Lol this is so dumb
I’m actually waiting for male birth control pills so bad
They would give men more agency on reproduction, aside from vasectomy, which is permanent, and condoms, which can rip or be intentionally poked.
Also, they can be used in couples where a woman is hesitant to take pills herself, either out of reproductive concerns (fear that pills would make them permanently sterile), or the overall influence of hormones on the body and the menstrual cycle.
Not really…
On the biological level it is trying to stop millions of sperm-cells to sneak in or prevent one egg-cell from being available. In the numbers game it is less risky and more reliable to make the one cell unavailable then to try to prevent the millions from being viable. Even if you shut 99.99% of them down, you still have more risk than having 99.99% chance of preventing the one cell being available.
I’m afraid that however we want the world to be equal for man and women, the biology itself is unfair and needs a lot more time and research if you want to equalize that.
Or use the tie-off snipsnip solution. It is a bit more permanent, but is pretty reliable in preventing.
That’s why I got the chop. Firing blanks for the last year.
What is this weird ass template with the creepy people in the background?
Can’t females develop antibodies that destroy the sperm?
Evolutionary skill issue
Alright men here’s what we do:
1: Once you had your kid(s), if you want to have them someday, get snipped. It’s no big deal and you’ll both be A LOT more relaxed.
2: Don’t be a fucking rapist.
Why tf are we talking about the pills thing.
I’ve never wanted children and got a vasectomy in my early 30s. I think a lot of men don’t do this because they have this cartoonish belief that it makes them less of a man to shoot blanks or the erroneous belief that they’re family lineage is so god damned important that they’re obligated to continue it.
Weird how it seems like it’s all for women and safe sex but then criticizes a tool women have to checks notes take control of their sex lives and make decisions about getting pregnant.
Non-surgical birth control options for women tend to come with a lot of side effects and a number of risks that don’t always outweigh the benefit. Hormonal birth control can cause tons of problems for the women taking them and some of them are associated with life-threatening side effects like increased risk of clotting leading to DVTs, PEs, and strokes.
And it’s their choice to pick that option and it’s not my place to remove that option because I’m done rando on the Internet who thinks he knows better
I’m absolutely not advocating for removing that option. However, increasing the options for male birth control is necessary for a wide variety of reasons, including allowing male partners to take the burden off of their female partner if she isn’t able to tolerate the side effects or can’t find a birth control method that actually works well for her. It is, in effect, another birth control option for women to be able to defer some responsibility to a male partner in a committed relationship.
I just checked and yeah, your comment didn’t say anything about birth control options for men and only talked about the negative effects of the pill.
So you see why one would think that you were trying to say that the birth control pill is a bad thing and that we should remove it.
Yes, and male birth control doesn’t solve these problems because the only way to be 100% sure is to be on birth control yourself, especially important with huge chunks of the US banning abortions
It’s not a great option for more casual encounters or early in relationships, but for established couples that already have children and don’t want more or are in a committed, trusting relationship, male birth control opens the possibility for the male partner to ease the burden of birth control effort and side effects.
I not sure I can impregnate 9 women in a day but I’m willing to participate in a scientific study to find out if anyone is doing that.
For nine months.
starts doing warmup stretches
If you insist.
The only people thinking a man can impregnate 9 women in a day are other men, coz they lie to each other
How does this unscientific instagram vomit has 500 votes on lemmy? Are we turning into reddit?
Those 9 men could prevent women getting pregnant by cumming in me instead.
based
Honey your desperation is showing.
I’m not sure who’s she targeting because I know a lot of guys who would love to have birth control pills.
It ain’t like pharma ain’t been trying to make male birth control pills. Lord knows they’d love the extra money.
But it turns out to be damn difficult to get right.
They have made it. Had human trials with effects that killed the trials.
Most of the men in the trials wanted to keep taking it so their partners didn’t have to bear that burden alone.
Source?
They’re referring to this one back in 2016, where the caveat was that it had the same side effects as women’s birth control. Since the patient being prescribed isn’t the one who will experience negative health outcomes without the medications, the harm of those side effects was deemed by researchers (not the patients themselves) to be greater than the risk of impregnating someone else.
Other hornonal options have come out since then, though not on the consumer market afaik, like this hormonal gel and this pill.
More recently (like earlier this year) its been done without hormones by blocking a vitamin A metabolite that signals the production of sperm.
Did you read the actual study or FDA report as to why they pulled the trial? High school level Americans fall for sensationalized articles and journalists report on things they are clueless about all the time
Idk I was 16 when that came out so actually high school level. Feel free to read the study yourself and correct me? Not sure what you’re skeptical about tbh but the belittling is really uncalled for. You asked for a source and I gave one.
The point of sources is so you can see where the person got their information and personally verify what was said, not to unequivocally prove things true or false based on there being a credible source at all.
Yeah I was kind of an asshole. I’m sorry. I’ll work on that when I have more time to show you.
and no sane woman should believe that, because if she will later find the guy was lying, it is not going to be the guy having to deal with the consequences. so it is quite stupid take.
If you’re having sex with random, unknown, untrusted people, you better use a condom anyway, because pregnancy isn’t the worst thing that can happen, so the point is kinda moot anyway.
not every situation is as extreme as you make it and while you have a point, it doesn’t make mine invalid
No sane person should leave something that important to the sole responsibility of someone else no matter who they are.
Eta: Until I turned 30, everyone I knew who had kids was “on birth control”
What? You could say that when reversed, but until proven otherwise, women have every rights and the power to chose what happens, unlike men who don’t have a say
what?
Who decides if the baby is born? Certainly not the father. And once she has decided it means HE has no choice in the matter.
i have no idea how it relates to what i said.
