Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has stated that Russia is importing petrol, calling it the rightful result of the work of the Security Service, the Armed Forces, intelligence and Ukrainian weapons manufacturers.
Quote: "Today, there were also reports on our entirely justified strikes against Russian targets – against their logistics and fuel infrastructure. I am grateful to our warriors for their precision. Russia chooses war, Russia destroys our people’s lives, and must be held accountable – our long-range capabilities will increase.
Ukraine is what the Allies have been in World War 2-- a really fucking competent leadership. It doesn’t matter if the opponent has a bigger stick if he’s too stupid to use it and keep missing the swings. That’s what Russia is. So much for “corrupt Ukraine”. No country is void of corruption, but if Ukraine is as corrupt as Russian propaganda insists they are, they wouldn’t have been able to survive this long and embarrass Russia. Speaking of which, it’s funny I don’t see much Russian bots try to smear Ukraine anymore (maybe Putin is instead focusing on propagandising the Russians). Since Kursk and the deep drone strike campaigns in Russia, it is clear that Russia is losing the propaganda war.
Maybe Ukraine couldn’t retake the areas occupied by Russia, but they could deliver a Pyrrhic blow to Kremlin. Russian international prestige already diminished as soon as they invaded.
Ukraine is what the Allies have been in World War 2-- a really fucking competent leadership.
This is inaccurate on two fronts.
Except this is accurate on all fronts. Compare that to the Axis, who barely coordinated. Hell, Mussolini didn’t even tell Hitler he was going to invade Greece. When that didn’t work out, Hitler had to bail him out. That pushed the German invasion of the Soviet Union by one or two months. Who knows, maybe those two months could have allowed Germany to arrive in Moscow earlier and avoid the freezing winter, and history as we know it may have turned differently. Don’t even get me started the wastefulness of the Holocaust (the brain drain and potential manpower wasted), which Mussolini himself stated long before that the Nazi’s racial obsession is wasteful. This is why I want to smash the myth of efficiency of Nazi war machine, because they never were.
Also read up on Truman committee, who monitored corruption and wastefulness during the war period. They saved about $15 billion.
This is why I want to smash the myth of efficiency of Nazi war machine
Broadly speaking, the myth is of “efficient war machine”. These sprawling, ego-driven, blunders of resource mismanagement aren’t specific to any one faction or ideological tenor.
The idea that Ukraine is some kind of model of efficiency is just war propaganda. The Spring Offensive of 2023 was a trainwreck.
Similarly, the mythology of British/American logistical accumen is wildly overinflated. Normandy was only possible because the Eastern Front was sucking up so much of Germany’s material and manpower. The far bigger win for the Allies was simply the Radar + cracking Enigma, blunting Operation Sea Lion.
The idea that Ukraine is some kind of model of efficiency is just war propaganda. The Spring Offensive of 2023 was a trainwreck.
Oh, and Russia is better? Is that why they are stuck in Ukraine for two years now with the frontlines barely budging at the cost of something like 900,000 Russian casualties? The Black Sea fleet essentially nonexistent? Russia can’t defend itself from deep drone incursions for a country supposedly more powerful? I don’t know what your agenda is, but the results speak for itself. Like I said, it doesn’t matter if the person wields a bigger stick if he can’t use it well and keep missing. The Ukrainian spring offensive failed in 2023 but the Ukrainians learned; the Russians didn’t.
Similarly, the mythology of British/American logistical accumen is wildly overinflated.
They are better. The Allies have prepared for a war with Germany. The US alone have been able to mobilise its factories for war production and enlist 600,000 men (if I remember the figures correctly) in just six months after Pearl Harbor, unlike in WWI which took them a better part of one year to do so. The country already produced and sent hundreds of Liberty ships to supply UK and USSR. Germany, on the other hand, by admission of German generals after the war, stated they only had enough men and supplies to last them less than a year at the start of the war, if they don’t defeat the West quickly. Because Hitler did not expect the Allies to declare war on him after invading Poland. Germany was actually on the brink of bankruptcy just before they invaded Poland.
On the Asia Pacific front, Japan also didn’t inform Germany of the plan to bomb Pearl Harbor. Couple of days later, Germany declared war on US unnecessarily. So yes, tell me how efficient this is.
Ukraine was probably close to as corrupt as the Russians have never stopped bleating, but:
- They’ve overhauled a lot of their government, largely fixing the corruption mess.
- What does it say about Russia if they can’t beat an allegedly corrupt and rotting government?
(maybe Putin is instead focusing on propagandising the Russians)
Or maybe Putin decided the bot farmers were needed at the front lines as drone fodder.
