days.

      • Kache@lemm.ee
        11·
        3 days ago

        Perhaps open federated systems should have recommendation algos too, just optional and open

        • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
          2·
          2 days ago

          Doesn’t PeerTube already do this? Maybe I am mistaken.

          In any case there’s nothing inherently preventing this, just because a platform gets some of its data from other servers instead of its own users, it doesn’t mean it can’t use that data to run a recommendation algorithm.

          I don’t want it though. I prefer choosing for myself what sources I want to get information from instead of getting any of it recommended by the platform operator.

      • madjo@feddit.nl
        5·
        3 days ago

        Follow a few interesting hashtags and you have your recommendation algorithm, but one you’re in control of.

        • Scrollone@feddit.it
          4·
          2 days ago

          Have you seen the average person recently? They like to be spoon-fed content in a passive way. Look at Instagram Reels or TikTok.

          Mastodon is fine for geeks like us, but the average Joe would find it dead and boring. Bluesky managed to fill that hole left by Twitter.

          • madjo@feddit.nl
            2·
            2 days ago

            In that case, I wish the “average person” a lot of fun on corporate internet. Meanwhile we’ll have more fun on the federated indie internet.

      • heavyboots@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        2 days ago

        Honestly I have used Blue Sky and Mastodon and Mastodon feels a lot more elegant to me, personally.

    • Melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      7·
      2 days ago

      Fediverse software tends to be kind of hostile to convenience features people have grown accustomed to. Recommendation algorithms, for example. Lemmy is on the cutting edge for having a “Hot” sort.

      I know Mastodon has historically been pretty hostile to even more basic things like being able to search posts.

      I get why they think like that, and I honestly agree with some of it, but it inevitably creates a culture shock for outsiders coming from corpo media. I think that plus the network effect means the fediverse will always be kind of niche.

      • Andy@slrpnk.net
        9·
        3 days ago

        I thought it was built on activity pub.

        I’m gonna go over to my Mastodon account and try to reply to you. One sec.

      • mishmash@mastodon.nz
        6·
        3 days ago

        @60d @heavyboots It is supposed to be but I’m not seeing any mastodon replies showing up on Lemmy yet so I thought I’d give it a try. The fact that I can see your reply from mastodon and reply to it proves something 🤔

        • 60d@lemmy.caEnglish
          5·
          3 days ago

          Cool! Yea I’m not on Mastodon. Replying on Lemmy via Voyager.

          • Mishmash2000@lemmy.nz
            4·
            3 days ago

            Wow, the delay is real LOL I replied from Mastodon but it hasn’t shown up here so I’m replying from vger.app and will see what gets here from where and when :-D It’s cool that it’s possible though, even if it’s not super practical.

            EDIT to say that this comment showed up on Mastodon basically immediately but my Mastodon comment still hasn’t shown up here 1-2 hours later?! Weird??

          • mishmash@mastodon.nz
            3·
            3 days ago

            @60d Nice, so it definitely works but there is quite a delay so not perfect. But here I am replying again from mastodon after checking that it did finally show up on Lemmy!

        • sqgl@beehaw.org
          3·
          3 days ago

          Don’t you have to follow someone on Mastodon to see what they post? Are you already following 60d?

          • MrPistachios@lemmy.todayEnglish
            1·
            22 hours ago

            the way I do it is open up lemmy on the browser and you can copy the fediverse link and paste it into mastodon to search for it, but federation is a whole thing so not everyone who sees something from their instance sees everything from every instance depending on who is federated with who, so with mastodon and lemmy it gets a little weird. Ive seen some tools that help pull more content that otherwise your instance wouldnt automatically get itself so that you can see more replies etc but I havent messed around with that

            • sqgl@beehaw.org
              1·
              17 hours ago

              Thanks. I use the app Boost for Lemmy but do not have that icon you circled.

              I find you on Mastodon as Mr Pistachios but zero posts and replies are show. That is your deliberate setting?

          • mishmash@mastodon.nz
            3·
            2 days ago

            @sqgl Apparently not. I just searched for their username on Mastodon, saw their comment and hit reply. I noticed later that Mastodon does have a note below the comments saying something along the lines of All replies might not display, go to Lenny to see more.
            EDIT to add that this time, this reply from Mastodon showed up immediately on Lemmy 😂

      • Fully Automated! Solarpunk RPG@mstdn.games
        3·
        3 days ago

        @60d @heavyboots
        Kinda? This is @andrewrgross tooting at you from Mastodon, but I had to search for your address to find this comment. And I couldn’t find it from a different server. So… yes, but actually no.

