Oh, but it absolutely is true. Microsoft really did decide to use React Native for parts of the Windows 11 Start menu. They’re also using it in sections of the Settings app.
The technical reality is even more absurd than the meme suggests. Microsoft is currently maintaining eight different UI frameworks for Windows, including their own .NET MAUI and WinUI 3 that were specifically built for their OS. Yet somehow they thought, “You know what this native operating system needs? A JavaScript framework originally designed for mobile apps.”
The CPU usage spikes aren’t necessarily from React Native itself being particularly heavyweight, but rather from the fundamental architectural choice of running a web-based rendering engine for core system UI elements. Every time you click Start, you’re essentially launching a mini web application just to display a menu.
What’s particularly galling is that Microsoft has acknowledged WinUI’s performance issues for years, to the point where they recommend their partners use the older WPF for performance-critical applications. So instead of fixing their native framework, they decided to add another layer of abstraction.
This is what happens when corporate development teams prioritize “developer experience” and trendy frameworks over system efficiency. Richard Stallman’s expression in that image perfectly captures the appropriate level of technical horror at this decision.
The old world built operating systems. The new world builds web apps that pretend to be operating systems.
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So, what I’m hearing you say is that MS should jam Copilot into every single app and every corner of the OS, to turn ordinary actions into LLM-driven ones? Because that’s what the users and the planet are clamouring for.
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🌈 sarcasm🌈
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Not to mention, windows 11’s hardware requirements creating needles e-waste
React Native doesn’t render using a browser instance, it’s native code (as the name implies), it’s actually a layer over WinUI 3 (Previous versions used WPF/UWP)
So it’s in the same boat as MAUI, which is also a layer over WinUI 3.
They didn’t say it was?
The CPU usage spikes aren’t necessarily from React Native itself being particularly heavyweight, but rather from the fundamental architectural choice of running a web-based rendering engine for core system UI elements.
I suppose i lack an understanding of whether React Native is a web based rendering engine or not but i figured they could also be referring to edge implementation in the same feature.
Like saying coffee isn’t hot because of the mug it’s in but the brewing machine it came out of.
Oh, the pedants have arrived. How delightful.
Yes, technically The_Decryptor is correct - React Native doesn’t literally spin up a Chromium instance like Electron does. It transpiles JavaScript into native calls. But they’re completely missing the forest for the trees here.
The fundamental architectural absurdity remains unchanged: Microsoft is using a JavaScript framework - originally designed for mobile apps - to render core operating system UI elements. Whether that JavaScript gets compiled to native calls or interpreted in a browser engine is irrelevant to the core criticism.
Your coffee analogy is actually closer to the mark than The_Decryptor realizes. The performance issues aren’t just about the final native calls - they’re about the entire abstraction stack Microsoft has built.
You’ve got JavaScript -> React Native bridge -> WinUI 3 -> whatever underlying Windows API calls. Each layer adds overhead, complexity, and potential failure points. The_Decryptor saying “it’s in the same boat as MAUI” isn’t the defense they think it is - MAUI has its own performance issues precisely because of similar abstraction layers.
This is exactly the kind of technical bike-shedding that lets corporations get away with architectural disasters. Everyone argues about implementation details while the Start menu still stutters when you click it.
The old world would have written the Start menu in C++ and called it a day. The new world creates dependency graphs that look like spider webs and then argues about whether the spider web is technically made of silk or polyester.
Heel yeah now that’s the clarification I’m here for! (Actually honest, cheers and thanks!)
Can’t they extract more data from a mobile set-up? I’m assuming that’s why they did it, they’re trying to take it to a phone experience for the corporations.
Nope.
The reason you do react native is because it’s easier to hire react native devs. Further, there’s a plethora of react native libraries that make it easier to make UXes above other UX frameworks.
The problem MS has is they have spent decades making platform locked UX frameworks because they were deathly afraid someone would use Linux instead of Windows.
Browser tech won because every major platform needs a browser and basically no organization was investing in multiplatform UX libraries. The likes of both Microsoft and Apple are openly hostile to such frameworks (QT and GTK come to mind).
The likes of both Microsoft and Apple are openly hostile to such frameworks (QT and GTK come to mind).