I’m just concerned about what happens if things start to go really badly for the Russians. Nothing good can come of a nuclear superpower that feels threatened and backed into a corner, either by the enemy or their own populace.
They were ground to a standstill in Afghanistan too, and the apocalypse failed to materialize.
Some geriatic leaders were shown to be incompetent, so they were replaced by other elderly drunks.
The USA does business with Vietnam but not Cuba. Strategically the countries are not the same.
This is an interesting point, but what are you saying? Sorry, I’m a bit dense.
Afghanistan was strategically as important to the USSR as Vietnam was to the USA. So going nuclear was not worth it.
For no missiles on Cuba, the US risked everything, and they still embargo Cuba for leaving their fold.
Ukraine is even more important for Russia. So assuming that nothing will happen because nothing happened for the loss in Afghanistan is careless.
I see, thanks for spelling it out for me!
Eh, the people around Putin know that they have better odds of maintaining their lives and fortune when no nukes fly.
competence does not in any way indicate an absence of corruption
One of the symptoms of corruption is diversion of critical resources to private pockets.
Yeah, OK, all systems have some level of corruption, but setting binary thinking aside, in Ukraine, it can’t be of great magnitude or they couldn’t fight.
Cool story
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68120973
Not sure what they’re on about.
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“Uhhhh I don’t care”
Your baseless speculation does not in any way constitute a counter-argument, it is pure wishful thinking to avoid confronting the very real possibility that the US is about to lose another proxy war
Oh that wasn’t me, I just noticed you chickening out of addressing their valid counter-argument.
Like I said, not a counter-argument, wishful thinking, cope
Only finished product, right? Russia without the ability to net export crude is basically just land.
Not even very good land:
Russia has been facing severe environmental issues, with the country’s Natural Resources Ministry naming 35 cities and towns with dangerously high air pollution levels. The country’s air pollution is largely attributed to industrial activity and vehicular traffic, with over 200 cities exceeding pollution limits. The Krasnoyarsk region has the highest air pollution level, with the city of Norilsk being the worst offender, releasing 1,787,000 tons of pollutants into the air. Other major cities like Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg, and Volgograd also experience high concentrations of air pollution. Water pollution is also a serious concern, with 75% of surface water and 50% of all water in Russia contaminated. The country’s soil degradation, nuclear waste storage, and deforestation further contribute to its environmental challenges.
Ah, the old Soviet approach to environmentalism: that’s a bunch of capitalist hogwash Ivan, just dump out the arsenic somewhere.
Effectively Ukraine is doing more to help the US economy than its own Executive Branch.
The US economy? How do you figure that?
Did they even say thank you?
I want to live to see the day where JD Vance is forced, on his hands and knees, to say thank you.
Ukraine is a front line for the entire West. Of course it helps the US. It has taken donny 10 years to understand what anyone can read from a wiki article in less than an hour.
^donny…understand
Effectively Ukraine is doing more to lessen the production of petrol than any other country.
We also have most of our thermal power firebombed by ruskies, so biggest part of our energy generation is nuclear and renewables now. Yay ecology!
Nuclear sucks tho. Too expensive, shitty when bombed, requires mining and still no way to deal with the trash. (Lemmy nuclear bootsuckers please save yourself the energy to talk about reactors reusing the trash. They are experimental and dont produce energy yet)
I wouldn’t necessarily agree with all that, but one thing’s still clear - I’d rather not have nuclear power in country with that monkey with grenade of a neighbour that is Russia.
The first carbon neutral war since the invention of gun powder.
I think they might have increased air pollution in the short term.
Executive branch is too busy orchestrating a genocide
While being the chief supplier and apologist for another.
It will be fun when Ukraine starts locating and burning the imports, too :) Fuck Pootin, and fuck ruzzia. They are curse to humanity !
Destruction of pipelines and refineries will mean that it doesn’t matter where the fuel’s coming from. They’ll either have to import refined products or do without.
Indeed. But I’m also suggesting that the import facilities are targets now, too. If they can’t produce, and can’t import, they will just have to live like the cavemen that ruzzians are.
I find it really “eye opening” to watch a “small” country like Ukraine, just demolish a huge behemoth almost all on their own. Yes they got support from USA, that helped them survive a lot of the first invasion wave, where russia wasn’t prepared for the resistance they were getting do to bad serveilance reportings, of the russian KGP. But after a lot of the help they are getting from their allies, they have been innovating and forcing themselves out of this.
This is the modern version of David and Goliath. Ukraine has revolutionized modern warfare completely.
