• Thorry84@feddit.nl
    171·
    26 days ago

    I recently put in a lot of hours for a software system to be able to handle webp just as well as every other image format it already accepted. I put in a lot of work as well. Hadn’t heard about it for a while, but saw the feature release statement for the new version I knew my changes were in. It wasn’t on there. So I reached out to my contact and asked if there was an issue or did it get bumped to a later version or what? So she told me the marketing team that do the release statements decided not to include it. They stated for one, people already expect common formats to be handled. Saying you now handle a format looks bad, since people know you didn’t handle it before and were behind the curve. The second (probably more important) reason was nobody knew what webp even was and it’s only something technical people care about (they probably said nerds, but my contact translated). So no regular customer would be interested and it could only lead to confusion and questions.

    I hope somebody is happy with the work I put in tho. Somebody is going to drag a webp into the system and have it be accepted. Someday… I hope…

    • _stranger_@lemmy.world
      1135·
      26 days ago
      1. Fuck those people for telling you this after you did the work
      2. Those reasons are hard-stop stupid. If they REALLY cared about the marketing they’d release it silently or add a “improvements to image format handling” line and leave it at that.
      • Thorry84@feddit.nl
        60·
        24 days ago

        Maybe I worded it incorrectly. The feature was released in that version. They just didn’t mention it in the release statement they put out to their customers. I’m sure there’s some changelog somewhere people can dig into where it says something like what you mentioned. Or it can just be under “Various small improvements” which they always add as a catch-all.

        So I’m happy, I did the job and got paid. Everyone I worked with was happy. And the feature got released. It’s was just a let down it didn’t get mentioned at all, even though I put quite a lot of work into it.

      • jj4211@lemmy.world
        10·
        25 days ago

        I will second the suggestion at something like “expanded support for more image formats”. One of my responsibilities is rolling the development log into customer release notes and I agree with the “changes that highlight a previous shortcoming can look bad”, and make accommodations for that all the time. I also try to make sure every developer that contributed can recognize their work in the release notes.

        “Expanded image format support” seems like something that if a customer hasn’t noticed, they would assume “oh they must have some customer with a weird proprietary format that they added but have to be vague about”. If it were related to customer requests, I would email the specific customers highlighting their need for webp is addressed after pushing the release notes

    • Lemminary@lemmy.world
      21·
      26 days ago

      I hope somebody is happy with the work I put in tho. Somebody is going to drag a webp into the system and have it be accepted.

      And that was me! I mean, not with your software but with someone else’s years ago. Still, in a weird anachronistic karma sort of way, thank you for caring.

    • lostbit@feddit.nlEnglish
      2·
      25 days ago

      a bit related.

      Was working for a comparison engine. Back in the day things where slow. But i made it lightning fast. Pretty proud.

      Untill a few weeks later the manager comes up, and tells me to make it SLOWER!

      apparently users thought it was suss that it was so fast and the results therefore where fake…

    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
      1·
      25 days ago

      That marketing team is a bunch of absolute morons. Handling Webp would have made the comapny trendsetters.

      • saltesc@lemmy.world
        14·
        25 days ago

        Wait till you find out what’s inside when you change Office files from .***x to .zip

    • randomname@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      25 days ago

      Why does this even work though? WEBP and PNG are very different file formats yet for some reason this has always worked for me as well. Is windows automatically converting the files? I haven’t checked if changing the file extension changes the file size.

      • odelik@lemmy.today
        6·
        25 days ago

        WebP is an extended container around the RIFF file format, and contains the RIFF header info. So any container that is built off RIFF, or supports RIFF, can at least interpret the container data that is RIFF compatible and will lose anything that has been extended upon.