Funny thing, the OneDrive client app that ships with Windows, uses Qt
it needs to check your license and onedrive files for DRM compliance. every click
Holy fucking shit this isn’t just a meme, wtaf is going on at Microsoft.
The FOSS aficionados of Lemmy will probably be quick to tell me it’s always been shit, but this seems like a marked increase in bad decisions in the past 5-10 years
If you go back to an older version of Windows, it becomes clear how bad Microsoft has become. Try Windows 95 and you’ll be surprised how clean it is. How few distractions the OS is showing into your face. How tidy the menus are and they also give you little hints for the keyboard shortcuts
little hints for the keyboard shortcuts
FYI, those are called menu mnemonics. 😊
Menumonics, got it
Money eunuchs, got it
My new Inuits, got it.
Boycott Intuit for taxes, got it.
Menu harmonicas
Johnny Mnemonics?
Where’s the junkie dolphins?
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Hotkeys?
No, those are different, I believe.
I look forward to a glirchy vibe coded OS that uses embeded AI for everything, yet some people still manage to turn into a demented semi-functional ecosystem. Probably mostly run by seniors and computer illiterate consumers who just “want latest tech” for bragging rights.
glirchy
I love it when typos create new words that fit so well.
Any other good examples? Only one that immediately came to mind was “borken”, and even that usually gets used as “borked”
Borked comes from Robert Bork, who was nominated to the US Supreme Court by Ronald Reagan. He was rejected by the Senate, with many of the opinion that he and Reagan made a mistake.
Therefore Borked means fucked up.
Bork also borked US agriculture as a federal judge. He’s literally the reason that there has been so much consolidation because of his ruling that corporate consolidation is, by default, magically both good for customers and somehow doesn’t violate anti-trust laws. To be clear, both are lies and he clearly knew that at the time of the ruling but, like all right-wing judges, loved money and imposing his right-wing values from the bench more than his constitutionally defined duties.
Huh, TIL - it just works so naturally as a typo that I assumed it started there.
That’s the way it started for many of the tech people that I’ve known (typo).
Probably mostly run by seniors and computer illiterate consumers who just “want latest tech” for bragging rights.
My mum doesn’t use Microsoft because she cares about bragging rights, she uses it because it comes with Microsoft Word and all of that OneCloud sync junk, and she expects it to work so that she can do her work on it. We tried Ubuntu with her for a while, and Microsoft Word and Excel were the main pain points
They’ll think that it’s totally normal for computers to get confused about whether it should open an app or start playing a documentary about how that app went to shit. And probably still not pay attention to the documentaries that constantly start to the point where ms just gives up on figuring out how to block them and instead just charges people for the views.
And every small and large organization who uses enterprise software that doesn’t work on any other OS.
I look forward to a glirchy vibe coded OS that uses embeded AI for everything
That OS already exists. Why do with AI vibe-coding what Microsoft already got paying shitty programmers to make a slapshod OS?
- steals start menu back in time from apple
- crashes all over the place
Microsoft was ahead of its time.
This is functionally just the modern incarnation of Apple.
I used to do V Dash contracts for MSFT.
I knew that the Xbox 360 3RR, red ring of death problem… was so bad, that it actually would have been more cost effective for MSFT to give each buyer two 360s, instead of one, at the same price, because of how mismanaged the RMA process was… I knew a whole bunch of such details a almost a decade before the documentary on it came out.
Yay NDAs.
…
I was also there during the Windows 8 rollout.
Shut down basically everything for a month, because MSFT ‘dogfoods’ all their software: Every MSFT worker is beta/alpha testing all MSFT software all the time.
We spent weeks just, unable to have more than 3 windows open at a time, half the tools we used on a daily basis just not working.
We asked them to let us go back to 7, asked them if therr was some way to return to a 7 like GUI.
For weeks they said nope, impossible, Win 8 is an entirely new GUI, totally new OS, the Win 7 GUI isn’t there.
Oh then uh, weeks later, yeah, yeah it actually is there, you just have to follow this arcane override proceduren to see and use it.
… And then they just relented, put the non tablet UI fully back in, and called that Windows 8.1.
…
Windows is now layers upon layers upon decades of insane spaghetti code.
