No cure so you gotta rest. Nose is stuffed so you gotta mouth breathe. Throat is dry from mouth breathing. Dry throat makes it painful to swallow. Pain keeps you from sleeping and recovering. Lack of sleep leads to worse symptoms like piercing headaches. Need to rest to get rid of the headaches. Headache and swallowing is too painful to rest properly. Lack of rest perpetuates headaches, nose congestion, dry throat, painful swallowing.

What is this BS

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    I’ll say from personal experience, I found out that my body is actually awesome at responding to colds - I just don’t let it.

    Storytime - for pretty much all my life, I’ve had what I considered a pretty normal and functioning immune system. I would get a cold, feel how you felt for a few days or weeks, mostly just power through, and then I’d be back to normal.

    However, in college I took 6 months off to hike the Appalachian Trail. This was great for a lot of reasons, but one thing I noticed (which everyone around me agreed on when I mentioned it to them), is that I’d pretty much stopped getting colds. For reference, trail life is not at all sanitary. Daily showers and grooming are the stuff of fantasy. Washing your hands after you take a shit is rare. If you frequent the small lean-to shelters along the trail to sleep (as I did almost every night), you will be sleeping shoulder to shoulder with other hikers with similar levels of hygiene. And it’s not like we are somehow not catching and transmitting pathogens to each other. Every year, things like the flu or norovirus will rip through the hiking community, leaving 100 mile stretches of trail where you’ll walk past dozens of hikers groaning in their tents (haphazardly set up just feet from the trail), with a pool of vomit just outside.

    But the whole time I was on the trail, I never got a cold. As long as I wasn’t sick sick, I felt very generally healthy. Why?

    Well, the life I was living was very different than my normal life. I think I am decently healthy in my normal life. I eat a healthy diet and exercise regularly. But on the trail, I had a lot more things going for me.

    • I slept a lot, in sync with my circadian rhythm. 8pm was widely agreed to be “hiker’s midnight”, since about 15 minutes after the sun went down, all the hikers would start feeling sleepy and decide to go to bed. I would usually knock out instantly, and then wake up at first light, groggily peer out my tent at the coming morning, take a piss, then roll back over and sleep for another hour or two.
    • I was getting a lot of exercise. This exercise was rarely particularly strenuous, but every day I would wake up, shoulder my pack, and walk about 15 miles.
    • I had a phone, but had no backup battery bank, mini solar charger, or anything like that. Cell reception in the hills typically oscillated between bad and nonexistant. So my phone almost universally lived in the bottom of a stuff sack inside my backpack. I would take it out maybe once every couple days to listen to a song or two before turning it off again to conserve prescious battery life in case of emergency. Partly this helped because it meant that I wasn’t staring at a bright phone screen when I should be sleeping. But more than that, I think it helped because I wasn’t constantly feeding my brain a stream of nee content. I spent almost my entire day, every day, hiking in the forest in silence with no distractions. All I had to entertain myself was noticing the environment around me, occassionally checking my map and digital watch to calculate how far to the next stream/shelter/trail junction/town, and whatever thoughts came up in my head.
    • I spent pretty much all my time breathing fresh air. Most of the time I was in rural land with very little air pollution, and even when I did approach population centers, they tended to be, at most, medium-sized towns.
    • When I wasn’t hiking or camping alone, I was hiking and camping with other hikers. Trail life tends to dissolve the differences in class, age, national origin, political affiliation, religion, or anything else. Everyone shares a common interest - life on the trail - so conversation tends to flow easily. Trail talk tends to center around things hikers think about - food, water, miles, towns, shelters, gear, other hikers, weather, poop. Outside the rare individual who gives off bad vibes, everyone is welcome and welcoming, creating a general sense of community and support.
    • I had a well defined goal, obvious steps to take to achieve it, and made progress every day. The goal: walk to the northern terminus. The plan: wake up, break camp, walk. Every day, I could lay down in bed and look at my map, celebrating the progress I’d made, seeing how much closer I was to some landmark like a town, a mountaintop vista, or a significant mile marker. With a clear goal like this and few other distractions, my sense of time dialated significantly - the present moment became paramount. The next few and previous few miles were all that mattered. Yesterday and tomorrow were significant markers in my mind. But the town I was in 3 days ago, I felt I hadn’t seen in years. And when I started the trail? What I would do when I finished? That was another lifetime.

