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This guy should learn to view science more like a constructivist. Pretty much everything in science is just something we made up that mostly aligns with the natural world, and just because one model is less accurate than another does not mean it’s no longer useful.
We didn’t abandon Newtonion physics when Einstein’s model was accepted for instance, since Newtonian physics is still very useful, and much easier to use compared to others.
Edit: changed language from ‘proven’ to ‘accepted’.
We didn’t abandon Newtonion physics when we accepted Einstein’s model
was provenThat’s fair. Language changed for accuracy.
Well did I miss hearing that someone has proven Einstein?
I mean, it’s a shit post about how nutrition science is hard and full of misinformation.
I wasn’t familiar with the term, but I always (until this moment) assumed that everybody viewed science that way.
Not so. There are those that believe objectivism is the true way of viewing the world. They view that we are on the way to understanding the universe as it truly is, that human perception will not pose an obstacle to that pursuit, and that there will eventually be one true method of viewing the universe in its entirety that is yet to be discovered. Constructivist beliefs directly oppose that idea, since all science is a man-made construct that can only approximate reality in their view. Constructivism also, then, leaves room for multiple theories coexisting because they provide better utility and insights in different circumstances. In the example of Einstein’s Relativity vs Newton’s Physics, we are talking about an older theory and the theory which usurped it because it was more accurate, and the general expectation is that another theory will be accepted down the line which will be better than both. That expectation is fairly objectivist, since it assumes there is a true model which we just haven’t discovered yet. Constructivism does not make that assumption, since the universe likely does not fit neatly into our constructions in its image.
The other thing, is that constructivism challenges scientific realism to some extent, in that it challenges the existence of many things which we cannot directly observe, such as quarks, proteins, particles, etc… because “how can we actually confirm these things exist, when we physically can’t observe them, and the things we’re using to show their existence are constructs made up by us?”
This topic is still very much in a state of debate that has very strong implications around the philosophy of how science works and how it should be conducted. That’s also just talking about constructivism’s implications in the physical sciences. Things get much hairier when you start looking at the social sciences, where biases and perception are extremely influential on what we discover. Constructivism directly challenges the attainability of scientific objectivity, which has serious implications across all fields of science.
The research is pretty consistent that Transfats are worse for your health, if only due to correlation with high processed factory made meats, though.
this sounds like the kinda thing that I (uneducated in this topic) would go “heh… yeah…” and upvote not understanding the joke
then I open comments and it’s actually about tossing toddlers into a volcano and I am immediately sentenced with the guilt of upvoting a meme about child volcano sacrifice and I have to come to terms about how I am a horrible person who will blindly follow someones agenda because they were using big words and I am actually incredibly foolish and don’t deserve an opinion about anything ever…
or it’s just an extremely nerdy joke that nobody really understands but upvotes anyways
Same.
I was like oh it makes sense that there would be different types of protein. Here I go into the comments to increase the fidelity of my mental model! rofl guess not
no you were right the first time
This reads more like an anti-science meme. Things are complex, if you don’t understand them fine, but keeping yourself deliberately ignorant isn’t going to stop reality from being reality.
Maybe he’s got a finer point, but it actually just looks like an argument against categorization. It’s like saying I don’t trust math about “triangles” or “scalene triangles” or “rhombuses” when you find out about the special properties of the equilateral triangle or the square.
The fact that there are differences between elements of a category does not eliminate the utility of the commonalities shared by elements of a category. It does limit that utility, yes.
For example, just because you are getting plenty of protein, if you somehow completely avoid one of the amino acids that the human body uses but can’t synthesize, then eventually you will have some fairly specific health problems. That’s not strong evidence that it’s worth micromanaging your macronutrients by tracking your intake of all amino acids individually. (It might be; I haven’t seen it studies either way.)
Maybe I’m missing some context, but I also get the “anti-science” vibe from the image.
I think it’s a shit post about how he’s been reading into the science and it is just way more complicated than what most people talk about.
It is, this guy is a known fraud and all-round bad dude
I literally thought this was a parody/sarcasm when I posted it lmfao.
Understandable
By who?