Even in Win 10, which was the last version I ever used… there are like 3 or 4 different eras of UI, for various settings menus, which people sometimes need to actually use… but they are considered legacy and thus not important.
Sometimes some newer era UI menus will have some of the options from some of the more buried stuff, but not all of them.
It is a gigantic fucking mess.
My favorite detail on the 3RL saga was when I took my second bricked unit to the local UPS store and they had a special bin for boxes that perfectly fit the 360 for shipping them back.
It was a mess.
After a certain point, a bunch of the 360s… they weren’t even like, ‘fixed’.
They just … not sure of which exactly, this level of detail was basically rumors and contradictions from my POV…
But they were either just physically putting old hard drives in new units, that or just digitally transferring their contents over to new units…
And then they’d tell people ‘yup, your unit has been refurbished’.
Like, ship of theseus not withstanding… not really fixing them, no, rofl.
And then this would lead to other problems like… ooops, we didn’t correctly re register your new 360’s serial number to your Live account, or we didn’t deregister the old one, and now you’re unjustly banned because MSFT tech support fucked up.
…
Assumingy memory is still reasonably sccurate:
Though it did vary somewhat from team to team, the internal nomenclature my team was using was… 3RR.
Like, 1RR, 2RR, 3RR, 4RR.
While all of them were quite problematic, 3RR was the one that… basically 100% of the time, no over the phone, web instructions, or even RMA … could actually fix that one.
For the other codes, following over the phone / web instructions could actually fix it sometimes, or an RMA repair could actually fix it with a speific hardware component replacement… that or it was a problem with the actual cable connecting to the TV, or the Xbox was like, jammed in a little nook with no airflow, and dudes were chain smoking blunts in their apartment, rofl.
I guess at this point it’s served its function. It’s made its money. Most people use mobile OSs/web nowadays anyway.
Oh how I miss the beautiful simplicity of Win95/98/NT UIs. It seems as our screens have become larger, they found more shit to put on them that I don’t want to see.
XP was the last good Windows.
I remember when people were saying this about Windows 95 because XP was so cursed
Everybody who did know what they were doing were using Windows 2000. That was a really, really good one.
The initial release was a bit rough but holy shit that OS was basically magic when it was dialed in. 100% my favorite.
Next to no resource usage. Reasonably secure (for its time - especially compared to other offerings) … and all settings were right in reach.
No bullshit, no fluff. It played the os role perfectly. Run your shit and get the hell out of your way. I still believe they killed it off early to force people to switch. It was murdering the new os in performance benchmarks.
In my experience people were saying that about 98SE after ME came out. People didn’t really have many issues with XP until the internet got really popular, and by then we had some nice service packs to help with the security nightmares of ye ole internet.
7 was decent too; I personally feel like 8 is where things went off the rails.
It was a known rule that every second version of Windows was good. 95 was good, 98SE was good, XP was good, 7 was good, but sadly they never released Windows 9, so we’re still waiting for the good version to come after 8.
I liked Vista and 8.1.
Vista was fucking terrible on launch, it got better towards the end it it’s life, much like 8.1 was to 8, but it was still a mess when 7 came out.
No problem, we don’t kinkshame here.
8.1 was ok. Fight me.
I’m with you. 8.1 was underrated. Yes the start screen wasn’t for everyone, but I didn’t mind it. It was the last native Windows start menu that would just find the apps you wanted to run. No Cortana, no web searches, no ads.
98 for me. Was good stuff.
… or less. For some reason they think desktop PC operating systems need to look like modern websites that are 90% whitespace.
Ugh true, it’s really the worst of both worlds somehow.
Boiled lobster effect at work.
If you bought a top of the line computer in 1990, it would barely have been able to run Win95. It wouldn’t have been able to run Win98 at all. Conversely, even with Win11 obsoleting a lot of systems due to TPM, there are plenty of 7 or 8 year old systems that will still work with it just fine.
Win95 was a leap in complexity compared to Win3.1/DOS 6. It replaced a sloppy, manual memory management system with a sloppy, automatic memory management system. It created the registry system as we know it, and instantly got a reputation as a fast way to ruin your system.
Do you like files named “big long name.txt”? Because sometimes that will come out as “biglon~1.txt” or something like that. It was still using the same shitty FAT system, now with 32-bit extensions that technically allowed long file names, but had to shorten them for compatibility with older stuff.