    All these things, I think, contributed to my physical and mental health. And doing so, they either (a) improved my immune system enough that the common cold was stamped out long before my body had to create congestion to deal with it, or (b) my immune system wasn’t overreacting to a relatively minor threat, and was simply taking care of these minor viral infections in the background without bothering me

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    When I have a cold I wear a cloth mask to bed and that actually helps reduce the sore throat I get from breathing dry air. Also, it does a pretty good job of preventing my partner from getting sick as well!

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    All that IS the response, and without it, a virus would kill you.

    You are better off toughing it out than taking drugs that block the responses.

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    The immune system is fucking incredible, you should read up on it and then you’ll never make a post like this again!

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      I was about to say this too. It does a pretty fucking incredible job at fighting colds.

      Wait. Was this a troll post, and I just ate it up?

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    I think that the real wonderment is that, even though we know the way virusses are distributed. And that social distancing is adamant in preventing that distribution, we simple tend to ignore this and spreading that shit like crazy.

    That weird behaviour costs our economy millions.

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        Well in that era we were blissfully unaware of the cause of disease, so it wasn’t that weird.

        Today it is

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    A lot of people in this thread saying that viruses are losing when we live through a cold. That’s just not true. Their goal is to live/reproduce, not to kill. They’re winning at a different game, it just hurts us as a byproduct.

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    bad at it? you literally rest for a week then recover, as opposed to dying. your pretty fucking good at it. you just don’t know how bad it could be

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    If it makes you feel any better, your microscopic attacker is not having a very good time with your body’s response either. You’re the undefeated champion in this arena so far, keep up the winning streak.

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    Dude, you are in a million years battle with other organisms trying to exploit and kill you, and you’re fucking winning. I would call that a blazing success. The other organisms are trying their literal best, their survival depends on it, and you just KEEP. ON. WINNING.

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    The common cold is a family of coronaviruses, our bodies have been fighting off their mutations for millennia. An mRNA vaccines for colds, if I remember correctly, was in the works, but, well, we’ve all seen what’s happening there

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    You know symptoms is the tangible evidence of your body fighting the fucker? I’m no scientist but I remember hearing that apparently a raised body temp is one method of killing the cunt that’s trying to attack you.

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    With these symptoms you can’t run, you can’t hunt, you can’t burn too many calories. Your body does everything in its power to prevent you from using resources your body needs to defeat the sickness.

    That’s the reason why placebo meds work: the fact that the doctor gave you medicine means that you are really sick, and therefore you have to rest. In reality you’re behaving differently and therefore you’ll get healthy faster.

    Oh: and you’re slightly dehydrated so you don’t have that much risk of infecting others.

    We are tribal animals. Apes together strong. We care for the sick ones because that means they can focus on recovery.

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      Is that why placebos work? I could swear they had done studies that show that placebos can be as effective as medication under certain conditions, all other things being equal. Maybe not as effective as medication, but more effective than non-treatment.

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          Good find. Key paragraph:

          When measured objectively over the 42-day evaluation period, limb function improved in 12.1% and worsened in 8.6%, but did not change in most dogs. By contrast, caregivers (both owners and vets) reported improvements in lameness from the start, with the reported improvements increasing with time. The caregiver placebo effect appeared to be around 57% for owners and 40–45% for vets and was statistically significant at all assessment time points.

          Objective measurements are one way to detect this effect. Another would be a true double-blind trial where neither owner nor vet knows which medicine was given.

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        Only if the medication doesn’t work. The evidence is that placebos don’t work. Mostly, the placebo effect is a statistical illusion.