I don’t know where you live but in the north, women usually control their bodies and may chose to keep the baby or not, regardless of the father’s opinion
i still have no idea what you are trying argue.
I’m not here to hold you by the hand. Try chatgpt
i really do not want to hold your hand. you started talking to me, refused to clarify and you are trying to pretend like you “won”. how was kindergarten today?
Dumb. It’s a lot easier to stop one egg a month, than zillions of sperm multiple times a day. Simple as that.
Not only that, there’s an interruptible cycle of egg release. There’s no regular interruptible cycle in men.
Condoms are a lot cheaper than the pill and don’t come with side effects
Many people of any gender find sex much less enjoyable with a condom.
You know what’s a lot less enjoyable than sex with a condom? Everything it prevents
Sure but you can’t argue that Condoms don’t have side effects when the clear and obvious side effect is that sex is less enjoyable.
I find sex less enjoyable with a condom. Im still able to have a good time NOT getting pregnant.
Condoms are horrible for birth control though.
Based on what?
Science and Statistics.
A 15% failure rate counts as “horrible” in my book.
So you picked the local stat that makes your case instead of the 98% effective against unplanned pregnancy when used as directed cited by the World Health Organization and everyone else on the planet. What your NHS statistic proves is that without sex education, condoms are less effective. What does that not apply to?
No, the same study that said “when used as directed,” also pointed out “real world practice,” and that’s what I quoted, because most of us, myself included, live in the real world, so that’s the statistic that is most relevant. The other statistic is going to get people pregnant.
My car’s manufacturer tells me that my car will get 30 miles a gallon. It gets about 24. If I ignore my gas gauge, and calculate my gas milage based on the manufacturer’s claims, I’m going to be sitting on the side of the highway, waiting for AAA. If you rely solely on condoms for birth control, you will get pregnant.
Real world is the only thing that matters.
Well, the pill’s effectiveness also depends on using it correctly. So the point is a bit mood, isn’t it?
So don’t use one. Happy father’s day.
And everybody DESPISES them.
Besides, they aren’t very good at either birth control or preventing disease, and they are the most effective anti-sex invention ever.
And everybody DESPISES them.
That would be wildly incorrect
Not if ya snip snip
Exactly. In the case of men, that has turned out to be the most effective method in blocking a literal flood of sperm.
People claim that men wouldn’t use a daily pill, but guys don’t want their women getting pregnant any more than the women do, at least not until they are ready. If it existed, most guys would gladly take a pill that would keep them from 18 years of child support, just like most women do. In fact, having double contraception would reduce unwanted pregnancies significantly, which would also reduce the abortion rate, which might help bringing down the political temperature a bit (no, it won’t).
It’s not us men resisting male contraception, most of us would love it. It’s just not mechanically as easy to do for men as it is for women. It’s a science problem, not a market segment problem. Make it, and there will be customers for it.
Not everything is a conspiracy against women
It’s less of a conspiracy and more that it didn’t even occur to society until pretty recently (in historical terms) that reproduction isn’t solely a woman’s responsibility
Well yes. But it also occured to society that stopping 1 egg per month is easier than millions of sperm every day.
This sounds like it would make sense on the surface, but is just not true. You can look up pretty easily that there wasn’t really any research on the viability of male hormonal birth control until half a century after female hormonal birth control became a thing, so it’s not like they made a rational decision based on scientific findings. When they found out how to do it for men, it was roughly comparably complicated, with similar side effects. This too is easy to look up.
It makes sense that the side effects were too much to legalize hormonal male birth control because today’s standards are much higher. Which is a good thing ofc- im glad they don’t allow new medication as easily as they did in the past. Female birth control wouldn’t be legalized if it was invented today, and neither would, for example, aspirin. They get to stay around because they don’t take that stuff back out usually, even if it wouldn’t pass modern standards. That’s a bit of a tangent though.
Many men would LOVE a reliable, non-condom, male-controlled birth control method
Currently for men there are two options — condoms, which are problematic and difficult in several ways, or vasectomy, which is essentially permanent or at least difficult and uncertain to be reversed.
The third method is to take WAY too many TOO HOT baths, but that also has uncertainty and is a real hassle.
As it stands, really for men they either need to use a condom, or trust that your female partner is reliable.
100% agree. The fact that they’re only researching it now has been hurting everyone involved.
Is that why men have been wrapping their dicks in all sorts of weird shit for thousands of years? Animal intestines and bladders to name but a few. Fuck your “in historical terms”, youre talking out of your arse, just like every other sexist who makes hating men part of their personality.
Why is everyone in this thread acting like men are always the ones providing and insisting on using barrier methods? Have yall talked to a woman who’s had casual sex before about what it’s like out there?
Yes, men AND women are both taking responsibility. Just because you can point to few cases of morons, doesnt make “women are sluts who use abortion as birth control” anymore true than the bullshit youre pedalling. But nice try, trying to get out of the “historical terms” bullshit, but shifting the focus to modern day… Doesnt at all make you look desperate to be right, regardless of facts…
Theres bad apples in every bunch. Only a bigot tries to frame that bad apple as the whole bunch.
Ok I’ll ignore the name calling one last time.
I’ll put it super simply, in the hope that you misunderstanding me wasn’t as intentional as it comes across
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barrier methods have always been, and continue to be, a shared responsibility
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all other non-permanent methods have been purely on women until very recently.
Ignore whatever the fuck you like. Youre bigoted cunt, and thats all there is to it. You dont like being called out? Have you tried, not being a perpetually online sexist piece of shit? Fuck you.
Can you please point out the thing I said that you consider sexist, and why? I’m striving not to be, and like to learn where I can.
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You say that as if women haven’t been treated like property in nearly every society ever since we learned how to farm
This is one of the dumbest wagons to hitch that argument to in particular.