Win98 added Active Desktop, which made your desktop part of IE. This meant that every time IE crashed, your whole desktop went with it. Didn’t necessarily need to reboot to fix it, but it cleared out your background and a toolbar thing. In a way, it was an attempt to do what Electron apps do now, except with Microsoft proprietary web stuff.
Oh, and once it got USB support, it sucked ass. It had to reinstall drivers if you plugged your keyboard into a different USB port than you usually did.
Neither Win98 or ME would fix its memory management issues. That had to wait for Microsoft to get off their ass and release a home version of NT with WinXP (sorta Win2k, but that’s complicated). This memory management issue was the root cause of most BSODs at the time.
People hated Windows at the time for exactly the same fundamental reason they hate it today: it’s a clunky piece of shit. Win 7/8/10 was actually an attempt to simplify things in many ways, but Microsoft has fallen back to what they did before.
Thank you for the blast of sanity. Older versions of windows were pretty shit, and the newer versions offer tons of improvements right next to the fresh horrors they bring along.
Clean and usable. It’s not like Windows 3.1 or 68K-era Mac OS - or modern Windows - where everything’s flat. Undifferentiated. Lacking visual hierarchy, despite necessary functional hierarchy. Windows 95 managed relief shading and instant on-click skeumorphism in sixteen colors.
Nowadays they’re afraid to put text on buttons. The buttons don’t even depict things! You get a field of abstract squiggles, all with the same color and weight.
And it’s not like Windows 95 was built for experts. There’s a “click Start” animation on first boot, it offers a “Windows tour” on every boot, and everything sprouts a tooltip if you hesitate. They treated users like distracted idiots - unlike today, where they treat you like a child.
And the consistent ui.
I have a very feeble 25-year-old computer running Windows 2000 on a low-wattage CPU for embedded systems, and it feels far more responsive than Windows 11 on my desktop with an AMD 5950x. And I dual-boot Linux, which also feels much faster than Windows 11.
There did not yet exist channels of psyop slop that could pay MS to give them access to their users at their most vulnerable or it would have been in Vista.
psyslop was right there
After watching Brutalmoose use a native Windows 98 machine to play old 98 games for like 20 hours, I long for the simpler times of Wandows…
Oh man, thank you for this nostalgia trip your image sent me on!
A new coat of paint and a spotlight style search and that’s a mighty fine OS.
Though it does need a lot of work for security, they really underestimated the internet on that one.
The original design philosophy of the PC was as a plug-in-play device. Everything was designed to be friendly to new software, new hardware, and new integrations. The whole point was to give you a device that was a programmatic multi-tool.
The advent of computers as a financial vehicle radically changed that design philosophy. Once you could extract money from a computer owner, the open and extremely mutable hardware/software became a massive financial liability.
Imagine getting handed a wad of playdough, having all sorts of fun with it, finding all sorts of useful household applications for it, and filling it into every crevass in your house. Then imagine someone showing up and saying “We’re going to use the thumb print you leave on the playdough to verify all your future payments and assignment of future debts.” Suddenly, a burglar can walk off with your entire bank account if they can scrap a bit of thumbed playdough out of a corner of your house. And - oh, whoops - all your door locks and window jams are full of playdough, too, because it was so damned useful for customized security.
This is why my house is dumb.
I’ve got some ikea remote lights that does not run on wifi, and a pin coded garage door button, and that’s it.
A lot of tech is a vulnerability surface.
Damn that’s a good analogy. Just needs a bit about how they’re changing the formula of the playdoh so that it’s no longer useful for half the shit you’re relying on it for.
ReactOS really is our future, then, visually speaking. And here I thought we’d have to explain it away, but we can pitch it as clean and calm.
Business majors.
Same as everywhere else, management wants random shit done chop chop chop, fires actual developers who tell them they’re the dumbest pieces of shit they’ve seen in this lifetime and hire random bros who say “whatever dude, just wanna get paid” then copy-paste google results because bing sucks.
Middle manglement is the source of nearly all bad decisions once companies get large enough to have it. Upper management is often dog shit, but they usually have an idea of what they want done. Whether that’s. Net positive for consumers is a different story, but they don’t intend for it to be implemented poorly.