Everything I’ve heard about big yud is that he’s a bit of a douchebag with a cult of personality. Never heard he’s anti science, or that he’s done anything wrong.
this is borderline.
there’s a point where we can argue that the US has shit standards for food safety. and there’s arguing that chemicals names are scary.
plus, he’s a bit of a weirdo with the Rocco’s Basilisk and his weird harry potter fanfiction
i assure you, there is much weirder harry potter fanfiction out there. i once read a Hogwarts Castle/Giant Squid smut fic.
Also, pretty sure a fellow named Roko came up with the basilisk, not Yudkowsky.
the Roko’s basilisk was from his forum, true, not directly his idea, but hes sort of related.
he is just a guy that sometimes, I hear wierd stuff and then I am not surprised hes involved in that.
That harry potter fan fic is weird, because instead of smut or shipping, it’s like what if Harry Potter was a humanist philosoper instead if a normal child with magic powers.
Was that Harry Potter and the methods of rationality?
I read the first dozen or so chapters maybe 10 years ago, until I realized that the total number of chapters approaches infinity and it got pretty boring after some time.
yes, that chapter count was indeed impressive
Is this the same guy who wrote the Harry Potter Rationalism fan-fic and started the ai worshipping cult?
yeah all while
being a high school dropouthe never went to high schoolwasn’t he entirely homeschooled
you’re right, he couldn’t be high school dropout because he never attended high school. he went to normal schools before that allegedly, but 8th grade broke him
He thinks he is too High IQ for school.
from my understanding, the ai cult initially sprang up on the forum he hosted (hosts? idk), but he didn’t exactly start it, any more than Queen Elizabeth II invented punk rock.
but he did write the fanfic, and it’s honestly pretty good. low bar i know, but dude’s a better author than jowling ever was, and i definitely recommend it to anyone into HP fanfics.
Counterpoint: https://danluu.com/su3su2u1/hpmor/
It’s interesting. I only read a bit so far and it is definitely right sometimes, but I think it often misses the point. For example complaining that the magic system doesn’t make sense is silly, since the magic is obviously trying to appear the same as in the original books (where it makes much less sense) while creating an impression that there might be some rules behind it and it being unintuitive and opaque is the whole point, since the rules are hard to find, else they would be found long ago.
Possibly the only thing more annoying than Yudkowsky are the anonymous online people who think they figured him out. Many of them are in these threads.
https://hpmor.com/ for anyone else with delusions of literary grandeur.
Sure, of course, and not liking things can be done without psychoanalyzing the author and it does not require feeling superior to them or ridiculing them.
that ai cult also doubles as a get smart quick scheme
Sugar manufacturers lobbied for fats to take the blame for all of the serious health issues people have had in the last 60 years
I know in my case, cutting sugar and simple carbs has done more than cutting fats.
Downvoted for Yud. Ice this clown out.
My standard response to that kind of statement is ‘Good for you. Have a cookie.’
My standard response is I would like to know more
go back to your harry potter fan fiction
This is so ignorant lmao
this is about exactly what you can expect from a man whose approach to science is take a phenomenon -> think about it really, really hard -> just know how it works and have an answer (without checking if it’s correct or not, he already thinks he figured it out and won’t change opinion ever even in the face of contrary evidence)
If you eat more plants and animals and less breads and sugars you do lose weight and feel better. I’m no science guy but that does work. People over complicate this shit.
You’re over complicating this shit.
Weight loss is primarily just calories burned minus calories eaten…
(times some factor, plus/minus some constant, ignoring higher order terms, excluding exogenous variables, etc.)
Yeah that’s a good rule too. Calories in vs calories out.
I no longer trust anyone who talks about “plants” or “animals”. It turns out, every single plant or animal is doing something different!
If it copies like a pasta, it’s copypasta!
How is bread and sugar not plants?? Oversimplifying stuff doesn’t make it better…
Say whatever you want but you can’t argue with results my man.
Well, if it works for you, great. But that doesn’t mean that it will work for anyone else.