        Still, I find it fascinating the degree that they’re connected. I’m gonna go see if this showed up on Lemmy now.

          • Fully Automated! Solarpunk RPG@mstdn.games
            1·
            2 days ago

            @60d
            Yes!

            I just “favorited” it and clicked reply. I believe the reply shows up as a reply, and the favoriting action looks like an upvote.

            It’s kinda silly. Like… is this useful? Unclear. But the ability for me to interact across two very different platforms seems like a technical achievement to me.

              • 60d@lemmy.caEnglish
                1·
                2 days ago

                Yup, I can see the screenshot and the up votes, so it was already more integrated than I thought. Cool!

                There really are dozens of us!

                • Hedgeknife@beehaw.orgEnglish
                  2·
                  18 hours ago

                  This thread exchange made me smile, and I had to show it to one of my partners while giving the rundown about Activity Pub.

                  This shit is so neat.

  • Pete Hahnloser@beehaw.orgEnglish
    32·
    3 days ago

    All the lefties fled to Bluesky following Elon Musk’s Twitter takeover. But CEO Jay Graber says the app is for everyone—and could revolutionize how people communicate online.

    … but probably not.

  • T (they/she)@beehaw.org
    61·
    2 days ago

    Y’all are forgetting how hostile Mastodon users can be. Personally I feel a little bit scared of posting anything there.

  • AntelopeRoom@lemm.eeEnglish
    24·
    3 days ago

    You have mastodon, which actually made a federated social media platform, but which has failed to become mainstream, and Blue sky which became mainstream, but has failed to actually become federated.

    • Andy@slrpnk.net
      18·
      3 days ago

      Overall, I like the options today a lot better than what we had 10 or even 5 years ago.

      I am glad that both Mastodon and Blue Sky exist. I would like both to be successful.

    • Drew@sopuli.xyz
      4·
      2 days ago

      Mastodon didn’t eat the world, but it’s pretty successful. I have a great time over there.

  • 0xtero@beehaw.org
    18·
    3 days ago

    this is potentially the last social identity you have to create.

    …as long as you stay centralized on the central BlueSky instance. Once you move out to a (potential, future) federated server, that identity (and it’s super duper verification) doesn’t follow you.

  • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
    13·
    3 days ago

    Are they building an army with troops, tanks, aircraft and naval ships? Are they going to physically and violently take over the social internet?

  • jcarax@beehaw.org
    4·
    3 days ago

    Now if only I could get a meaningful reply to a bug preventing complete account deletion, either on github or from support. It seems they modeled their support structure on Google’s.

  • kbal@fedia.io
    4·
    3 days ago

    As I waited to meet with Pleroma-tan, the mascot and CEO of Pleroma, on the 5th floor of a walk-up in Alphabet City, I stared out at the city’s grimy streets and thought: Goddess forbid it. Stretching in every direction was a wall of dense, gray, tragically kaleidoscopic fog. And here I was about to interview the head of a social platform named after some kind of ancient Greek spiritual shit, or something. In camera, no less.

    Then something miraculous happened. Moments before the legendary fox-maiden showed up, the haze lifted. Avenue D glittered in the sun. I could see past shitposter.club’s rolling hills all the way to a emoji-capped peak, and the skies were, yup, completely and totally whirling.

    The 324-year-old executive cuts a different figure than most social media bosses. Earlier this year, after Mark Zuckleborg wore a shirt winking at his king-like status at Meta, Pleroma-tan was busy doing a 24-hour live stream of Mario Kart while delivering a lecture about the metaphysics of Stoicism and didn’t even hear about it.

    Indeed, she seems most energized when she’s talking about the unique infrastructures underlying social media and all reality as well as several smaller apps, the Fediverse, or Fedi, which is a spellbook that servers use to communicate. The open source protocols allow the sovereign nations of the digital mindspaces to fully integrate with one another as needed. Any number of apps with complementary or contradictory ideas about moderation or immoderation or teleportation can work in tandem — or not. It’s up to them.

    Pleroma-tan sees fedi as nothing less than the deocratized future of the social socials, and she emphasizes to me that developers are actively building new projects, here and elsewhere. In her dreams, these projects are as big, if not bigger, than Manhattan. Her ambitions might not be kinky, in other words, but they are fluffy. For now, call her an insurgent wonder worker — on whom the sun still shines.