Middle manglement then takes that, fucks it up putting each of their little stamps on it as it hits every rung on the ladder as it works it’s way down to the people that have to implement it.
Is Growth Mindset. Don’t you have Growth Mindset?
I was expecting it t9 at least be a XAML C# app
Everything is done by vibe coders under the direction of project managers who’re just trying to get their name on shit. No one actually cares about the quality of the end product.
Don’t they have like 9 graphics libraries and frameworks accross 4 languages already?
It’s actually at least 13.
I remember people arguing that Linux having two main toolkits were holding it back back in 2000-2010 but then Microsoft invents a few billion UIs just for itself. Even the one big megacorp can’t be bothered to keep things consistent.
They need to scrap all this shit and take a massive step back and start over. Absolute bollocks.
reminds me of this story: “Temporary” disk formatting UI from 1994 still lives on in Windows 11 - Ars Technica
And that’s one of their best UI. You understand everything with a single glance, no need to press shift to get more things, there are no more things, that’s all there is.
It’s an interesting piece of tech ephemera, but devils advocate here, I’m not sure that I agree with the implication that this is a bad thing. The UI works. It gives you all the options you need with no major downsides or pain points. In this case, I think there’s something to be said for: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”
Agreed, I just find these instances of unintended longevity really fascinating :) The other day I was reading an article about how some infrastructure in Western countries still runs from floppy discs:
And in San Francisco, the Muni Metro light railway, which launched in 1980, won’t start up each morning unless the staff in charge pick up a floppy disk and slip it into the computer that controls the railway’s Automatic Train Control System, or ATCS. “The computer has to be told what it’s supposed to do every day,” explains a spokesman for the San Francisco Municipal Transport Agency (SFMTA). “Without a hard drive, there is nowhere to install software on a permanent basis.”
This computer has to be restarted in such a way repeatedly, he adds – it can’t simply be left on, for fear of its memory degrading.
In some sectors, the legacy use of floppy disks is being phased out. In 2022, a Japanese politician “declared war” on the ongoing use of older media. Subsequently, earlier this year, Japan’s Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry announced that the government would no longer require businesses to submit official forms and applications on floppy disk. The Japanese government finally declared “victory” by scrapping the rules in July 2024.
Imagine having to submit official forms on floppy disks even last year 😂
Nothing is as permanent as a temporary fix!
Jesus
Btw, the formatter dialog in Windows 11 setup (yeah, i had to) looks NT too.
Ironically, this is the result of various people at Microsoft at various times declaring “we need to scrap all this shit and start over”
There’s some logic behind each, but each time assumes they don’t have to do anything to port forward the previous approach to new UX standards as those will just die out. If it was roughly 13 screenshots of different developer experience, but consistent looking and behaving UI for the actual user, everyone could just shrug, maybe developers getting a bit grumpy about Microsoft’s inconsistency.
What MS needs is a new unifying framework and then they can change everything to that new standard. Call it Framework 927.
What MS needs is a hole in the head
Oops I pit my mouse in the bottom left now its loading 50 web pages filled with ads under the guise of being a widget
I have a Windows laptop for the first time in well over a decade for a project I am working on. Even though it is overpowered (i7, 64gb ram), and it is currently “idle”, the cooling fans are working overtime because the damn OS is always busy doing some random shit when “idle”. This is AFTER I ran a debloat script. It was near impossible to use before then.
EDIT: I found the cause of the fanning issue and different behavior between Win 11 and Linux (Pop!_OS). Even though the laptop comes with an Nvidia RTX 4000 series GPU, Windows 11 set the global default GPU to be the integrated graphics (Intel UHD). The same laptop under Pop!_OS automatically set the default GPU to Nvidia. As soon as I dug this up and switched the settings to Nvidia, the laptop stopped fanning full speed nonstop.
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I’ll just reiterate that this is a work computer provided by a client. They lend them out to contractors like myself. Since they don’t know what the work will require, they order them with max specs. It’d be a monster if I could slap linux on it, but with Win 11 it is just meh at best.
kind of apples to oranges, but the bit about contractors and employees being assigned computers that dont match the needs of the job hit me.
a friend of mine is a video game developer, works for one of the Microsoft studios, He’s a Narrative Director, and no that isnt writing. to my understanding his job is mostly revolving around setting up sequences of events so that characters, special effects, music, etc all plays in the correct sequence and functions properly, its kind of like editing, but instead of a timeline, its a 3d world.