    • Ben Hur Horse Race@lemm.ee
      18·
      26 days ago

      i have a “save webp as” firefox extension that is good as well… sorry no link Im too busy

      peace and love peace and love

        • Ben Hur Horse Race@lemm.ee
          3·
          26 days ago
          spoiler

          yes… well, its about this guy, you know? his name is ben hur, and his childhood friend from rome comes back to and ben hur wont help him take over his homeland. then tiles fall off of this roof and then the roman guy uses it as an excuse to jail ben hur’s sister and mother to get him to help, but it only makes him freak out. so, he gets consigned to a slave ship where there’s a battle and he saves his captor’s life, which endears him to his captor, so the captor takes him back to rome where he ranks up a bit and has high status as a horse racer in the colosseum. ben hur leaves to go find his old roman buddy and take revenge, and he meets this arab horse trainer (played horribly embarrassingly by a white dude in brown face) and they make friends. ben hur goes back and basically fucks his old slave woman, then challenges the roman dude in a massive horse race where he basically kills him. turns out all this time the mother and sister were in prison they contracted leprosy, so ben hur goes and gets them from the leper colony. jesus is crucified nearby and his blood drips off the cross and cures the mother and sister of leprosy.

          its three and a half hours long. its super campy and over-acted. it used to be on tv when my wife was a kid and now we get high and watch it around easter. its fuckin hysterical…

        • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
          4·
          25 days ago

          It’s a format meant for web browsers. If you want your web browser to ignore performance and focus on universally reusable images, I guess. But that’s me making leaps not in the “meme”

  • StarMerchant938@lemmy.world
    60·
    26 days ago

    As someone who sometimes needs a quick and dirty stock image for my work, webp is the bane of my existence. The work computers won’t let me visit sites or install programs/extensions to convert the image, and my document processing programs have no fucking clue what to do with the format. There is an option in Microsoft edge to edit image, and it will dump the result as a .png which is the only workaround I’ve found.

    • zqps@sh.itjust.works
      18·
      26 days ago

      I run Firefox portable with the extension “Save webp as PNG or JPEG”. It has a button to copy directly to clipboard in the format of your choice.

      • Decq@lemmy.world
        2·
        25 days ago

        So much this. I’ve completely forgotten about this issue since I’ve installed that extension.

      • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
        2·
        25 days ago

        I usually screenshot it in place with alt-print screen, paste it into paint, crop it to size, and save

    • edgemaster72@lemmy.world
      English
      4·
      26 days ago

      When I save as an image and it comes up as webp I just change the extension dropdown to all files and change the extension to .png in the filename box, hasn’t failed for me yet

      • Hoimo@ani.social
        1·
        25 days ago

        Does that actually change the file, or will it still break when your software can’t handle webp? Because I did that to a webp, but Firefox still shows it’s a webp (in the tab name), probably based on magic byte. I don’t have any viewers that can’t display webp though, and I think they’re all smart enough to go by magic byte.

        • edgemaster72@lemmy.world
          English
          1·
          25 days ago

          To be honest I don’t know enough about the file types to answer that, but I can confirm at least that a .png I saved from a .webp also says webp image when hovering over the tab if I open it in Firefox.

  • manxu@piefed.socialEnglish
    501·
    26 days ago

    The funniest thing is that even some of Google’s own products don’t accept Webp, like Google Voice.

    • bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      5·
      25 days ago

      Shhhh just be happy Google Voice still exists, and isn’t in the graveyard. Personally I’d take RCS over webp in Google Voice.

      • manxu@piefed.socialEnglish
        3·
        25 days ago

        I feel with you. The product idea is awesome, the implementation is so-so, and progress is backwards. It’s heart-breaking, really, and so sad nobody has a real alternative.

      • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
        32·
        26 days ago

        webp is completely supported by browsers I think now.

        Websites still get weird about it.

        JXL is supported by Safari and ummmmm mobile Safari.

          • GamingChairModel@lemmy.world
            1·
            25 days ago

            It’s worth pointing out that browser support is a tiny, but important, part of overall ecosystem support.

            TIFF is the dominant standard for certain hardware and processes for digitizing physical documents, or publishing/printing digital files as physical prints. But most browsers don’t bother supporting displaying TIFF, because that’s not a good format for web use.

            Note also that non-backwards-compatible TIFF extensions are usually what cameras capture as “raw” image data and what image development software stores as “digital negatives.”