        It is plausible that the body will expend more energy to combat a disease if you are (sub-)consciously convinced that you are cared for and don’t need to stress. Stress hormones down-regulate the immune response. Cortisol, used for treatment of autoimmune disorders like asthma and allergies, is a stress hormone.

        But a sham treatment could also have the opposite effect. If your subconscious understands that as a signal that you must get back into action, you may end up releasing stress hormones. These psychological effects are just too idiosyncratic and fickle to be used reliably.

        Stuff like broken bones or cancer doesn’t respond to psychology at all. The body is already doing all it can.

        ETA: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7156905/

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    It’s incredibly good at responding to infections. That’s why you’re alive.

    Taking medicine to reduce symptoms when you’re sick, actually increases the amount of time that you’re sick. You reducing the effectiveness of your body’s fight.

    If you find yourself often getting sick, take a look at your overall health, especially your metabolic health. Make sure you’re getting enough sleep, zinc, sunlight, and avoiding sugar as much as you can.

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      Taking medicine to reduce symptoms when you’re sick, actually increases the amount of time that you’re sick. You reducing the effectiveness of your body’s fight.

      Sorry I think this is unfounded quackery, and by making this assertion you risk increasing the suffering of others.

      It makes sense in a logical kind of way… like if a fever helps fight an infection then taking paracetamol to avoid the fever must prevent you fighting the infection.

      The thing is, there’s no evidence that infections work that way in practice. If taking paracetamol helps you get a good night sleep, maybe that is more effective than a fever.

      A lot of your body’s natural defenses just aren’t really very effective at all. Like goose bumps, or shivering… obviously putting a jacket on is far more effective.

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        Sorry I think this is unfounded quackery, and by making this assertion you risk increasing the suffering of others.

        https://doi.org/10.1592/phco.20.19.1417.34865

        You might not like the advice, but it doesn’t make it quackry. You’re an adult, you can take any medicine you like. But the advice is sound, avoid treating symptoms as a first resort.

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          Interesting study, but the sample size of 54 is a bit too small, and usually strong medical research requires placebo controlled randomized trials. The ones that received medicine in this trial had to meet a specific criteria I.e. not randomized. Still interesting study to build off of nonetheless

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          can you share an extract from the link that speaks to your point? im just not able to access the link

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            Multivariate analysis suggested that antipyretic therapy prolonged illness in subjects infected with influenza A, but its use was the result of prolonged illness in those infected with S. sonnei. The precise nature of these relationships requires a prospective, randomized, placebo-controlled trial.

            On a human level it should just make sense, don’t treat things that don’t need to be treated. If your fever is getting dangerously high, or if it’s preventing you from sleep and you got to work in the morning, use your medicine. But it shouldn’t be the first thing people go for. I have a mild headache I’m going to take some medicine, I have a slight fever I’m going to take some medicine, I have a sniffly nose I’m going to take some medicine. That’s not indicated.

            They’re very few panaceas in this world, all medicines have trade-offs.

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              The quote suggests the study was suggestive of the conclusion but inadequate to reasonably confirm it.

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                Sure, one thing you will find in all paper is that further studies are warranted. I was just illustrating to our dear friend above that their quackery statement wasn’t being civil.

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                Person 1: “don’t treat fevers, doing so prolongs the illness itself”

                Person 2: “there’s no evidence of that, it’s quackery”

                Person 1: “here’s a study that says there’s no evidence that it’s false, either.”

                Person 2 was probably being somewhat rude, but also wasn’t wrong in the substance of the actual comment.

                I’m of the camp that treating a fever makes me feel better, and it isn’t shown to prolong or worsen illness.

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        Quackery? Lmao. It’s proven that reducing fevers through anti-inflammatory medication lengthens the cold symptoms.

        You’re the quack here.

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        Getting rid of processed sugar is a great start

        There’s a lot of controversy about the other sugars, but I’m in the keto camp, so I would say anything that elevates your blood glucose should be avoided. So that would include sugar in fruit