It’s mostly the plants tbh, dietary fiber is frequently ignored in macro discussions but absolutely critical
fiber is so strange because it’s function is basically just to pass through you, and yet it’s so vital for the digestive system to function properly
everyone keeps saying “oh dietary supplements are just pissing away money” but fibre supplements are the one supplement most people would benefit hugely from taking, just get some psyllium husk or whatever and enter toilet nirvana
Just for context, it’s a uniquely American problem. The rest of the developed world on average eats more balanced diet and don’t need to supplement fiber.
The uniquely US problem is poor people having terrible diets, but lack of fibre for non-poor people is a thing all over the world aside from maybe like, japan…
i’ve personally benefitted greatly from just opting for whole-grain versions of things like pasta, much better poops now.
Some people around the world eat what is sometimes known as “american diet”, but it’s not a norm yet, not everywhere.
well, besides that other remark, sugars come from plants, though not all sugars are equal (ahem added sugar; fruit sugars are prolly fine)
fruit sugars are prolly fine
Fruits in general aren’t as good for you as general thinking have them. The majority have been bred to be so exaggerated in their sugar content that, as an example, you can’t feed pet primates fruit very often or they will get diabetes (without getting into the horrors that keeping primates as pets encompasses). You can quickly get an idea of this by searching for ‘wild strawberries vs grocery strawberries.’
The fibrous parts of fruits is good, the ‘nutritional’ aspects of them are decent, but the absolute black-hole-mass of sugar on the one side of the teeter-totter is a pretty big negative for them.
This is some ignorant shit, you.
This has been my experience. I find nutritional science incredibly boring, I’ve tried many times to get excited about it, but I just can’t seem to find an ‘in’ with it to make it my 2-week special interest and learn the basics properly.
At this point the bar is “if you can’t explain in one sentence, written, what meal I can make for cheap in less than 1-2 min of active effort and no more than 10 min total prep/cooking time with no skills, effort or culinary knowledge that will be tasty to give me dopamine for the day and feed me for the entire day, I’m not interested”.
I just eat bacon, pork sausages, eggs, and throw in some kale, spinach & watercress. I’ve cut out all bread, sweets, snacks and alcohol. It’s probably not healthy but fuck it we all gotta go sometime. Right now though, feels great, I lost a ton of weight. Hard not to overdo it on the salt added to eggs but I keep a close eye on it.
The only negative I’ve noticed it as I often get hit with random low blood sugar fainting like symptoms after my 2nd-3rd coffee, later I realized I basically was consuming no sugar at all, so now I gulp down 4 red bulls a day with my elvanse for breakfast and the problem went away. MH got way better too.
For dinner I have some frozen pizza or something like that that I can make without any effort or time, but lately it’s way way way too much effort to cook/eat.
Wish there was some “nutri-slop 3000” type magic pill that just gave me all nutrients I need for the day so I wouldn’t have to worry about this shit.
This is all meant with no offense to nutritionists/scientists, way I see it, y’all doing god’s work. Literally. If that lazy mfer bothered existing or got off his ass we wouldn’t be cursed with this shit fr.
Edit: Wow what’s with the downvotes? Le Reddit hivemind is upset?
Homemade soylent recipes
I mean, there are these “complete meal” drinks, specifically for people like you who don’t really want to think about their next meal
Yeah but they seem lame, not tasty and they give people the shits. Literal corposlop.
I struggle finding ones that aren’t fucked with empty carbs and processed sugar personally.
You calling it elvanse makes me suspect you have access to maultaschen. Bürger vegan maultaschen (Typ 1) have macronutrients in the proportion suggested by nutritionists; taste good raw, sautéed, or in soup; cost <€2,50; and keep very well. Other varieties are possibly similar, but I don’t know if they can be eaten raw or how they keep.
Plus, they’re a good base for taking elvanse.
Pictured: The creature who has promised to protect us from sentient machines not sounding like a carbon-based life form
Trust the overseer to do what’s best for you. /s
Fucking what? Is he suggesting “protien” is a social construct?
No he’s suggesting he’s completely confused and is going to tune out.
Japanese Buddhist curated amino acid diet for the win
i’ve been chugging DNA juice for 10 years and i’m just about to evolve