            JPEG XL is trying to replace TIFF at the interface between the physical analog world and the digital files we use to represent that image data. I’m watching this space in particular, because the original web generation formats of JPEG, PNG, and GIF (and newer web-oriented formats like webp and avif) aren’t trying to do anything with physical sensors, scans, prints, etc.

            Meanwhile, JPEG XL is trying to replace JPEG on the web, with photographic images compressed with much more efficient and much higher quality compression. And it’s trying to replace PNG for lossless compression.

            It’s trying to do it all, so watching to see where things get adopted and supported will be interesting. Apple appears to be going all in on JXL, from browser support to file manager previews to actual hardware sensors storing raw image data in JXL. Adobe supports it, too, so we might start to see full JXL workflows from image capture to postprocessing to digital/web publishing to full blown paper/print publishing.

        • Jeeve65@ttrpg.network
          4·
          25 days ago

          webp is not fully supported by safari and webview on iOS; they cannot export images as image/webp using the toDataUrl or toBlob from a canvas element

    • Dr. Moose@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      25 days ago

      .jxl is still early. Webp is out for 14 years now and if support is missing its completely on the ineptitude of the client and nothing else.

  • Fiona@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    422·
    25 days ago

    webp is absofuckinglutely inferior to JPEG-XL and that one is where you actually have that problem. I’m literally providing an avif-fallback on my website, because otherwise pretty much no browser would support anything.

    (Speaking of it, avif is also superior to webp.)

  • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    24·
    25 days ago

    for my use cases of memes or a PowerPoint type thing once in a while for school. Literally any image format works for me. I don’t care about quality (as long as it’s not REALLY bad) and just want to get the image from Google to the PowerPoint, and somehow GOOGLES own image format fails to work for GOOGLES PowerPoint product.
    I don’t understand how you can not support your own format 10 years after it came out.

    pro tip by the way, you can open it in Microsoft paint then “save as -> .PNG” to get Google slides/whatever to accept it.

    (before someone recommends alternatives, im talking about use on a locked down school computer. I can’t use alternative software that’s better because they block images in WIKIPEDIA, no shot for using an actual foss software lmao)

    • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.worldEnglish
      111·
      25 days ago

      use on a locked down school computer.

      Shift + Win + S

      I’ll bet they didn’t disable that in Group Policy. Lasso that sumbitch right off your screen and then just paste it into whatever.

      • Liz@midwest.socialEnglish
        6·
        25 days ago

        Paint trick would leave the option for higher quality, a screen grab leaves you at screen grab resolution.

        • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          25 days ago

          True, but I’ll wager most of the things people are filching for these purposes get displayed on the screen at 100% scale anyway. Unless you’re sniping a picture for large format print, in which case I figure you’d probably be under less restrictive conditions… Hopefully.

    • Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca
      2·
      25 days ago

      You don’t even have to open it in Microsoft paint, you can just save it as a new format from the standard image viewer software.

    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
      1·
      25 days ago

      Plus, it makes a bunch of users resort to adding extensions to their browser such as

      “Save webP as PNG or JPEG 1.5.4”

      which is fine but absolutely not as secure as without extensions.

  • Noxy@pawb.socialEnglish
    16·
    25 days ago

    fucking Telegram automatically converts any webp sent in a message to a fucking sticker

    I didn’t want that. I want the ability to view the image, including zooming in and panning, and telegram forcing it into a sticker kills that completely

  • Rokin@lemm.eeEnglish
    259·
    26 days ago

    No webp for me, just because Google is pushig it and that is suspect.

    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
      11·
      26 days ago

      Lol it’s like 10 years old at this point. Not sure they’re pushing it anymore. I think files that are half the size sell themselves

  • gleb@lemmy.world
    141·
    25 days ago

    in my honest opinion, it’s a real shame that webp isn’t widely supported. it’s actually really great: it has awesome lossless compression, it’s so much smaller than a png while not losing any quality, it supports animation and loops, etc. it’s like jpg, png, and gif rolled into one format.