It does need a graphics card and a fair amount of ram, but the computer they gave to him, since he works from home as a remote employee in Canada, is a complete beast. its about 3x more than what is needed for the job.
It was actually kind of comical listening to him complain about a game he wanted to play, not working very well on his personal PC, and he had a monster system in his possession, that couldnt be used to play games.
I’d boot that fucker from a usb drive and have my own shit on that. Or I’d borrow the video card every evening.
I know they lock them down pretty good, but not so good that they could stop me gaming on it in some way.
Unticking “alow this drive and its contents to be indexed” and terminating the indexing service helps.
And might as well, not like the fucking search works anyway, even with web search disabled. At least on W10.
Everything by VoidTools is a million times better than the Windows search, it indexes every file and then actually finds it right away when you search for it.
From where have you downloaded the script? Was it trustworthy?
This time around I used the Chris Titus Tech one, but there are a few other open source and reputable scripts out there.
Probably the raphire power shell script. Works pretty well, and is widely used as far as I know
Have enterprise win 11 now and it isnt as bad as that. Its stupid, but not evil.
I don’t get why people exaggerate this much. I have a laptop with a 7840hs and 32gb of ram so it’s also “overpowered” but it’s whisper quiet and consumes 30-45w while doing simple tasks. Consumption only increases if I’m running code, playing games, etc which makes total sense.
Windows is not a well optimized os and the telemetry sucks but you’re just flat out lying with your claims. It’s either that or your laptop has the worst possible cooling.
I have a laptop that I dual boot Windows 11 and Ubuntu on.
If I leave the Windows desktop idle for >20 minutes the fans will almost always randomly flare up even though I’m doing nothing. On Ubuntu, the desktop usually stays silent, or sometimes the fans come on a little (probably due to bloated browser apps) but never flare up the way it does on Windows.
Again, the most common problem in those cases are crappy drivers/fan curves. I have a laptop with W11 on it and fix/maintain laptops for friends as well and this is not an issue with any of them. The only time I had this problem was with a specific laptop.
Honestly, of all of the things you could criticize about windows (and there are lots), this is the one thing that is simply not an inherent OS problem.
I should test this. I normally set an aggressive fan curve so the CPU doesn’t overheat, and because I game on my laptop I use the custom fan profile instead of the default quiet one. I should try using a different fan profile when not gaming.
No exaggeration. I could literally record video at any time to show how it is fanning like crazy. If it is on, it is fanning like a jet plane.
EDIT: Problem found. Win 11 defaulted to integrated graphics even though the laptop has an Nvidia GPU. The same laptop with a Linux (Pop!_OS) install defaulted to the Nvidia GPU. That’s just dumb.
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Exactly this. I used to have an HP Omen 15 laptop with a 10th gen H variant i7 cpu that would constantly make a noticeable fan noise and would ramp up and down for no reason but the problem was the laptop. Everyone complained about it. The current one is an Omen 16 and it doesn’t have that problem at all. Even when gaming.
Switched to windows 10 a month or so ago just for ease of use with video games and mods. Man does windows suck ass. Wants to open random web pages, use dumb AI tools and give me useless info on every empty inch of screen space . At the end of the day it works but quality of life is low.
It’s why I’m gonna change to Linux permanently come the end of Win10.
I’ve been seriously considering switching to Mint or Ubuntu since they’re user friendly. The more I hear about win 11 the less and less I want anything to do with it. also, my pc isn’t compatible so there’s that 😂
I gave up on windows 11 last week after my downloads folder decided to stop opening any more. Every other folder worked fine, and I could use a save dialogue to see and navigate inside downloads, but if I opened the folder run file explorer I was met woth a never ending “working on it…” Screen. Hours of trawling useless Microsoft posts to see its a common issue but none of the suggested fixes worked.