It seems to be similar to the Vietnam War (besides the distances ofc). The US lost that because none of the soldiers actually cared about going to fight in Vietnam, nobody cared about winning. It might be a similar story with Russia. What stakes do the Russian people face if they lose? What does Ukraine have to lose?
nobody cared about winning
That was an unwinnable war. China supported North Vietnam, with which it shared a long border. The US was fighting thousands of miles from its borders, with all the logistical problems that entailed, and was not willing or able to engage China directly in the fighting-- they had recently tried that in the Korean war and barely managed to achieve a stalemate at a high cost in lives. The South Vietnamese government was a former French colonial puppet regime that was rotten to the core, the South Vietnamese soldiers knew that and had no desire to die for those parasites or for the US’s obscure objectives. The North Vietnamese soldiers had to either fight and win or be massacred by either the US or their own government. So they cared about winning, since for them it was an existential imperative. American draftees had more options than that.
But I agree that your analysis that the cost of failure to the sides in that war was massively asymmetric is indeed also applicable to Russia and Ukraine.
It’s a bit different as Russian indifference is also what made this war be possible in the first place.
I mean, back in '22 Russian opposition mostly had to flee abroad, but broadcasted news of Russian war crimes, commenting that Russian citizens should know the truth.
Now we know they know. It’s just that nobody cares until it affects them personally.
it is not even the first generation of russian opposition that failed at that. They played dumb when Transnistria situation happened, they didn’t gave a shit when russia started a proxy war with Georgia by fueling the separatist movements, they couldn’t be bothered with Karabakh thing, lots of them openly supported military invasion of Ichkeria that tried to secede according to international law only to be laughed at, they played the “it’s very ambiguous” during the August 8 invasion even there was nothing ambiguous. russian opposition was politically irrelevant long before that and their fate as absolutely inadequate play-pretend clownshow was cemented when most of them decided to feign ignorance and sit on the fence over Crimea annexation and then their leaders started speculating over that with sandwich rhetoric which was deeply idiotic and counterproductive.
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Really dude ?? Really ?? Ukraine is running out of men.
Idiot orc! Ukraine doesn’t even have a full draft yet. They are not even recruiting men under 25 years of age. If anyone is “running out of men”, it’s the fucking weak ass ruzzian pigs, who use all the dirty tricks, like tricking foreign international students to the front line, as well as jailed criminals, invalids and elderly. Even 18 year old conscripts, who by ruzzian law, can’t be sent to war, are being coerced into changing their contracts. They are sending wounded men, ON ACTUAL CRUTCHES, into battle. Speaking of ruzzian pigs…how come you aren’t at the front line yet? Are you one of the millions of young ruzzian men who ran away to a foreign country, rather than serve the mighty midget Pootin? You should serve. You’d look great as a pink mist wafting in the morning breeze, Yuri.
I am not Russian, but cool joke bro. https://youtu.be/p1KwWZJFmCU
Also Don’t joke about the war, you death-worshipping degenerate. One question; which country are you from ?
Son’t know where the guy you were denigrating was from, but I’m from Finland and we know Russia well enough to know what animals they are. Alao fuck you for spreading Russian propaganda
Oh so basically, you don’t have any skin in the game; But love forcing other men to die For YOUR COMFORT & that Dehumanization is straight out of the zionist playbook. Good job war-monger.
US-imperialism is the cause of this war, there’s enough evidence for it, just like Israel.
No skin in the game except over 1000km of border and hundreds of years of history with the most malignant war mongering country in the northern hemisphere who are contantly waging war with us, so you can just fuck off with your condescending attitude.
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What did you say ? You can message me. Ever notice they have no credible evidence or reasoning skills.
They’re death-worshipping degenerates.
Demolish how? Russia is still taking ground. We are entering into fourth year of war, and with the exception of Kursk campaign the line is moving only in one direction.
Taking land is the only way to win a war. Outlasting an opponent’s ability/will to fight doesn’t work at all, right?
Remind me: who controls Afghanistan? You know, that small country that didn’t even have a standing army who fought against the most powerful military on the planet for 20 years … after fighting the Soviets for 10.
Probably a fluke though – it’s not like that’s repeatedly happened in wars across history.
True. But also Afghanistan’s climate and terrain make it costly to occupy, and there was no comparable benefit to being there, besides possibly control of the opiate trade. And large-scale mechanized warfare was also horrendously difficult in Afghanistan, but much more possible in Ukraine and vicinity.
So the Russians left because there was nothing worth stealing that would justify the high casualty rate. The US fucked off because there was no reason to be there besides to slap the Taliban around and kill however many Al-Qaida fighters could be found. But the war aims for the US were never well-articulated, and that led to bizarre rules of engagement that could never achieve more than a holding pattern. The US could have stayed and exterminated every single Talib, but that would have almost inevitably spread the conflict to the Taliban’s sponsors, Pakistan, which has nukes (and a far larger popultation than Afghanistan). Not a good state to destablize.