I installed Pop! OS, which is essentially Ubuntu but Ive heard works very well with games. Few small hiccoughs getting used to the UI paradigm shift but its motoring along now with no problems. My 5 year old desktop is running much smoother with less overall resource use too. Feels snappier.
The smoother part sounds very appealing. I will look into this distro. Thanks.
Let me know what you think of it! I had some minor issues with my secondary hard drive, but they were entirely my fault, I had a lot of backups on it so didn’t initially reformat it from NTFS which I was using for windows to ext4 which is a native Linux format. It would sometimes not mount the drive on boot, but after transferring the backups to an external drive and reformatting the internal drive it was all good.
Just do it, it’s a perfectly functional os. Almost all of them.
That’s the reason I swapped.
So far it’s been a good switch
The easiest distro I have used so far it’s Endeavour-Os (for my desktop). All my homelab uses debian except the mandatory W11 VM and a WS for veeam.
Endeavour-Os sounds appealing. I like easy!
Download the Mint live CD and give it a shot!
That is a great idea. And since my desktop is old as a dinosaur it still has a cd burner. So I’ll take it as a win LOL
Do it now. It’s great!
The only realistic answer to the win11 situation. I chose bazzite because I like to game. It’s a dream, I never looked back.
I mean there’s also 0patch.
Why wait? Switch now and get used to it.
I switched last August.
Say what you will but I’m kind of addicted to the PC Gamepass. I have to get through a backlog before I give it up.
That’s how they get you.
Same same, I just hope I can replace my dying PC before switching
I just did that, using Fedora KDE now, works great
I’m already rocking Manjaro, put my old windows boot drive in a box in case I need it for whatever reason.
Mint + a game-box user myself :-)
Sometimes there is an old soft inly working on windows, but they are getting more and more rare as they no monger work on windows… Fantastic.
Is it really? Does microsoft have no faith in its own user32 UI API?
Yeah, windows apps, even official ones are just a mix of react native apps.
I used to be with it! (XAML) Then they changed what it is! (WinUI)
WinUI is yet another thing, it’s not React native. It’s kind of a new version of WPF with additional things and you can still use XAML
When I tried to use it it seemed like WPF but worse (except for the modern theming, but that I can get in WPF via the 3rd party ”WPF UI”).
Seriously? Got a link for that? (Not in a “I don’t believe you” way, but more of an “I’m curious to learn more” way)
Somehow this is hard to google, so sorry for linking to reddit, but here’s a thread where people are discussing it.
(edit: looks like someone found a better source elsewhere in the comments)
Not to mention the memory leak and how the “Start” process in Task Manager increase RAM usage every time you click that.
LOL
Can add farside.link/ before reddit, YT, etc. links, for mirrors!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMJNEFHj8b8&t=276
The start menu section starts @ 4:36I want to see how that works too!
here’s a bandaid: https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher
There’s also open shell if you like pre-W10 interfaces https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
This kept breaking with updates I am so glad I wiped it and single booted linux
there’s several, in my comparisons: explorerpatcher looked a lot more actively developed and mature, but i never tried open shell….
New CPU benchmark: 100 start menu clicks per second.
Going to need some LN2 for that!
Why are they even building native modern frameworks like WinUI only to use react native of all things…
This was my first thought. Maybe I’m way off the mark (I stopped using Windows in 2012) but I always thought the only thing it has going for itself is their toolkit. Not because it’s pretty but because everyone writes applications for the same toolkit.
Windows is not making much money, and they are reducing costs. Frontend devs are cheaper than dot net.
Fuck JavaScript in all its forms.
Ok, in a browser is fine. But HARD pass on electron and all this bullshit
Ok, in a browser is fine.
JavaScript was never fit for purpose even in a browser. We could’ve had Python or Scheme in the browser instead, but nooooo, Brandon Eich had to be fucking incompetent.
What are you talking about, giving one of the only programming languages where binary sizes matters a tiny standard library is a great idea!
There was an older alternative with PS and Tcl from Sun. I don’t know if I would like that more.
Gonna be real, Lua would have been perfect for this. I get what you’re saying about netscape though,
Good news: there’s been talk to having python be part of the DOM.
I believe chromium has been working on it but no real thought on when this will happen.
And it’s a terrible app, at that. No organization, just either some random application links, or one giant list with no categories or organization past alphabetical.