So you’re saying russians will just pack their things and leave?
just to clarify - taking ground with immense personnel and hardware losses over what it is rendered into a literal moonscape with no infrastructure or housings intact. good luck holding onto that.
Good luck taking it back.
Russia hasn’t taken significant ground for years. The front line is stuck, entrenched and static. There might be variations by 10 metres here or there, but it’s basically the same today as 3 years ago.
Look at how the first world war ended. The front was frozen for about three years, then it suddenly came unstuck. What had changed was crumbling alliances on the Axis side, an increasingly difficult problem with fuel supply (hmm, that sounds familiar), and the need for Germany to maintain some level of military strength for internal repression. So what broke things loose was a gradual loss of German resiliency. That could happen to Russia, too, but it depends on international resolve that may or might not be sufficiently strong. In particular, it’s not clear if Trump is more interested in backstabbing Europe to ingratiate himself with Putin, or backstabbing Putin in order to claim credit for a victory that would actually largely be Zelenskyy’s.
Three years ago they were fighting for Maruipol.
Meatwave tactics do tend to gain ground, but the midget Pootin is starting to get desperate for warm bodies to send. Pootin the Tiny is resorting to tricking international students into signing up for the meatgrinder, and there are literal waves of ruzzian orcs attacking WHILE ON CRUTCHES! Ruzzian soldiers are encouraged to shoot their own wounded because ruzzia can’t afford to medically treat them, or pay pensions… Ruzzian weapons are proven crap, and getting crappier, and that’s a foreign market ruzzia will, NEVER get back. What ruzzian navy? ROFLOLOLOL!!! Ruzzia has run out of fuel (LOL) and is now an importer of gasoline, while Ukraine permits it. (Hint: Ukraine will be bombing import facilities and infrastructure very soon). The ruzzian economy is in the toilet and about to be flushed, ruzzian elites are grumbling audibly about midget Pootins failures… The entire next generation of ruzzians has fled overseas, or already been turned into sunflower fertilizer. Ruzzia is Donny 2 Inches “third world shithole country”, in every possible way. Third World Ruzzia should try to give their population actual flushing toilets and indoor plumbing, before they start and lose their next war ROFL. No wonder that every ruzzian woman is trying to find a western husband, because this is yet another destroyed generation of ruzzian men. Only the crippled and unemployable violent drunks are going to remain, to populate future ruzzia. What a genetic disaster, hey?
Only the crippled and unemployable violent drunks are going to remain
As opposed to the glorious past, when there were also non-crippled and marginally employable violent drunks.
You’re wasting your time lmao. If they took Kyiv and jailed all the leadership these delusional libs would claim it’s just Russian propaganda and the real victory is just around the corner like it’s an avengers movie.
Evidence is beside the point, all that matters is vibes.
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You’re commenting from the fucking “saying Palestine is illegal” instance, pipe down
More .ml propaganda lmao
Palestine isn’t illegal, silly you :3
Isn’t Ukraine second biggest European country after Russia?
I don’t think they meant geographic size. In terms of population they’re around 9th, in terms of GDP more like 25th. They’re not Malta obviously, but they don’t really stack up against the big traditionally heavyweight countries by most metrics.
Ukraine is poor as fuck, it’s really surprising when you look at the numbers.
Not citizen and economy wise.
demolish
Ok buddy…
This is the modern version of David and Goliath.
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Russia was considered to be the second most powerful military in the world. They now have suffered over a million casualties and are currently unable to prevent their own oil facilities from exploding on a weekly basis.
And yet they haven’t left. Doesn’t sound like they got “demolished.”
You both are just spouting gung-ho bullshit as virtue signaling for the tribe.
The war can be both devastating for Russia and an ongoing grind.
That itself is not unprecedented. Large militaries have horrifically ground themselves down against smaller, determined foes for literally thousands of years.
And yet they haven’t left.
They haven’t left yet.
They haven’t “left” because the midget Pootin is not the one doing the dying. Yet.
Putin would appear weak if he walked away. Dictators don’t want to look weak. They would rather run the country into the ground than admit they were wrong.
They have drunk the kool-aid
Amazing replies, they say Ukraine got support from US like it was a few thousand, ignoring all the support during Biden, and from other countries.
What? Like the support North Korea and China have been selling to the midget Pootin? Like the nice cash flow ruzzia is getting from India and other Brics countries, for whatever oil ruzzia can still transport? Like all the Iranian drones and drone technology that ruzzia can’t provide for itself? Like the battalions of (crappy) North Korean slaves that Pootin has welcomed for ruzzian cash. Even America has been helping ruzzia by keeping a leash on Ukraine, selectively providing intelligence information and even turning off their internet at times. America sent some if’s old junk that needed to be decommissioned any way. It probably actually profited America to be able to dispose of that stuff cheaply LOL. Although it is hilarious that old American junk is more that ruzzia can handle ROFL. Too bad for the runt Pootang, but war in modern times, is a multinational affair, and ruzzia is on the Temu side LOL. I though you ruzzian orcs would be too embarrassed to show your vile heads any more, due to all the failure. It most be pure cringe, to be a ruzzian LOL.
Jesus fucking cringe, I hope for your sake you’re being paid for this
Cry harder into your morning vodka, Yuri !
How much is Ruzzian intelligence paying you tho?
Headline seems true. To quote ISW’s Oct 1 report:
Gasoline shortages continue in Russia and occupied Ukraine due to repeated Ukrainian strikes on Russian oil refineries. Russian energy-focused outlet Seala told Russian state outlet RBK on September 30 that Russian oil refineries are temporarily facing a 38 percent decrease (roughly 338,000 tons per day) in their primary oil refining capacity as of September 28 due to Ukrainian drone strikes, which have struck more than two dozen major oil refineries in Russia since early August 2025.[20] Seala estimated that Russia’s total available capacity for gasoline and diesel fuel production fell by 6 percent in August 2025 and by another 18 percent in September 2025, reaching historic lows. Seala estimated that Ukrainian drone strikes caused approximately 70 percent of downtime in gasoline production as the strikes disabled approximately a quarter of Russia’s oil refining capacity (roughly 236,000 tons per day) by the end of September 2025, and that four more Russian refineries, including two of the top five largest Russian oil refineries, halted production after drone strikes. Independent Russian outlet the Moscow Times reported that the fuel crisis has impacted the Far East and occupied Crimea the hardest, where Russian authorities have banned sales of more than 30 liters of gasoline per customer since the beginning of the week (roughly September 28).[21] Crimean occupation head Sergey Aksyonov announced on October 1 a limit of 20 liters of gasoline per customer in an effort to mitigate the gasoline shortage.[22] Russian economist Vladislav Inozemtsev noted that Russian oil companies have to wait months for repairs to damaged refineries, as Western sanctions have blocked the sale of equipment and replacement parts on which Russia relies and cannot easily replace with Chinese equivalents. Russian business outlet Kommersant reported that Russian Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak outlined to Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin on September 24 several possible means of alleviating Russia’s desperation for gas, including a zero-rate five percent import customs duty on gasoline imported from the People’s Republic of China (PRC), South Korea, and Singapore through certain checkpoints in the Far East.[23] Novak also reportedly proposed a rule that Russia will only authorize certain companies to supply fuel, which would allow Russia to export approximately 150,000 tons of gasoline from Siberian refineries westward per month to maintain supply balances in central Russia. Novak also reportedly proposed increasing gasoline imports from Belarus from 45,000 tons to 300,000 tons per month. RBK reported that Belarus began exporting gasoline to Russia in September 2025 after a pause that began in Fall 2024.[24]
Russia’s problems with oil refinery capabilities will likely persist amidst more damage to Russian oil refineries. Russian authorities and sources reported on October 1 that there was a large fire at the Yaroslavl Oil Refinery, located 700 kilometers from the Ukrainian border.[25] Yaroslavl Oblast Governor Mikhail Evraev claimed on October 1 that the incident is unrelated to a drone attack, and neither Ukrainian nor Russian sources have attributed responsibility for the fire.[26] Rostov Oblast Governor Yuriy Slyusar claimed that a Ukrainian drone strike overnight caused a fire at an industrial facility in Verkhnedonsky Raion, Rostov Oblast, and NASA FIRMS data indicates that there was a fire at the Sukhodolnaya Oil Pumping Station in Rostov Oblast.[27]
Ukraine Uno Reversed Russia, petrostate is now petroneedstate.
Nothing to see here. It’s fake news. russia strong. Resistance is futile… ROFL
Noice
Time to focus on other parts of their infrastructure.
And putin. Someone should take that fuck out.
Not for lack of trying I’m sure, but he’s a paranoid little fucker.
Being such a midget runt, makes him a hard target LOL.
Didn’t he have a bunker somewhere no one know? Unless someone he trusted do it, there’s no way to be close to him to actually do it.
Nah. This works. It’s a good focus to keep.
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From China and Belarus apparently.
